Presidential Debate

["Sixhits"]

All these links and stuff come from all these liberal sites. Maybe if it was reliable.

Anyways, Kerry had so many different positions on every matter my head was spinning. He said something like "Saddam wasn't a threat but when we captured him he was." Shit like that is all that pisses me off. You are acting like Kerry is god and he makes no mistakes. They are there you just simply don't look for them.

Sigh.  Jeez man.

Almost all the links I post are direct links to the non-partisan websites that post raw info, data, or analysis.

For example, my transcript of Bush's words is directly from CNN and is a transcript, not my own confabulation of Bush's quotes. My analysis is my own. I fully disclose my opinions. AND I post facts, not made up quote, dude.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/01/debate.transcript.10/index.html

You are not quoting Kerry. You are making shit up. You want me to post details or to be more accurate? Don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.

I am not acting like Kerry is god. I am acting like Kerry is the clearly beter choice. That's it.

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

I recent heard from a friend who ws in iraq during the original rush to bagdad.... He said that they actulay indeed found WMD in oraq.. but the weapons were not classified as wmd by the UN so they had to repost them as not being wmd.. but he said from the looks of them they were wmd.

Right.  They found them.  But the UN told them they weren't wmds.  SO Bush, the man who defied the UN to go to war, didn't trumpet the findings of these errant wmds.  

"By the looks of them." -- does your boy have x-ray eyes? Is he trained to work with nukes, chemicals, and bio tech?

Bullshit man, bullshit.  

Well to be honest with you.. this person went into the navy in the nuclear program.. servered his 6 yes he had to server in the program.. and was working for a research institute around here... after 9/11 he reinlisted in the ARMY this time.. so yes.. I would say he knows what he is talking about.

[*DAMN Bondo]

Wait, so our forum's very own Lee.Harvey knows more about the state of Iraqi WMD than does any of the American weapon inspectors, like David Kay, that have been sent to look around Iraq, and have found no evidence of a working WMD program. How honored we are of your presence and we hope you'll honor us with a shred of proof other than talking out of you ass.

[BFG]

Thats weird... Since every scrap of evidence and information we seem to have recieved says that there have been were and are not any WMDs in Iraq - or anything even close to WMDs. the worst he seemed to have were some small missiles....

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

hey.. I'm going on what he told me.. and what he said he saw with his own eyes.. and I gave you his past expirence with it... Up to you weather you belive him or not... Al I know is that he said what they found was not technicaly WMD by UN standards... but that was only b/c they were lacking certain quilities (parts) to classify them as such. Thats what he sad.. take it or leave it.

["Sixhits"]

And back to the discussion.  Here's a little comment from the very conservative Tucker Carlson.

"No matter how you feel about Bush, watching him speak is difficult. It?s like watching a drunk man cross an icy street," - Tucker Carlson, last night on Real Time with Bill Maher.


Tuck = not a liberal

Finally, some honesty from the right.

[spike]

Wait, so our forum's very own Lee.Harvey knows more about the state of Iraqi WMD than does any of the American weapon inspectors, like David Kay, that have been sent to look around Iraq, and have found no evidence of a working WMD program. How honored we are of your presence and we hope you'll honor us with a shred of proof other than talking out of you ass.

YOU JUST GOT SERVED

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I love when I hear you guys repeat the media and say there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.  What a crock of shit.  What, do you guys really believe that EVERY intelligence agency on EARTH was wrong???  The better question to ask is "WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY SEND THEIR WMDs?".  As for me, and many of my friends I've talked to in various intelligence agencies, those WMDs are more than likely now in Syria.  Syria and Iran should be our next targets in the War on Terrorism.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.[/size]

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

Wait, so our forum's very own Lee.Harvey knows more about the state of Iraqi WMD than does any of the American weapon inspectors, like David Kay, that have been sent to look around Iraq, and have found no evidence of a working WMD program. How honored we are of your presence and we hope you'll honor us with a shred of proof other than talking out of you ass.

YOU JUST GOT SERVED

No. i didnt get "served.. I mearly stated some info.. that came from a repatible scorce.. Like I said in the post B4.. its up to you weather you want to belive it.. But I guess you are soooo Hell bent that the war is wronge that you dont care what anyone has to say...

[spike]

Was that adressed to me? I wasn't talking about your views or anything, I was merely remarking upon the fact that Bondo served you up some smack down.

[*DAMN Bondo]

Actually, GhostSniper, the UN and Hans Blix did not think Saddam had WMD.

