A different view

[BTs_GhostSniper]

And also, about the bible, do you believe everything that's written in it?

I mean there are some very nasty guidelines written there, like, "If you work on sunday you should be stoned to death". And if you don't believe everything, how do you choose what to believe and what not?

I believe everything.  But one thing you have to remember is this:  Much of the "old law" written in the Old Testament of the Bible was replaced by the New Testament of the Bible, which occurred after the birth of Jesus.  Because Jesus died for all mankind, he washed away the old laws which required blood sacrifices, and many other strange things that don't make much sense these days.  By the way, Sunday is not the "Sabbeth".  Saturday is (bet you didn't know that).

Who did the family mate with after the ark landed?

This one I'm just sincerely intrested about, does the bible suggest that the entire human race is a bunch of inbreds?

The group of people on the Ark were Noah's extended family...not all blood related to him.  If memory serves me, it was something like 8 or 10 people, which was made up of Noah and his wife, along with several of Noah's children and their spouses.  So you have several different family groups that re-populated the earth.

I realize this is starting to stray from the orginial topic and resemble a cross-examination, but it's so rarely you get a chance to talk to people with a such strong conviction as GS, and I too find these sort of dicsussions fascinating. Maybe there should be a "GS's religious advice thread" 

I don't mind answering anything you guys ask.  I'm an encyclopedia of information on everything from religion to politics to the military.  And cars.


Edited for accuracy.
-Lone


lol...yes, and cars! 

[Toxic::Joka]

I appreciate you taking the time to reply, I hope you can manage through a few more.

And also, about the bible, do you believe everything that's written in it?

I mean there are some very nasty guidelines written there, like, "If you work on sunday you should be stoned to death". And if you don't believe everything, how do you choose what to believe and what not?

I believe everything.  But one thing you have to remember is this:  Much of the "old law" written in the Old Testament of the Bible was replaced by the New Testament of the Bible, which occurred after the b redden if it's obsolete?irth of Jesus.  Because Jesus died for all mankind, he washed away the old laws which required blood sacrifices, and many other strange things that don't make much sense these days.  By the way, Sunday is not the "Sabbeth".  Saturday is (bet you didn't know that).

So basically you only believe the New Testament? When I say "believe" I also ment to include "live by", I formulated it rather clumsy. Why is the Old Testament even redden if it's so obsolete?

Who did the family mate with after the ark landed?

This one I'm just sincerely intrested about, does the bible suggest that the entire human race is a bunch of inbreds?

The group of people on the Ark were Noah's extended family...not all blood related to him.  If memory serves me, it was something like 8 or 10 people, which was made up of Noah and his wife, along with several of Noah's children and their spouses.  So you have several different family groups that re-populated the earth.

Well technically we're all still inbreds since all offspring would be cousins to each other at the very least. Amazing how humanity has survived despite all the deficits related with inbreeding.

One more related with the flood

God created rainbows as a token of his promise to never flood the earth again. Do you believe that rainbows existed before God made his promise, or did God change the laws of physics? Do you believe that rainbows are a result of water refracting light?

And finally, how old do you think the earth is?
 

[BTs_GhostSniper]

So basically you only believe the New Testament? When I say "believe" I also ment to include "live by", I formulated it rather clumsy. Why is the Old Testament even redden if it's so obsolete?

Yes, we only live by the New Testament, for the most part.  But much of the New Testament refers back to principles that we are to live by from the Old Testament, such as the 10 Comandments.  The Old Testament is also a great source of information on ancient history.

Well technically we're all still inbreds since all offspring would be cousins to each other at the very least. Amazing how humanity has survived despite all the deficits related with inbreeding.

One more related with the flood

God created rainbows as a token of his promise to never flood the earth again. Do you believe that rainbows existed before God made his promise, or did God change the laws of physics? Do you believe that rainbows are a result of water refracting light?

And finally, how old do you think the earth is?

