GZ the Ghost Recon Clan

[Liberate]

I just want to clear something up with all the idiots who think GZ hacks.

For one you have no proof. Period. For two, you're all immature retards and need to grow up. Banning GZ members every time they join your server because they "hack" is completey retarded. They dont hack. Period. You say that they wall hack or aim bot? Are you stupid? Where is your proof? Unless you have UNDISPUTABLE PROOF then you need to shut up. I'm sick of noobs like Po and such that think they can do whatever  they want and say whatever they want. Grow up.

I've reviewed the replay that apparently "proves" that GZ hacks. That is the saddest shit I've ever seen. They rushed while keeping an eye on one spawn. They saw nobody at that spawn and therefore knew where you spawned. To think you thought they hacked just because they ran out and looked somewhere? It's a simple tactic that even noobs use.

You have no evidence to support your claims. You don't have a copy of any of the GZ members' configs nor do you have a replay that even remotely suggests that they hack. In my opinion you all are just sore losers.

Also, the Ghost Recon and Ghost Recon Desert Siege engines are extremely buggy ("glitching" and such). You can stand next to a tree and have it block bullets. You can sit on top of a crater and have it block bullets. You can move and shoot through walls and shit too. Get over it.

[theweakspot]

i havent seen this alleged replay, though I would love to.  Accusations of cheating will always be around.  PLay for fun and relax.  Take your own advice and....

Get over it.

[Hunter]

LOL, I had forgotten all about GZ.........

On my server, I let whom I want play.
People may of banned u guys because youre "hackers"
but if I ban you, its because youre an idiot.

[[a] kitkat]

I dont think everyone thinks Gz uses wall hacks....  I think everyone thinks Havok uses wall hacks...  Shit, I heard he was boasting about it in a room that I wasnt even in from multiple people.  The problem is this:  When you are in a clan, your actions reflect upon all your clan members. 

Oh and nice first post on your 'members' account...  Why must u hide like a little bitch?  Shit, if I have something to say I say it openly to your face without hiding my identity...  All this makes me think is that it is havok posting this...  even if it isnt.....   I'll just assume it is.  Merry Christmas.

[Croosch]

I don't believe any of the former Gz guys use wallhacks... BUT havok was talking about how Gz uses wallhacks, I remember clearly, we were playing on Castle Day and havok was talking about how him and MDT got Gz to start using wallhacks. Maybe I left too early to hear the rest of it, but I do recall Havok boasting about using wallhacks... this is no issue to be joking about, spread it around and it will be believed.

I apologize to the rest of Gz who got banned from various servers, as for Havok... it was a dumb thing to say, no I don't think any of you use wallhacks. But something like this will NEVER be taken lightly, so please, don't let it happen again... whether you're joking or not.

But I do understand where Havok was coming from a little. I was contacted by somebody long before Havok's incident who claimed to me that Gz uses wall hacks... I told him to keep it on the down low for a while while I look into it more. Well this person that contacted me got his whole clan involved and this is where the banning started to occur... I agree that it's extremely lame of them to do this, with no proof except the Gz guys playing extremely well. If I was banned from all the main servers for playing too good I probably would have been pissed off too.
If you guys have never been apart of the PC gaming world, this is what it's like. Constant accusations of cheaters, people getting banned and kicked for playing too good... it's pretty shitty, so let's not let it happen here. This is why I prefer mac gaming.

Next time somebody comes to me with accusations of somebody cheating, I want proof.

I don't hold any grudges toward any former Gz members, been getting along with Havok pretty well since then.

Why must u hide like a little bitch?  Shit, if I have something to say I say it openly to your face without hiding my identity...  All this makes me think is that it is havok posting this...  even if it isnt.....   I'll just assume it is.  Merry Christmas.

btw KITKAT... that makes you sound like a 10 year old trying to act tough. Who gives a shit if he wants to be kept unknown... I would too after seeing your childish reaction.

[crypt]

Po can do what they want, when they want. Shit I'd be livid as hell if someone banned me for something like that, but that doesn't stop them from doing it. They can ban you because they suspect you have a pimple on the left side of your butthole. Life isn't fair, why should a video game community be as such? Now, if you payed to play in their servers, that would be a different story.

[[a] kitkat]

Who gives a shit if he wants to be kept unknown...

