Advance Ladder

[DarK.]

However one word about the Advanced ladders. The advanced ladders will feature an old fashioned 3 - 1 - 0 (win - tie - loss) scoring. The Advanced ladders are a kind of test ladder. We want to see if a 3 - 1 - 0 with a 2cbs vs. the same clan limitation can work out without scheduling any cbs. Due the character of being a "test ladder" you will be able to double submit all cbs from the Team ladders also in the Advanced ladder until you have reached the cb limit. We think that with such a small cb limit, we don't need a schedule to keep the amount of played cbs balanced. We also hope that clans are motivated to cb as much as possible, because you can't lose any points.

  I think I must have missed something, because I just dont quite understand what this ladder is, how the scoring works, or any other part of it, so if someone who has this knowledge could inform me...

[BFG]

you get three points for a win
you get one point for a draw
you get no points for a loss

Its about the most simple scoring system imaginable. - Works on the same principle as the british football league. we'll use this system along side the other - two see how both compare with each other and how rankings differ between the two scoring systems.

[spike]

It's a slight modification of the scoring system we used for pre-season.

[core.Flies]

Heh ! A reply from a forum-camper.

Yo Dark,
just wanted to let you know you are not alone ( in the d.... )

Yesterday, the thread of upcoming season by BFG made me very excited, and I clicked his link with enthusiasm, in order to get all the details.

I too saw the announcement from Mauti.
Easy to understand at first, but then I also got the part with the " advanced ladder ". hehe.

Errhm... I know Mauti a bit, so I knew I shouldnt give up at first sign of mystery.
I made myself a cup of coffee, sat down and tried again.

The 3-0-1 thingy i figured out after a little while.
Like they say here, i figured out it was the scorings for won - draw - lost.
Just like in football allright.

But...
I tried to read between the lines, in order to understand how this ladder was going to be played.
it was " a bit " unclear to me, so i started to assume.

I assumed this ladder would be a ladder, where two clans made a deal with each other, to do 2 cbs with each other.

I assumed they therefore just entered the scores for both CBs, once the 2.nd cb had been played.

I assumed that this maybe was done in order to make it possible for clans to do a full cb on one host,
and then the other CB on the other clans host.

I assumed this was also done, in order to in some way make the cb-dealing more "active" and easy to get done.

But then again...I came to two conclusions:

A: I wasnt at all sure I was right.

B: I decided to "chicken out" on this one. I certainly didnt want to come in here and ask the questions plain out, and before knowing it, getting involved in some beefy stuff with Spike or any other admin for that matter. I simply had enough of that.
I told myself, that maybe - just maybe - my IQ wasnt that many miles below the average users here,
so prolly somebody else would get in the line of fire, and actually ask wtf it all is.

So therefore Dark, i welcome your question.


And since this ladder so far sounds like the most interesting ladder by far,
i cant wait to get al the details.

Best regards
| ! | Flies


 

[NiKLoT]

maybe wait untill the official rules are out?

[BFG]

Ok let me try and clarify this for u guys a little more... bear with me though!!

Ok. The 'advanced' ladder is basically a test run for a new scoring system that we are interested in seeing in action. this season, we are running this system along side the current system - so that when you play a cb (if you choose to do so) the outcome will be calculated by both the scoring systems (and displayed on separate ladders)

This means that we can look at how the calculations of the two different ladders differ, and how it affects final rankings.

Lets imagine a scenario

the clan [BO] plays the clan Z|P  and [BO] wins the cb. WHen the [BO] war admin goes to submit the cb, he/she can choose to submit the results to the 'advanced' ladder as well as the standard ladder. If you do this then both scoring systems will take the result and calculate the change to their own ladders separately. thats it.. nothing more to it.

Of course, its important to make it clear to u guys that this is optional! You don't have to submit the results to the 'advanced' ladder as well as the current system - but we hope u do so we can make sure to implement changes etc and get a feel for how well the system works out. but other than click that extra box when submitting, u guys don't have to worry about it at all!

Don't think i can explain it any more than that - but hopefully the rule book will help u out and if you hold out a little longer im sure it will all become a lot clearer

[||DeStrOyEr||]

Lol i think i will wait the new rules 

[cO.Vickedson]

I personally think it should be a gentleman's agreement before each cb on whether or not that particular cb is to be counted towards the Advanced Ladder.

What's to stop me from simply counting only the cbs my clan wins?

If you only get to count 2 cbs with each clan towards it then it's possible that every clan on the Advanced Ladder would finish undefeated no?

[*DAMN Mauti]

The rules will be out soon.

Well the winner can decide to submit it to both ladders or not so no gentlemen agreement is necessary.(if both clans are registered at both ladders).

Bye,

Mauti

[cO.Vickedson]

But Mauti.....will clan leaders ever post a loss??

[BTs_Mysterio]

But Mauti.....will clan leaders ever post a loss??

...the winner can decide to submit it to both ladders or not...

[BFG]

... in other words, the looser never gets to choose. The winning clan allways posts (as normal) and thus makes the decision... and hopfully they will allways submit to both!

[cO.twist]

yea i'd say since the winner decides, it'll get submitted everytime.

[Civrock]

Supposing the other clan is signed up for the Advanced Ladder.

[cO.Vickedson]

cO 2-0
US 2-0
PO 2-0
zt 2-0
ghra 2-0


 how does that show who's best???

[Civrock]

Umm... don't you think these clans would CB each other at least once? Also, the scores matter and determine the higher ranked team if there are same amounts of points.

[Hunter]

lol vick...
when a team that wins submits a cb, not only does the "win" get posted, but the other teams "loss" also gets posted.
Losers never post cbs.

seems simple

[*DAMN Mauti]

Example:

Clan A has 6 points and Clan B has 6 points: both clans have played 6 cbs:

Clan A: 3 wins(9 points) and 3 losses(0points)
Clan B: 2 wins(6points) and 3 ties(3points)

Clan A will be the leader. Placement breakers will be points - wins - ties - losses and then won games, like in many other sports leagues.

[Ein]

Example:

Clan A has 6 points and Clan B has 6 points: both clans have played 6 cbs:

Clan A: 3 wins(9 points) and 3 losses(0points)
Clan B: 2 wins(6points) and 3 ties(3points)

Clan A will be the leader. Placement breakers will be points - wins - ties - losses and then won games, like in many other sports leagues.

First question is, if the winner posts, who posts in the case of a tie. With regards to that question, I thought ties in GhR cb's go into overtime and if not, then who would win on the regular ladder (not the advanced one)?

2nd question, I see what Vick is saying completely and it was my thoughts as well... If you can only count 2 cb's with a particular clan for the advanced ladder, the winner posts, and the loser loses no points, it still seems like it's gonna be a tie.

example:clan "a" cb's clan "b" 2 times and posts their 2 wins. Clan "b" cbs clan "c" 2 times and posts their 2 wins. Clan "c" cb's clan "a" 2 times and posts their 2 wins. Now each clan has cb'd 2 clans the maximum ammount of times and posted 2 wins. The 3 clans (a.b. and c) all decide not to post any ties since they have the option not to post and they all want the most points possible. Since no one loses points for losing, and no one posted a tie, they all have the same score at the end of the season. a=2wins, b=2wins, and c=2wins.

Maybe it will work out differently once the season starts but I think the system might be flawwed slightly.

Ein

[DarK.]

Okay, before you guys start ripping this ladder apart, remember that it is a TEST ladder... not the real thing.  Lets not put to much time ripping this to peices, lets just play.