Yes, we are sorta inbred...lol.

As for rainbows, no...there were no rainbows before the flood because it never rained before the flood.  As I said earlier, there was a firmament made up of ice on top of the earth's atmosphere at that time which kept the air pressure at sea level at 32 lbs per square inch.  This increased atmospheric pressure, along with increased oxygen levels and increased humidity, allowed the earth to flourish without it ever having to actually rain.  It wasn't until this firmament fell to earth as the first rain that we first had rainbows.

The earth is probably no more than 10,000 years old.  That's from the day God created it, through the time of the great flood and into recent history.  10,000 years, tops.  Much of the erosion and so called "evolution" is simply the result of the flood.  Fossilized dinosaur bones are the result of the great water pressure levels that were put upon the earth while the entire planet was literally under water.  There are places where fossilized dinosaur tracks are found in the same area as fossilized human footprints...but scientists discount these findings because they don't go along with what they think.

[BFG]

The earth is probably no more than 10,000 years old.  That's from the day God created it, through the time of the great flood and into recent history.  10,000 years, tops.  Much of the erosion and so called "evolution" is simply the result of the flood.  Fossilized dinosaur bones are the result of the great water pressure levels that were put upon the earth while the entire planet was literally under water.  There are places where fossilized dinosaur tracks are found in the same area as fossilized human footprints...but scientists discount these findings because they don't go along with what they think.

Im not quite sure what to say in response to that... im really not. In fact i can't keep up with this all, we could have 15 topics 20 pages long and still not cover all ths stuff.

Can i just touch on the rest of the sola system then and a few other little things, like the galaxy, the sun, the fact that christianity used to believe that the sun rotated around the earth.... whats your take on that? whats your feelings towards other forms of life else where in the galexy, did god make the whole lot, and um... why?!

[Toxic::Joka]

As for rainbows, no...there were no rainbows before the flood because it never rained before the flood.  As I said earlier, there was a firmament made up of ice on top of the earth's atmosphere at that time which kept the air pressure at sea level at 32 lbs per square inch.  This increased atmospheric pressure, along with increased oxygen levels and increased humidity, allowed the earth to flourish without it ever having to actually rain.  It wasn't until this firmament fell to earth as the first rain that we first had rainbows.

Yes, but rainbows aren't only visible during rain, you can also see rainbows by waterfalls or geysers i.e. anywhere where there are small water particles.
What would I have seen if I had observed a waterfall before the flood?

[BFG]

What would I have seen if I had observed a waterfall before the flood?

Well apparently it didn't rain so... um surely no waterfalls?? Actually what about the whole weather system then!!

[Toxic::Joka]

What would I have seen if I had observed a waterfall before the flood?

Well apparently it didn't rain so... um surely no waterfalls?? Actually what about the whole weather system then!!

Well a geyser then 

Or if they didn't exist either, if I blew water from my mouth at a high velocity.
(The key is to blow the water out as if you were playing a trumpet, "farting" with your mouth, making it disperse in to a cloud.)

[BTs_GhostSniper]

The reason you would not have seen rainbows before the flood is that the firmament above the earth (all that mass of ice), did block out some of the sunlight coming to the earth.  Because of this, you didn't have quite the bright light coming through that would have given you a rainbow.  Yes, the entire weather on the earth would have been completely alien to what we have today.

For BFG...at the same time God created the earth, he also created the galaxies, the solar system, etc.  As for other forms of life, who knows?  God doesn't mention it, but it doesn't mean he didn't put other groups of people in other places.

It's kinda neat to get into the Christian Science area...there is an explanation for all of the things mainstream science has been preaching for years.

[DarK.]