I do krush.  Thats why i wrote that...  And if you are such a big fan of Gz, why dont you go join them now that cO kicked you out (or how u 'left' on your own as u would put it),

And just because you are buddy buddy with Havok now doesnt make cheating ok...  So I have no idea what you mean when u say 'you see where he is coming from'.  You are an admin and you should probably work to prevent unfair gaming.  But i guess its ok... nobody really expects much out of u anyways.

[[a] kitkat]

Who gives a shit if he wants to be kept unknown...

I do krush.  Thats why i wrote that...  And if you are such a big fan of Gz, why dont you go join them now that cO kicked you out (or how u 'left' on your own as u would put it),

And just because you are buddy buddy with Havok now doesnt make cheating ok...  So I have no idea what you mean when u say 'you see where he is coming from'.  You are an admin and you should probably work to prevent unfair gaming.  But i guess its ok... nobody really expects much out of u anyways.

Also, I think clans have the right to manage their own servers...  Just like Harvey does on his RVS server; blocking/banning cheaters, people who make racist comments, pricks, etc...  This is a game after all...  The only thing that would make me stop playing it is cheating.  But thats just how i feel.  To each their own.

[Brutha]

What the hell happened here? I know I've been gone for a long time, but lets look at the evidence here.

I'm checking these forums two or three times a day, and I have yet to see evidence of GZ cheating. All I see is what someone says someone said in a game. Thats the facts boys and girls. Kitkat, you bring up LeeHarveys server..funny thing...pricks still get to play there. I know two or three admins that don't like Deora, but he isn't cheating so they still let him in(unless thats changed the last two weeks). As for your personal attacks on Krush? I find that very distasteful, and if thats the attitude of Po, then I'm sorry to see a leading clan of this community fall so low. I haven't seen Krush do anything wrong on these forums as an admin, and neither have I seen him do anything wrong while representing the admins on GR, so do not assume you speak for all of the community. You seem to have a personal thing against Krush, use PM's on GR or here...don't bore the rest of us with that bullshit.

[z][t-Primary]

Question: if Gz had used wallhacks or whatever cheats they might have gotten hold of, dont you think they might have maybe done a little better? All the Gz guys were rather talented players, and i dont see how they would have lost more than they won during the pre-season, if they in fact cheated.

I saved one suspicious replay, where we were playing a CB against them on Embassy. Sure, they knew our exact spawn and positions without any sensors or general map usage, and GL'd us to hell in about 20 seconds =). I dont know if this might be the replay u guys are talking about, probably not. However, they didnt win the CB, and really didnt pwn us or seem to know our locations on any other maps. Hoooow do a bunch of cheaters who are also pretty good players lose?

There's a plenty of ways to cheat in GhR (not talking about glitches and bugs), but i dont understand why this has all been focused towards Gz. People often joke about cheating in public games, ive seen it, done it, we all have witnessed it. How come this one claim was taken so seriously?

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I've never heard of Gz cheating.

[Croosch]

I do krush.  Thats why i wrote that...  And if you are such a big fan of Gz, why dont you go join them now that cO kicked you out (or how u 'left' on your own as u would put it),

And just because you are buddy buddy with Havok now doesnt make cheating ok...  So I have no idea what you mean when u say 'you see where he is coming from'.  You are an admin and you should probably work to prevent unfair gaming.  But i guess its ok... nobody really expects much out of u anyways.

nobody has evidence and though KITKAT is so pigheaded and thinks he's always correct... I won't take action as an admin until he has evidence. I never once said cheating was okay, but show me proof and I'll do something about it.

I know where he is coming from because I play AA on my mac and sometimes on my PC and I get banned from servers for cheating accusations... on shot kills. I understand that KITKAT would just jump to conclusions and think "hey he's playing very well, he must be cheating.... I'll ban him now" but It's my job not to think that way.

and I did quit cO to join UnknowN... I was asked to leave a while ago by twist, I was then invited back. That's just you thinking you know everything again.

nobody really expects much out of u anyways.

and what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

[Brutha]

I remember Buddha(of :MoD:) had this stupid "magic bullets provided by Buddha" or something on his quick messages...he got accused of using an aim bot....people can't take jokes when they die on GhR.

