Presidential Debate

[Maniac]

Then keep it to you're self and stop talking about things that are off topic and irrelevant. We are not trying to flame here.

[crypt]

Roger that, sorry spetsnaz.

I guess it could be relavant to kerry not being able to catch a football. but back on topic. maybe we could get soem more bush supporters in here (smart ones) to help point other things out.

[jn.loudnotes]

Call me on this if you think I'm wrong.

Nope, I think you're exactly right.  And I'm relieved to see you, as someone I've disagreed with over some issues, still make the objective argument.  I'm not going to bother posting my thoughts on the debate because it'd be impossible to see them as unbiased, but I think the most telling analysis is of how people are "spinning" the results.

[cookie]

And I'm relieved to see you, as someone I've disagreed with over some issues, still make the objective argument.?

 I can't recall anything we've disagreed upon, the morality argument aside. Then again, I have terrible memory.

I think the most telling analysis is of how people are "spinning" the result.

Thus the media networks have yet to declare a "winner", though one would think in a one on one debate the result would have to be fairly obvious. Ultimately, the spin put on the arguments, and not their prima facie value, will determine who "won". It's too bad, really.

[geekusa]

anyone who was actually paying attention to the debate tonight should have realized:

bush got fried tonight. half of his "answers" were nothing more than verbal diarrhea and bumbling contradictions. he could barely manage to repeat kerry's answers, let alone come up with coherent retorts for them.

i neednt say more.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Latest polls:

CNN / GALLUP POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE

Kerry: 53
Bush: 37


CBS POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:

Kerry: 44
Bush: 26
Tie: 30


ABC POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:

Kerry: 45
Bush 36:
Tie: 17

[*DAMN Bondo]

Cookie, I actually think you are right to a large degree. I think Kerry could have done an even better job making his stance firm, (which really in all honesty has been consistent, I could get a number of newspaper article links of journalists analyzing his statements and coming to this conclusion) but he did at least not fail to address this at all.

To add to Spetsnaz's numbers, the online polls for CNN and MSNBC have Kerry with 70-78% and Bush with 18-30%...I think in objective terms it is pretty clear Kerry won the style/skill part of the debate. There will still be the ideologic/agenda differences that determine whether someone actually likes what they are hearing, but when it comes to undecideds who do not strongly lean towards either side, that Kerry did better in this way is a benefit to Kerry.

So I respect people who think Kerry is wrong and Bush is right (if they explain it,) but I don't necessarily respect people who say Bush did better tonight.

[c| Lone-Wolf]

You know what stumped me?  Bush getting into how we're spending a lot of time and money on missile defense systems to defend the country.

From the way he was talking, the nukes capable of landing on where i live (Seattle) from North Korea were second burner, while he was beating the dead horse of terrorists with WMDs as much as he was and has been, it made me wonder this:  How do missile defense systems stop a suitcase nuke, or keep someone with an aerosol can full of Anthrax out of the country?

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

I recent heard from a friend who ws in iraq during the original rush to bagdad.... He said that they actulay indeed found WMD in oraq.. but the weapons were not classified as wmd by the UN so they had to repost them as not being wmd.. but he said from the looks of them they were wmd.

[seth]

Latest polls:

CNN / GALLUP POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE

Kerry: 53
Bush: 37


CBS POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:

Kerry: 44
Bush: 26
Tie: 30


ABC POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:

Kerry: 45
Bush 36:
Tie: 17

on MSNBC:

Updated: 10:26 p.m. ET Sept. 30, 2004

Pres. Bush
31%
Sen. Kerry
69%



winner by KO: KERRY !

[Mr. Lothario]

     What's Fox's poll say? I want my fair and balanced reporting, damnit!

[BFG]

LOL loth. Yeah forget the resst we need fox.

Ps. wish to god i could have watched it... although id have only probably ended up screaming at the TV and given myself a heartattack

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

you can prob find a torrent up somewhere for it if you look hard enough

[spike]

My friends played a drinking game with it. The rule: everytime one of them said something that made you want to reach through to TV and strangle them, take a shot.

[BFG]

OMG where they trying to kill themselves? How many managed not to get rushed to hospital to have their stomachs pumped?

[lazyabe]

go to c-span.org, you can watch a stream of it.
I thought Kerry shined in the debate. Bush was visibly uncomfortable and just kept repeating the same old stuff over and over again.

[seth]

    What's Fox's poll say? I want my fair and balanced reporting, damnit!

all other major networks had a poll, i'm wondering why Fox did not...... oh yes thats right, because Bush lost the debate !

[BTs_GhostSniper]

    What's Fox's poll say? I want my fair and balanced reporting, damnit!

all other major networks had a poll, i'm wondering why Fox did not...... oh yes thats right, because Bush lost the debate !

Fox is running a poll:

Who won the 1st Presidential Debate?

Bush  42%

Kerry  36%

Tie      16%

Didn't watch  5%

None of the Above  1%

So far, 13,399 People have taken the poll.

[*DAMN Bondo]

Fox made theirs less visible. Bush is barely winning at the conservative's favorite news channel. It is less reliable than the others though, 50,000 votes on Fox compared to 1.6 million on MSNBC; 350,000 on CNN.

In the past 12 hours it seems the trend has been towards Bush...but that may be a sign that what happened in 2000 is happening again. Those that actually watched the debates in 2000 favored Gore, those who simply read about it favored Bush. It seems like the uninformed may lean towards Bush again this time.

[seth]

Fox made theirs less visible. Bush is barely winning at the conservative's favorite news channel.

plus people voting on fox are more likely to vote for Bush since its a conservative channel.