The earth is probably no more than 10,000 years old.  That's from the day God created it, through the time of the great flood and into recent history.  10,000 years, tops.  Much of the erosion and so called "evolution" is simply the result of the flood.  Fossilized dinosaur bones are the result of the great water pressure levels that were put upon the earth while the entire planet was literally under water.  There are places where fossilized dinosaur tracks are found in the same area as fossilized human footprints...but scientists discount these findings because they don't go along with what they think.[/color][/size]

GS, this is where I throw up a flag,  I have been a christian, sunday going person forever, but this 10000 year thing is radical.  Explain Dinosaurs please(more)?  Explain all the different types of humans, our extensive dating(as in "this animal is 1 million years old) systems?  Scientifically proven with radioactive Decay,  The world isnt 10,000 years old.

But, to back up the christianity bible statements,  God made the world in seven days... right?  Now, this may seem extreme, but what if gods seven days and our seven days have a slightly different time frame (say billions of years).  Just because the bible says it, doesnt mean that it is true, Paul (saul) was extremely against the rights of women, but he wrote most of the books in the New Testament (the letters, and a few others)  But nowadays what do we see?  Women in public offices, voting, holding offices at church (Oh no, paul just turned over in his grave)  Some of the things in the bible are crazy to us today, but at the time were socially acceptable.

GS where did you read this ICE theory?  Because this is the crazies thing I have ever heard.  Please tell me where in the bible, the earth's moisture level was regulated by a big ass sheet of ice?

Also, what do you say to the rivers, lakes and oceans that need the water cycle to keep regulated?  Were they completely different, did god just change how the earth worked all together?

Ghost sniper, we have bible writings from pre Noah, so where are the mentionings of Dinosaurs, Im sorry But I just cant believe that Adam, or Moses, or any other Old testament guru would not mention this huge ass dino that just ate half his flock of sheep.  They talk about David in the lions den, not david in the veloca raptor den... I refuse to believe that dino's and humans ever walked the planet at the same time, give me cold hard evidence that they did please.

Meh, I would post more, but I must go to work.

Dark.

[BFG]

i have to sleep but....

So god created the whole damn caboodle. Since we're being all scientific, um out of what?
Whats the deal with Carbon Dating then

The reason you would not have seen rainbows before the flood is that the firmament above the earth (all that mass of ice), did block out some of the sunlight coming to the earth.  Because of this, you didn't have quite the bright light coming through that would have given you a rainbow.

Ahh, by heck thats handy! I must confess i was just starting to doubt the ICE theory but that explains it... it was the wrong kind of light... ?!?

Im sure you have heard of the famous psychologist called Sigmun Freud, and how his theories were self contained - the theory could not be disproved, because the dis-approval of that theory is part of the theory (dunno if that makes sence to u, any psychology students whill know what the hell im in-effectivly trying to say)  but it all seems pretty familiar with this.

At the same time God created the earth, he also created the galaxies, the solar system, etc.

Does it say so in the bible - and how do we know, actually guess ii should say rather how do u believe the bible came into existence? Did god write it or was it written by followers etc, in which case how do they know he created it all... 

My god i have more questions than freaking parliament question time after everyones found out the PM has been sleeping with a orangutan, but i have to ask, what shape or form do you belive this 'god' actually is?

Please tell me where in the bible, the earth's moisture level was regulated by a big ass sheet of ice?.....
.....  They talk about David in the lions den, not david in the veloca raptor den

Congratulations dark i've just pissed my self laughing, brilliant!

[BTs_GhostSniper]

GS, this is where I throw up a flag,  I have been a christian, sunday going person forever, but this 10000 year thing is radical.  Explain Dinosaurs please(more)?  Explain all the different types of humans, our extensive dating(as in "this animal is 1 million years old) systems?  Scientifically proven with radioactive Decay,  The world isnt 10,000 years old.

