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« Reply #80 on: October 04, 2004, 10:28:10 pm »

They found Bush li'l notebook right after the debate:

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« Reply #81 on: October 04, 2004, 10:28:15 pm »

Ghost Sniper, the way I would do it, i.e. the right way, would be first to focus on cleaning up Bush's mess. Second, with a rebuilt intelligence community and larger special forces I would focus on precision attacks against terrorist cells around the world. However, attacking soverign nations (Syria or Iran or whatever) would not be the plan, it is wrong to do that without very strong international support or direct threat, but we can do the small opperations unilaterally. I would use diplomacy (bilateral talks, multilateral talks, the UN) to deal with problems with governments of soverign nations.

As a result of this policy, terrorists would be attacked without massive civilian deaths, thus they would be hurt without helping their cause, we would have more respect to make international deals and we would successfully have these countries under control and could slowly push them in the direction of democracy and freedom. The world would be safer and more peaceful and everyone would be happy Wink Ok, so it wouldn't be that perfect, but it would be a hell of a lot more successful than Bush's plan.

I didn't ask Bondo (or Bucc), I asked BFG.  Would the REAL BFG please stand up?  Please Stand up.
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« Reply #82 on: October 04, 2004, 10:34:15 pm »

True, you asked him, but I answered for myself, and you choose that nice evasion tactic.
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« Reply #83 on: October 04, 2004, 10:40:14 pm »

True, you asked him, but I answered for myself, and you choose that nice evasion tactic.

Not really being evasive.  I know there are lots of good arguments out there for doing things differently...I just wanted to know what the all-knowing BFG thought.
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« Reply #84 on: October 04, 2004, 11:51:05 pm »

Better question.  Why does every intellegence agency in the world now think they were wrong?

That's an easy one.  They are all trying to cover their asses because the WMD's were not found in Iraq.  They went to Syria, more than likely.  That would be my next target.  Syria and Iran, possibly.

More info on the WMD issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/international/middleeast/03tube.html?ei=5090&en=2e1cdcc5b66e0332&ex=1254456000&partner=rssuserland&pagewanted=print&position=

"Senior administration officials repeatedly failed to fully disclose the contrary views of America's leading nuclear scientists, an examination by The New York Times has found. They sometimes overstated even the most dire intelligence assessments of the tubes, yet minimized or rejected the strong doubts of nuclear experts. They worried privately that the nuclear case was weak, but expressed sober certitude in public.

One result was a largely one-sided presentation to the public that did not convey the depth of evidence and argument against the administration's most tangible proof of a revived nuclear weapons program in Iraq"

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"Suddenly, Joe's work was ending up in classified intelligence reports being read in the White House. Indeed, his analysis was the primary basis for one of the agency's first reports on the tubes, which went to senior members of the Bush administration on April 10, 2001. The tubes, the report asserted, "have little use other than for a uranium enrichment program."

This alarming assessment was immediately challenged by the Energy Department, which builds centrifuges and runs the government's nuclear weapons complex.

The next day, Energy Department officials ticked off a long list of reasons why the tubes did not appear well suited for centrifuges. Simply put, the analysis concluded that the tubes were the wrong size - too narrow, too heavy, too long - to be of much practical use in a centrifuge.

What was more, the analysis reasoned, if the tubes were part of a secret, high-risk venture to build a nuclear bomb, why were the Iraqis haggling over prices with suppliers all around the world? And why weren't they shopping for all the other sensitive equipment needed for centrifuges?

All fine questions. But if the tubes were not for a centrifuge, what were they for?"


It's a great article that really gets to the heart of the problem in this Adminstration's intelengence.  It's not that they didn't have good intel.  It's that they filtered out all possiblities that they didn't agree with. If you'd like some insight into how we went to war and what went wrong with our intelegence, give this one a read.





Back to the debate:
You can get with this, or you can get with that...

Heh.

http://www.looptvandfilm.com/blog/this_or_that.mov
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« Reply #85 on: October 05, 2004, 05:11:34 am »

Bush had ear piece in debate? http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=3562  
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« Reply #86 on: October 05, 2004, 01:33:51 pm »

lol thats amazing... Surely he didn't have an ear piece, its not allowed in those things is it?

Did anyone notice the strings as well, im sure i caught the glimpse of the pupetteer controling bush Wink oh wait, thats the administration and Big US business.
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« Reply #87 on: October 09, 2004, 03:55:42 am »

OMG, Bush is getting raped !! I've never seen Kerry like that .
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« Reply #88 on: October 09, 2004, 04:15:03 am »

Did Kerry learn to catch a football?  No.

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« Reply #89 on: October 09, 2004, 05:25:08 am »

bobby I agree...that's the impression I got watching...

How is it that people are actually disagreeing with that assessment?
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« Reply #90 on: October 09, 2004, 06:57:11 am »

bobby I agree...that's the impression I got watching...

How is it that people are actually disagreeing with that assessment?

Ok...are we still talking about last Thursday or are we now talking about tonight. I would have given Bush the win tonight if he had answered the final question properly and actually given specific examples of mistakes he made.

Obviously Kerry dominated the first debate though.
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