A different view

[BFG]

GS thankyou for the offer, however there is a Christian 'scientist' centre just around the corner from where i live and although at the moment i don't have the time or desire to really investigate or sit through hours of video's i will turn to them if and when i need more info, afterall you've helped so much talking about it it saves me the effort!

But i felt my last post got a bit overlooked, and somewhere theres a point i was quite proud off!

Christian Scientists have a pre-set agenda, to find scientific backing for what is written in the bible. - what would have happened if they had turned around and said "oh bugger, erm it dosn't really seem very logical im afraid, we can't really prove it with science" ... it wouldn't really happen would it.

Darwin had no agenda, he was simply seeking to understand how things worked. To be honest i like to keep science and religion separate - just as i believe government and religion should be kept separate.

Religion and science do not mix - creating a 'scientific' explanation for the events in the bible does not give it any validity, in fact in these cases i rather think it does the opposite.

Lets not forget a lot of prominent Scientists in history have been christians. however their primary goal was science, not religion. they were seeking to understand the world they livid in, not seeking to create science that made the world appear as their religion saw fit. there is a immense difference!

But with Christian Scientists the "how" is explained? Well Not so long ago Christian / Christian scientists believed the world was flat, they believed that the sun traveled around the earth... they had no knowledge of this, no real evidence of any form they simply used science to try to embed their beliefs... it didn't last. While i respect your beliefs as a christian, i struggle with where you attempt to use science to ground your faith.....for me faith is just that, faith, a belief nothing more.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I'll sum all that up real quick for you...the Christian scientists I'm referring to are not mainstream Christians...like Catholics or something.  They are a small group of scientists that are studying how the earth came to be, and have been doing this for only the last 20-30 years or so.  Also, they set out the way they did for Christians, not to try and convert those non-believers.  This was just to give the people that have the faith that these things happened some proof for their faith and beliefs.

[DarK.]

GS Im sorry, but if these guys try to tell me that Dino's were all herbavoirs, and that humans  and dino's coexisted then Fred Flinstone and Dino should be fossilized right next to each other due to the giant water pressure that caused dino fossils but not human. 

I guess I just need to see your tapes before passing any more judgement, I await the arrival of these tapes so that I can study them in more detail.  Be prepared for me to comment on them when I do watch them.

for now...

Dark. out.

[bronto]

i'm sure jesus would let the agnostics roll with him in 2012 right?

[DarK.]

GS did the dino's go on the ark?  That would be a hell of alot more animals to fit on the ark, if noah didnt leave them all do drown.

[bronto]

never read the bible but how the hell did noah coax those angry lions and tigers and elephants on the boat?

[Mr.Mellow]

Well, what I want to know, is that how did Noah get 2 of every species on his boat, and then distribute them to the proper continents afterwards?

[BFG]

... Just don't ask about the fish, the dinosaur fish i mean. no change in pressure for them thereofore they don't suffer the same apparent fate as the others... so we should still have a prehistoric 'dinosaur' aquatic sealife...  hmm

[DarK.]

BFG, nessie owns you... Go loch ness monster!

[BFG]

While im at it... Ghostsniper when we were talking before about believing what the bible says literally there was something i meant to ask you..

Do you read Aramaic? The bible wasn't originally written in english, its been translated from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English... Do you believe that the translations over four languages have been totally exact and precise?

I doubt it - well i know they havn't, theres a passage in the old testament where a translation error meant that Moses apparently had horns!

One last thing. Christianity is a faith, a religion, its about believing in god etc. So why is there a need to try and validate this in the realm of science and logic by creating theories to back up these faiths? There is nothing to prove because by the very nature of 'faith' its a believe - and by its own nature cannot be 'proved'

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Do you read Aramaic? The bible wasn't originally written in english, its been translated from Aramaic to Greek to Latin to English... Do you believe that the translations over four languages have been totally exact and precise?

Nope, but as precise as they can be.

One last thing. Christianity is a faith, a religion, its about believing in god etc. So why is there a need to try and validate this in the realm of science and logic by creating theories to back up these faiths? There is nothing to prove because by the very nature of 'faith' its a believe - and by its own nature cannot be 'proved'

They are trying to prove that the general history of this planet happened differently than what mainstream science teaches us.  They are not trying necessarily to boost people's faith...faith is simply the part that says you believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that he died for all of mankind to free them from hell.

Sorry I havn't been able to answer everyone's questions in the last couple of days...I've been really busy with work.