Saddam's chemical and biological weapons have expiration dates (that stuff doesn't last forever) and the last reported manufacture of it was before the 91 war...it has long since become non-lethal. As for the nuclear capabilities, the Niger thing was a hoax. Saddam may have had programs present to be able to get these WMD at some point when the UN had dropped sanctions or stopped keeping an eye on them. However, they didn't have them presently as Bush claimed and they were not an active threat. This isn't what the press says, this is what the intelligence says. Even the US intelligence was heavily qualified.

The only thing that was so sure about Saddam's WMD was the bullshit intelligence Ahmad Chalabi gave us...and he is a tool of Iran.

[Cossack]

FSB intel said their were weapons in Iraq as well. Not to mention MI6 and Mossad. So, there were a few intel agencies that got fooled in additon to the CIA.

[jn.loudnotes]

Have you read the CIA's actual report on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction?  Though used to justify thousands of deaths, the report doesn't really come down with all that much certainty about the illegal weapons.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.htm

Most statements in the report are qualified in some way - "probably," "very likely," etc.  It's pretty convincing that they're there, but with the hindsight of our not having found any, you've got to take the actual statements into account.

[BFG]

OK someone just posted somthing really funny on the forum. Would someone mind explaining this to me - i think the guy apparently served in the US military so im guessing he knows a little bit about armaments and a bit about  WMDs etc:

I love when I hear you guys repeat the media and say there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.? What a crock of shit.? What, do you guys really believe that EVERY intelligence agency on EARTH was wrong? The better question to ask is "WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY SEND THEIR WMDs?".? As for me, and many of my friends I've talked to in various intelligence agencies, those WMDs are more than likely now in Syria.? Syria and Iran should be our next targets in the War on Terrorism.

I wonder whether he has ever heard of People called "Weapons Inspecters" a group of scientists and military personel and other relevant groups who are considered to be the most informed, knowledgable and experiecned people in their area of expertese.
I wonder if he also is aware that what he has posted is total bullshit - Not every intelligence serivice was wrong - They didn't all say iraq had WMDs in the first place. The fact that the Joint British American Intelligence presented has allready been found to be totally flawed and incorrect might just be a tiny little issue that he conveniently "overlooked"

We joke over here that the American Government and some individuals are so stupid that their next move will be to Invade Syria or Iran... Its only funny because its stuch a stupid idea. I wonder whether they can fullfill the steriotype.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

We joke over here that the American Government and some individuals are so stupid that their next move will be to Invade Syria or Iran... Its only funny because its stuch a stupid idea. I wonder whether they can fullfill the steriotype.

Tell you what, BFG.  All I hear on this forum is how everything that we are doing to fight the War on Terrorism is wrong, stupid, and not they way it should be fought.  How all we are doing is making the world hate us.

Well, Mr Smarter-than-everyone-else.....tell me how we should be fighting the War on Terrorism.  Tell me what our next move should be.  Because, evidentally, you have all the fucking answers in life and we should be listening to you.

["Sixhits"]

I love when I hear you guys repeat the media and say there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq.  What a crock of shit.  What, do you guys really believe that EVERY intelligence agency on EARTH was wrong???  The better question to ask is "WHERE THE FUCK DID THEY SEND THEIR WMDs?".  As for me, and many of my friends I've talked to in various intelligence agencies, those WMDs are more than likely now in Syria.  Syria and Iran should be our next targets in the War on Terrorism.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.[/size]

Better question.  Why does every intellegence agency in the world now think they were wrong?

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Better question.  Why does every intellegence agency in the world now think they were wrong?

That's an easy one.  They are all trying to cover their asses because the WMD's were not found in Iraq.  They went to Syria, more than likely.  That would be my next target.  Syria and Iran, possibly.

["Sixhits"]

Or maybe it's because they were wrong.

The Emperor has no clothes.

[c| Lone-Wolf]

Sixhits, you just made my day.

[*DAMN Bondo]

Ghost Sniper, the way I would do it, i.e. the right way, would be first to focus on cleaning up Bush's mess. Second, with a rebuilt intelligence community and larger special forces I would focus on precision attacks against terrorist cells around the world. However, attacking soverign nations (Syria or Iran or whatever) would not be the plan, it is wrong to do that without very strong international support or direct threat, but we can do the small opperations unilaterally. I would use diplomacy (bilateral talks, multilateral talks, the UN) to deal with problems with governments of soverign nations.

As a result of this policy, terrorists would be attacked without massive civilian deaths, thus they would be hurt without helping their cause, we would have more respect to make international deals and we would successfully have these countries under control and could slowly push them in the direction of democracy and freedom. The world would be safer and more peaceful and everyone would be happy Ok, so it wouldn't be that perfect, but it would be a hell of a lot more successful than Bush's plan.

P.S. My final, comprehensive commentary about the first debate is here.