[cO.libre]

I think everyone thinks Havok uses wall hacks...

you think that everyone thinks, for one i dont. KITKAT, you have no hard evidence that he has done this but you still insist on bashing on him and accusing him as a hacker because he is a decent to above average player?

Shit, I heard he was boasting about it in a room that I wasnt even in from multiple people.

this sounds like something you would hear on a 6th grade playground..
"OMG tyronda told me that nicole told me that she said that johnny likes tommy and tommy cheated during our game of checkers with alysha."

KITKAT, you really need to stop accusing people of things without hard proof.
all of your gossip permits no action to boot players or even ban them from public servers.

[theweakspot]

all of your gossip permits no action to boot players or even ban them from public servers.

"public" servers don't exist on GR... they are all private computers run by individuals who have the right to be assholes.  Hard proof or not, i've seen guys banned for not x'ing up as many times i've seen them banned for cheating.

Until someone has or produces HARD evidence of a cheat I will be skeptical.  The problem is with so many being of the opinion that something fishy was going on- including me- an accusation is as good as a conviction.... especially around here... we're worse than a sewing circle.

[Liberate]

Alright to start, I'll straighten up KitKat. KitKat, Liberate is the name I play as. Whether it's in english or not doesn't matter. SSC||Liberate or SSC||Osvabodjit. I'm also known as exi . Jmms in PC gaming. Who I am isn't in question here. I posted here because it's the only way I can think of to have all of you see this at the same time. You tell me to drop it. I got on GHR for the second time in 3 years and what happens? I get banned. Why? Because I let my brother use my account after you asshats insisted upon banning him for being in GZ. He now plays on 3-4 accounts just to keep from getting banned. The fact that you all ban GZ members for such lame shit is why I posted this. I'm not the one being immature KitKat. I'm not hiding.

All this makes me think is that it is havok posting this...  even if it isnt.....   I'll just assume it is.  Merry Christmas.

Your ignorace further proves your immaturity. I don't even know who Havoc is. I could care less. This isn't about Havoc nor is this a discussion of whether GZ, Havoc, or anyone for that matter hacks. This is about you all stopping your immature antics and letting people play, especially when they play fair and don't bitch.

And just because you are buddy buddy with Havok now doesnt make cheating ok...

Shut the hell up. I did not post this to revive the old PMS battle of whether Havoc hacks or not. You know my position on it. Grow up KitKat. One of the rules you agreed to when you signed up for these forums is to not start any flaming wars which is exactly where you're headed.

If you guys have never been apart of the PC gaming world, this is what it's like. Constant accusations of cheaters, people getting banned and kicked for playing too good... it's pretty shitty, so let's not let it happen here. This is why I prefer mac gaming.

This would hardly matter if it were PC gaming. In PC gaming, if you get banned for playing too well, you go to another server because theres 300+ for whatever you're playing. In this case though, there's maybe 1-5 servers up on average. Being banned from half of them just for wearing a GZ tag and kicking ass is ridiculous.

Just like Harvey does on his RVS server; blocking/banning cheaters, people who make racist comments, pricks, etc...

Exactly. When someone's playing on my server and drop an n-bomb or such they get 1 warning and 1 warning only before they earn a permanent vacation from my server. As for hackers, they don't even get a warning. Permanent ban striaght up no exceptions. HOWEVER, IN ORDER FOR A HACKER TO BE BANNED, UNDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED. If there's not a 100% "He hacks for sure" then they aren't banned, which is why I'm here arguing on the GZ members' behalf.

I saved one suspicious replay, where we were playing a CB against them on Embassy. Sure, they knew our exact spawn and positions without any sensors or general map usage, and GL'd us to hell in about 20 seconds =). I dont know if this might be the replay u guys are talking about, probably not.

Yeah, that's the  replay. As I stated when I posted this topic, all you have to do is run toward the embassy while watching ONE spawn. As soon as you don't see people at that spawn you narrow down your choices to one or two places. I havn't played the game in years except for a couple times and I do it. It's common sense. As for the grenade spam, its GHR. Cmon, you know everybody nade spams. They had to choose between 2 spawns and only one of the 2 was visible so they spammed. The first kill was all they needed to open up.