Okay, dinosaurs and people walked the earth at the same time...they were created when God created all of the animals on the earth in the Book of Genesis.  Carbon dating/radioactive decay and the like are simply fooled because under the extreme pressures of the deep ocean (the whole of earth was under water during the great flood, remember), everything was fossilized and carbonized.  Really screwes with current technology a great bit.  The reason you have what appears to be different human species is simple as well...same with all animal life on earth.  Before the flood, the atmosphere was like a hyperbolic chamber...it is proven that life inside a chamber at 32 lbs per square inch grows at incredable rates, grows much larger than normal, and also lives incredably long.  This is why you had giants of humans before the flood and why they lived so long (many over 900 years).  Also, under this air pressure, guess what happens?  Animals become docile.  That's right...meat eating animals suddenly don't want to eat you anymore.  They were all vegetarians before the flood.

But, to back up the christianity bible statements,  God made the world in seven days... right?  Now, this may seem extreme, but what if gods seven days and our seven days have a slightly different time frame (say billions of years).  Just because the bible says it, doesnt mean that it is true, Paul (saul) was extremely against the rights of women, but he wrote most of the books in the New Testament (the letters, and a few others)  But nowadays what do we see?  Women in public offices, voting, holding offices at church (Oh no, paul just turned over in his grave)  Some of the things in the bible are crazy to us today, but at the time were socially acceptable.

The Bible teaches that women should remain silent only in church.  Not in any other area.  The reason for this is because it was woman who led man into sin by getting Adam to partake of the forbidden fruit.  As for man, he was also driven from the lush Garden of Eden.  And as for the 7 day thing...I believe he did create the world and everything else in 7 real 24-hour days.

GS where did you read this ICE theory?  Because this is the crazies thing I have ever heard.  Please tell me where in the bible, the earth's moisture level was regulated by a big ass sheet of ice?

The explanation for this comes from the Christian scientists who have studied the Bible and instead of trying to figure up something new like "the theory of evolution", they started with what the Bible says first and tried to find out how in nature that could have been.  So they backwards analized everything and decided that the firmament mentioned in Genesis had to be what kept things the way they were before the flood, and that it falling as rain had to be what caused the great flood.  They even have an explanation for how God went about causing it to break up and fall as rain...they believe God allowed a huge solar flare from the sun to destroy it.

Also, what do you say to the rivers, lakes and oceans that need the water cycle to keep regulated?  Were they completely different, did god just change how the earth worked all together?

With the falling of the firmament, it did indeed change the way the earth worked forever.  By the way, in Revelation it states that before Jesus can return for his 1,000-year reign after the tribulation, the firmament will have to be put back in place just as it was before the flood.  The Christian scientists have determined that it would be possible for God to recreate the firmament by allowing another huge solar flare, similar to the one that wiped it out...this solar flare would be more powerful than one-million hydrogen bombs and would literally vaporize all the water on earth, spew it into the atmosphere, and reform the firmament surrounding the earth.  Pretty neat stuff.

Ghost sniper, we have bible writings from pre Noah, so where are the mentionings of Dinosaurs, Im sorry But I just cant believe that Adam, or Moses, or any other Old testament guru would not mention this huge ass dino that just ate half his flock of sheep.  They talk about David in the lions den, not david in the veloca raptor den... I refuse to believe that dino's and humans ever walked the planet at the same time, give me cold hard evidence that they did please.

You have to remember that the dinosaurs would have only been around during the time before the flood, which happened very early in the Book of Genesis...therefore most of the Bible was after the flood.  The dinosaurs died off after the flood as I previously mentioned, because they could not reproduce at the reduced oxygen levels in the atmosphere with the new lower air pressures.  And the dinosaurs would not have eaten anyone's sheep...they were all vegetarians.  That's right, T-Rex only ate plants!  And your cold hard evidence can be found in areas where you find dinosaur tracks fossilized...right next to human footprints.  These have actually been found but are refuted by mainstream science because it doesn't fit into what they believe.

[DarK.]

