A different view

[BFG]

... Continuing this mornings theme of posting off my daily viewings of the newspaper (well otherwise i have to work)

Ive been following the developments of the battle between darwinism creationism and diet/ lite creationism intelligent design ... and well before i get to much into it im rather wondering what other peoples points of view on it are (GS you included - im making an assumption from your religion that you believe in creationism but id like to know why etc)

The American Museum of Natural History in New York will open the most far-reaching exhibition in its history on Charles Darwin, the father of evolution, next month. In most countries such a display by one of the world's top museums would not be the stuff of heated controversy.
But not in America. Not in 2005.

The American world view:

64 per cent of people questioned for a recent poll said they were open to the idea of teaching creationism in addition to evolution in schools, while 38 per cent favoured replacing evolution with creationism.

40 per cent of Americans believe God will eventually intervene in human affairs and bring about an end to life on Earth, according to a survey carried out in 2002. Of those believers, almost half thought this would occur in their lifetime with a return of Jesus from heaven.

1 adult American in five believes that the Sun revolves around Earth, according to one study carried out last summer.

80 per cent of Americans surveyed by the CNN TV news network believe that their government is hiding evidence of the existence of space aliens.

70 per cent believe it likely that Saddam Hussein was involved personally in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

[:MoD:Shade]

I'm ashamed to be an american.

The people who think the sun rotates around the earth are ignorant.  Thoes are all awfully hard numbers and I find it hard to believe that they are all completely true.

Both creationism and evolutionism should be taught in school by teachers with open opinions - the students should be the ones who can determine which they believe in.

[BFG]

Hmm, can't find any information regarding where those stats were aquired from - they were part of the article and were not referenced

If Creationism is taught in schools surely then say the islamist and buddist beliefs of how the world was created should be taught as well? Im assuming you guys have RE (religious education)  lessons at school - personally i belief that is where it should be taught - not in science lessons!

[:MoD:Shade]

We have very very few classes where other religions are taught and Creationism most definitly isn't taught in Science lessons if that's what your getting at, Evolutionism isn't really taught in science either it's only implied.

[BFG]

Evolutionism isn't really taught in science either it's only implied.

So you don't learn specifically about Darwin or about the theory of evolution?

[jerkasaur]

I believe in flying spagetti monsterism, Which I think sums up my view on this entire issue. If people want to learn about god/religion in the class room, they should go to private schools. The thought of teaching students that god created the earth, right after teaching them about the gravitational constant is just too much to stomache.

The Church rejected any science that conflicted with their teachings hundreds of years ago and tortured the scientists who were writing those theories, and now they are telling us that it was acutally God's master plan all along? REDICULOUS!

[*DAMN Hazard]

40 per cent of Americans believe God will eventually intervene in human affairs and bring about an end to life on Earth, according to a survey carried out in 2002. Of those believers, almost half thought this would occur in their lifetime with a return of Jesus from heaven.

This statistic can be given no merit unless the subjects asked the question are "typical" Americans and not just people who actually have time to answer survey questions like this (who are usually looney) so this kind of statistic holds no weight unless citizens of the United States were picked randomly...

woot psych taught me something

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I have a question for all you "non-believers"...

What are you going to do on that day that Jesus does come back, gathers up his believers, takes them to heaven, and sends the rest of you to hell?  Just wondering, are you still gonna say it's all a bunch of crap?

[Civrock]

Hahaha, good one!

[:MoD:Shade]

I believe there is a higher power who looks out for people but I don't believe in Creationism.

And Yes BFG we learned about Darwin and his theory but we didn't spend an amazing amount of time learning about it, just basically his theory of evolution.

[Ethion]

Buddhism.

[Toxic::Joka]

I have a question for all you "non-believers"...

What are you going to do on that day that Jesus does come back, gathers up his believers, takes them to heaven, and sends the rest of you to hell?  Just wondering, are you still gonna say it's all a bunch of crap?

When he comes down I'll just repent my sins and proclaim my belief in the all mighty. He is all forgiving, right?

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I have a question for all you "non-believers"...

What are you going to do on that day that Jesus does come back, gathers up his believers, takes them to heaven, and sends the rest of you to hell?  Just wondering, are you still gonna say it's all a bunch of crap?

When he comes down I'll just repent my sins and proclaim my belief in the all mighty. He is all forgiving, right?

Unfortunately, no.  You have to repent BEFORE he comes or it doesn't count.   

[jerkasaur]

I have a question for all you "non-believers"...

What are you going to do on that day that Jesus does come back, gathers up his believers, takes them to heaven, and sends the rest of you to hell?  Just wondering, are you still gonna say it's all a bunch of crap?

Denying the existance of God and not wanting to teach conjecture about him in a public school are two completely different issues. The fact is, the science classroom is a place for science, not conjecture about the all-mighty, and trying to turn it into such regresses our public education system in such a way that it might as well not even exist.

This isn't about whether God exists or not, it's about one religion occupying the valuable time that our children are in school for. That quite frankly is completely unacceptable.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

I have trouble believing that Jesus is vengeful, merciless and unforgiving. Isn't he the dude who said Love thy enemy, turn the other cheek and forgive those who trespass against thee? 

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I have trouble believing that Jesus is vengeful, merciless and unforgiving. Isn't he the dude who said Love thy enemy, turn the other cheek and forgive those who trespass against thee? 

Yep, but if you don't get saved before he comes back, you're just shit out of luck. 

[z][t-Rampage]

I have a question for all you "non-believers"...

What are you going to do on that day that Jesus does come back, gathers up his believers, takes them to heaven, and sends the rest of you to hell?  Just wondering, are you still gonna say it's all a bunch of crap?

how do know that he's coming and who told you?

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I have a question for all you "non-believers"...

What are you going to do on that day that Jesus does come back, gathers up his believers, takes them to heaven, and sends the rest of you to hell?  Just wondering, are you still gonna say it's all a bunch of crap?

how do know that he's coming and who told you?

It's what I believe, but my point isn't that...what are you going to do when he comes back?  You can't just say, "hey, I didn't believe that dumbass GhostSniper for a second!  Please let me in!".  It will be all too futile then.  And then what are you going to look back and say about all the Christians that "told you so"?  And what are you going to say about how they took nearly any mention of the Bible out of school?  Hey, play your games all you like while you are here on earth...but just remember, when the time comes, I TOLD YOU SO.[/color]

[BTs_FahQ2]

i'll take my chances in hell, shit I don't even believe in that place but for some reason I am going there.  Since a majority of people now and who have lived throughout history haven't believed in this view of the afterlife, if there is one, I think it may be more fun there.  I would like to party with those people instead, besides, the majority of sinners are funner people anyways, sex drugs and rock and roll.

If I have an eternity, I have an eternity to get used to the pain, humans are very adaptable...

[BTs_GhostSniper]

the majority of sinners are funner people anyways, sex drugs and rock and roll.

Ah, see, but that's where you are doing it wrong...I can sin, too...and still get to heaven...hehehe.