I do krush.  Thats why i wrote that...  And if you are such a big fan of Gz, why dont you go join them now that cO kicked you out (or how u 'left' on your own as u would put it),

And just because you are buddy buddy with Havok now doesnt make cheating ok...  So I have no idea what you mean when u say 'you see where he is coming from'.  You are an admin and you should probably work to prevent unfair gaming.  But i guess its ok... nobody really expects much out of u anyways.

nobody has evidence and though KITKAT is so pigheaded and thinks he's always correct... I won't take action as an admin until he has evidence. I never once said cheating was okay, but show me proof and I'll do something about it.

I know where he is coming from because I play AA on my mac and sometimes on my PC and I get banned from servers for cheating accusations... on shot kills. I understand that KITKAT would just jump to conclusions and think "hey he's playing very well, he must be cheating.... I'll ban him now" but It's my job not to think that way.

and I did quit cO to join UnknowN... I was asked to leave a while ago by twist, I was then invited back. That's just you thinking you know everything again.

nobody really expects much out of u anyways.

and what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Exactly. I get banned on HL mod servers for having kill to death ratios of 130:0. They don't even spectate me, they just ban me. Servers like that aren't even worth playing on. The sad part is in this case, those are the only servers available to play on.

"public" servers don't exist on GR... they are all private computers run by individuals who have the right to be assholes.  Hard proof or not, i've seen guys banned for not x'ing up as many times i've seen them banned for cheating.

Until someone has or produces HARD evidence of a cheat I will be skeptical.  The problem is with so many being of the opinion that something fishy was going on- including me- an accusation is as good as a conviction.... especially around here... we're worse than a sewing circle.

Negative, all servers hosted by people from their computers are public. The only way you can have a non-public server using GR is to lock the room and password protect it. That's a non public server. The rest are public because anybody can join. As for an accusation being as good as a conviction.. I don't know where you come up with shit like that, but just READ IT. Listen to how lame that sounds and how untrue that is. I could say right now "theweakspot aim bots and gopher hacks" and have you banned if that were true.


As for setting KitKat straight, I think everyone has said what needs to be said. All I ask is that you stop banning GZ members from servers for simply being in GZ and being good. KitKat has learned his lesson(hopefully) and we can all leave him alone.

~Lib


EDIT: Jesus christ, that's an essay right there...

[theweakspot]

Negative, all servers hosted by people from their computers are public. The only way you can have a non-public server using GR is to lock the room and password protect it. That's a non public server. The rest are public because anybody can join. As for an accusation being as good as a conviction.. I don't know where you come up with shit like that, but just READ IT. Listen to how lame that sounds and how untrue that is. I could say right now "theweakspot aim bots and gopher hacks" and have you banned if that were true.

read what i wrote again, and this time realize that I'm actually on your side of the fence.  They are not public servers because they are subject to privtization.  Not just ANYONE can join... as you have pointed out, the Gz. guys have been banned from many.  Thus, they are no longer public, at least to Gz. members.

The comment regarding accusations being as good convictions meant that people are willing to believe things that are widespread without a grain of truth to them. If one person calls me a haxor, big deal... but if a large majority of the community says I am, then it becomes much more believeable... like the Gz. thing... I haven't seen any proof, buy many believe it because its widespread.

(realx, apology accepted.)

LETS JUST SETTLE THIS.... if Gz. hax, let SOMEONE.... ANYONE produce a replay or screenshot... be vindicated or embarassed.... where is this proof?

[Hunter]

I for one cleared my ban list completly a few weeks ago
lets all forget about it and have fun

[[a] kitkat]

I will ban you for making me read that long ass epic you wrote.  I am just expressing my opinion here.  I dont give a rats ass what u think Liberate.  I can ban whomever I want whenever I want.  I can say anything I want whenever I want.

If I feel like banning Havok thats my right.  If I think he is cheating thats my right.  If i feel like telling others, that is my right.  When Gz.Havok cheats thats his right.  When he brags about it in a room including other clan members of his with his statements of using wallhacks (specifically MDT) thats his right.  If I feel like banning after I hear about it thats my right.  I don't need proof.  I dont need evidence.  Just a few click of my mouse and ... wham!!! BAN BAN BAN.

And a Happy New Year.

[cO.libre]

And a Happy New Year.

can we simmer down on the immaturity?