I want you all to know Im not bashing or critisizing what GS is saying, just challenging it[/size]

Okay, dinosaurs and people walked the earth at the same time...they were created when God created all of the animals on the earth in the Book of Genesis.  Carbon dating/radioactive decay and the like are simply fooled because under the extreme pressures of the deep ocean (the whole of earth was under water during the great flood, remember), everything was fossilized and carbonized.  Really screwes with current technology a great bit.  The reason you have what appears to be different human species is simple as well...same with all animal life on earth.  Before the flood, the atmosphere was like a hyperbolic chamber...it is proven that life inside a chamber at 32 lbs per square inch grows at incredable rates, grows much larger than normal, and also lives incredably long.  This is why you had giants of humans before the flood and why they lived so long (many over 900 years).  Also, under this air pressure, guess what happens?  Animals become docile.  That's right...meat eating animals suddenly don't want to eat you anymore.  They were all vegetarians before the flood.

Ok, firstly I dont care how much water was on those fossils, it would not alter the carbon in the bones halflife.  No No No it wouldnt. 

Secondly, current plant eating animals dont have all sharp gangly teeth like a T-Rex... so explain the need for these teeth if the animals are docile and dont fight or eat each other.

Thirdly, if things are docile then why was the flood necessary in the first place?  God's creation was killing itself and all of them were adulterers and drunkards, if they were docile would this be a problem?

The Bible teaches that women should remain silent only in church.  Not in any other area.  The reason for this is because it was woman who led man into sin by getting Adam to partake of the forbidden fruit.  As for man, he was also driven from the lush Garden of Eden.  And as for the 7 day thing...I believe he did create the world and everything else in 7 real 24-hour days.

No, in the new testament Paul is extremely anti-female's not just in church but in everyday life.

GS where did you read this ICE theory?  Because this is the crazies thing I have ever heard.  Please tell me where in the bible, the earth's moisture level was regulated by a big ass sheet of ice?

The explanation for this comes from the Christian scientists who have studied the Bible and instead of trying to figure up something new like "the theory of evolution", they started with what the Bible says first and tried to find out how in nature that could have been.  So they backwards analized everything and decided that the firmament mentioned in Genesis had to be what kept things the way they were before the flood, and that it falling as rain had to be what caused the great flood.  They even have an explanation for how God went about causing it to break up and fall as rain...they believe God allowed a huge solar flare from the sun to destroy it.

This is sketchy at best, link me to your sources, because I have never heard of this.  And this is still a lot of guess work on these "scientists" parts, deciding that the firmament is a big ass peice of ass is a bit odd dont you think?

fir·ma·ment (fûr'm?-m?nt)
n.
The vault or expanse of the heavens; the sky.

  for those of you like me who didnt know the exact definition of firmament.

What if firmament was the Ozone GS?  Food for thought.

Also, what do you say to the rivers, lakes and oceans that need the water cycle to keep regulated?  Were they completely different, did god just change how the earth worked all together?

With the falling of the firmament, it did indeed change the way the earth worked forever.  By the way, in Revelation it states that before Jesus can return for his 1,000-year reign after the tribulation, the firmament will have to be put back in place just as it was before the flood.  The Christian scientists have determined that it would be possible for God to recreate the firmament by allowing another huge solar flare, similar to the one that wiped it out...this solar flare would be more powerful than one-million hydrogen bombs and would literally vaporize all the water on earth, spew it into the atmosphere, and reform the firmament surrounding the earth.  Pretty neat stuff.

Meh, w/e your views

Ghost sniper, we have bible writings from pre Noah, so where are the mentionings of Dinosaurs, Im sorry But I just cant believe that Adam, or Moses, or any other Old testament guru would not mention this huge ass dino that just ate half his flock of sheep.  They talk about David in the lions den, not david in the veloca raptor den... I refuse to believe that dino's and humans ever walked the planet at the same time, give me cold hard evidence that they did please.

You have to remember that the dinosaurs would have only been around during the time before the flood, which happened very early in the Book of Genesis...therefore most of the Bible was after the flood.  The dinosaurs died off after the flood as I previously mentioned, because they could not reproduce at the reduced oxygen levels in the atmosphere with the new lower air pressures.  And the dinosaurs would not have eaten anyone's sheep...they were all vegetarians.  That's right, T-Rex only ate plants!  And your cold hard evidence can be found in areas where you find dinosaur tracks fossilized...right next to human footprints.  These have actually been found but are refuted by mainstream science because it doesn't fit into what they believe.

The only reference to back up your "Dinosaurs with Noah" theory is this Genesis 8:6 - "And in those days there were giants on the earth, and they sought Noah to take away his life;"[/i]

But, if dinosaurs were docile and plant eaters why would they be seeking to kill noah?

By the way how does Noah know wtf a flood is?

The dinosaurs would have died of Oxygen Deprival not due to reduced Oxygen levels.  By the way, where are the swimming dino's (Nessie?)

By the way, if noah had never seen rain (because it had never rained) then he probly shit himself.



OK TO ALL YOU NON BELIEVERS



IF there is no god, how did we get here?  Humans cant fathom something not being made by something else, so how were we made (to the believers, how was god made?)

What is the point in not believing,  an hour on a sunday near christman and easter (how many of you non believers still take off for work these days?)  And faith in something that may or may not exist, but is a cool idea if it is real.

I dont know that my religion is better than yours,  I just have faith that I am believing the right things.  Honestly, all religions are similar, just a few minor differences, but the basic principle is the same, A higher being, and an afterlife.  Religion may be fake, but it sets good standards to live by dont you think?

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Okay, I can't get too much more detailed in my explanations simply because I'm not a scientist.  I do have a 3-part VHS video set that explains all of this...it was developed by the Christian scientists that have tried proving the Bible correct, instead of trying to prove it wrong.  I'm willing to copy the tapes and send them to anyone who wants them...just e-mail me your address to GhostSniper@damnr6.com.[/size]

[DarK.]

Email sent

[BFG]

Right now its the whole dinosaur thing that really does not sit well with me (yeah ok a few other minor details like no rainbows becasue of the wrong kind of light and the whole ice thing but hang on)

- So, im starting to feel a bit sorry for all those carnivorous dinosaurs that didn't eat meat. They are built for running and hunting, some of them highly honed hunting machines much like your big cats in africa today... everything about the 'design' of their body if you will...

To be honest i think this is just mad, its desperatly trying to find/create an idea/evidence that can back up a belief despite the fact that everything we believe and know points in the opposite direction.

If I suddenly start a new religion called Shepianity and i believe that sheep only eat bats then people are going to look at me a bit odd - if you could look at a fossilised sheep right now, there is no way that thing is going to be able to catch, let alone eat a bat... You say im crazy? well you see they could eat bats then becasue there wasn't any gravity and the solar winds caught in the sheeps wool and projected them around like little rockets biting the bats out of the air (coincidently the wool of the sheep was also a clever radar blanket which meant that the bats could not detect them!)

 sorry but the same with these dinosaurs - look at what we have found out about them, its not fact or absolute by any means but we can make very good guesses based on the information we have collected, some things we know more about some less, but there is no way (excuse the bad pun coming up) on gods earth (yeah well i warned ya) that all dinosaurs wandered the land chewing on lettuce leaves...

The more I hear about this the more the actions of the christian scientists seems totally crazy - but we cant disprove these 'theories' because they seem to have done just as freud did and provide an explanation for the theory not working as it were... like i said before.

The Bible teaches that women should remain silent only in church.

Ah right... I have to ask though what's your stance regarding women priests etc then... ?

[Brutha]

I dont know that my religion is better than yours,  I just have faith that I am believing the right things.  Honestly, all religions are similar, just a few minor differences, but the basic principle is the same, A higher being, and an afterlife.  Religion may be fake, but it sets good standards to live by dont you think?

Religion may be fake, and I believe it is. I don't think I would want to use the word "Fake" though because of it's negative connotations. I believe that religion is man made, not to control society in any way(this is more the work of the church, and epsecially the Catholic church as it was before modern times), but rather to give an explanation to the things we cannot grasp. Jesus himself did exist, this we know from both jewish and roman historians(romans especially did record history quite metulously), and that he was a preacher of ideas quite radical. However, what a person believes in quite strongly becomes quite real to that person. I personally applaude GS for being open about his beliefs, and to Dark, who isn't on GS side of the fence but asking question without trying to point out the absurdities he finds in those beliefs.

However, I want to say this. Science, christian or non christian can NEVER prove anything to be absolute. It is extremely hard,. since all our data is non empirical, we can only base our theories on logic(which can't be used as evidence due to our mindset is ever changing) and data that cannot be 100% accurate due to natural hindrances(such as there are no living dinosaurs). The reason we say that dinosaurs were meat eaters is that their teath are similar to carnivores of our time..but the problem is, we can't with 100% accuracy say the the plants in those days were not tough and rigid and therefore they needed those teeth to bite through those plants. I know it sounds silly, but we cannot make those guarantees. Therefore, we should never assume anything to be proven to be absolute.

Still, we are all free to believe in what we wish, and I have no doubts that GS beliefs are very real to him, just as Neo-darwinism is very real to BFG, or me for that matter.

[BFG]

Just a few last questions regarding the Dinosaurs and then i'll shut up...

• If dinosaurs were around at the same time as humans, why arn't their human fossils.
• U said the dinosaurs couldn't deal with the change in atmospheric pressure... um what about everything in the sea?

That's right, T-Rex only ate plants!  And your cold hard evidence can be found in areas where you find dinosaur tracks fossilized right next to human footprints

Not quite sure how that proves they were veggie's, also i don't think the scientific world would ignore it if that was really the case and not some mistake or bad fake. if they did, well who's to say mr rex didn't just rip the humans head off as he was stood there...    and where is all the fossilized evidence of all the people and animals killed by the flood?

The explanation for this comes from the Christian scientists who have studied the Bible and instead of trying to figure up something new like "the theory of evolution", they started with what the Bible says first and tried to find out how in nature that could have been.  So they backwards analized everything and decided that the firmament mentioned in Genesis had to be what kept things the way they were before the flood, and that it falling as rain had to be what caused the great flood.

And here we come to the most inportant bit which i've been trying to get too...

- The Christian 'scientists' came up with a theory which they could fit in with their beliefs - their primary concern was to find a way to explain scientifically the interpretation from the bible regarding the flood, creation of the earth etc etc. They created a theory that had to fit with the beliefs they already had which it goes without saying is about the worst possible scientific practice imaginable.

Darwin and co on the other hand had no such 'goal', no pre set 'conditions' in which things could or couldn't happen. Darwin didn't sit down and say "oh god i don't like the idea of being linked to apes, i better think of a different idea" - it was an open theory, based on research and what we see around us, not pre-defined beliefs.

when i look at my feet i see two of them, i know there are to of them, it just goes without saying that there are two feet. its obvious, its logical.  I do not need to believe i have two feet.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

E-mail me your address, BFG...I'll send you a copy of the tapes too.

[Toxic::Joka]

E-mail me your address, BFG...I'll send you a copy of the tapes too.

How will you send 3 VHS tapes through email? How large are the files?
If they're not too large I'd like to have a look at them as well. 
anton85@gmail.com

[BTs_GhostSniper]

E-mail me your address, BFG...I'll send you a copy of the tapes too.

How will you send 3 VHS tapes through email? How large are the files?
If they're not too large I'd like to have a look at them as well. 
anton85@gmail.com

Hey, Joka...it's 3 video tapes that are 2-hours long each.  That would be one heck of a big file, but maybe I'll convert all 3 to DVD and then just mail out DVD's to anyone who wants a copy.  Let me get to work on that tonight...I have a converter box at home on my G5.