Getting America Back on Track

["Sixhits"]

With the selection of John Edwards as the vice presidential candidate it looks like the Dems have shaped up a great ticket.

Strong foreign policy leadership backed by a brilliant and hopeful domestic message.

Too tired to post anything longer than this ...

Everybody, welcome to the next four years of your life.

[The Golden Shark]

Everybody, welcome to the next four years of your life.

hopefully..... i am still really scared that more bullshit will fire out from the bush cronies right at the last minute. and Dub ya will take the prize. (I am a believer that our government had a part in 9/11.)

[KoS.Rebel]

3rd world country HERE WE COME!

[BTs_Mysterio]

Rebel, I think it will be better to have someone with a IQ higher than rabid's. (I'm saying Bush is a moron)

[The Golden Shark]

3rd world country HERE WE COME!

if by this statement you mean Bush's "war on terror" and the next attackts that will happen if he is re-elected, then i totally agree. The 3rd world countries are the easiest to conquer, and it makes us look more powerful when we win in 2 weeks. I mean hey, would you kick a crippled man's ass to make your self good, of course you would. ( i rhymed, hehehe.......)

[cO.Kuza]

Six i think we need to focus on getting you back on track... DONT BUY A PC!!!!

[Cossack]

The Kerry administration will go down on hard times. The damage the Bush admin has already done can not be fixed in four years. Hell, we havent seen the start of the domestic crisis.

Republicans may laud themselves over the 1.5 million jobs they just created, but do you know what sort of jobs those are? Educated High Tech workers are working in blue-collar jobs that can barely pay the rent much less the college debts they already have.

I can grind the republicans on their domestic policy till the three horseman come home (so I will). Back in the days of Clinton I had health care. Today, I am uninsured as is my whole family. If I get into some unfortunate accident, I have to choose to have a crippled arm or a college education. Hell, I will probablly get neither treatment or college. I am not the only one in this situation. Lets look at Bush's so-called homestate. I live in Texas where the weather is unpridictable, the women are the prettyist "thangs" you ever did see, and most children are uninsured and live below the poverty line. Not only that, the one child left behind-like policy implemented in Texas long before Bush was declared the victor of the 2000 travesty in the Texas House of Representatives, has made Texas have one of the lowest education standards in the nation. Only the state of Missisippi is considered to have a more degraded education system.

The no child left behind policy is also making schools shut its doors. Let me use the example of a local alternative high school here called Garza. Garza takes troubled children that otherwise flounder in the traditional setting and make them into well to do citizens. 75% of graduates go on to college. This is remarkable for a Texas public high school. However, it takes many of these students a little bit extra time to graduate. Life usually deals them a bad hand. In some cased both of the child's parents are dead or not there for them. Infact, over a third of the student body is leagally homeless (living out of their car) and have to support themselves with a full time job. Since it takes them longer than the standard four years, the Bush law labels them failures. With so many "failures" in the school, the school can be shut down by the state. The same state that would rather pay our school taxes with "sin tax" then raise already low property taxes sligtly higher so that the future could have some sort of an education. This is all Bush's policy being enacted in Texas, just wait for it to happen in the nation.

Although you have to subscribe to read the whole story, here is a link to the Texas Monthly article about Garza and an article explaining to Texans why the world hates us: http://www.texasmonthly.com/mag/issues/2004-07-01/index.php Its better than no link at all.

    If a Texas run by purely Bush policies is a precursor for the nation, then we are to expect an increase in blue collar jobs, rising poverty levels, lack of funding for education, hordes of uninsured families, and an overall degredation of the enviorment and nation's infastructure. To put it in Rebel's words, "3rd world country HERE WE COME!"

[BTs_GhostSniper]

OMG!  Do you all get the same Democrat talking points memo faxed to you every day???

I for one DO have health insurance now, and I did not after I got out of the military during CLINTON's reign.  I also now make about 5 times what I made the day Clinton left office.  And I didn't even get my current job until AFTER September 11, 2001.  And then the tax cuts I recieved with my new job have allowed me to keep much more of my hard earned money than I ever would have if a Democrat were still in office.

So pardon me while I praise President Bush and say fuck the Democrats!

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

[BTs_FahQ2]

Well,

Being a bit schooled in economics, you should all well know that the Clinton years were all high and mighty do to very bad domestic policies.  Why do you think the economy of America got so over inflated.  Must I remind you that the economy took a downturn at the end of the Clinton administratin and Bush just inherited the mess.  

Now I must say that Bush has really done nothing to resolve the matter.  I am not sticking up for him.  In actuality he has pretty much done nothing to aleviate the matter, the tax cuts created a false influx of spending but had no real long lasting effects.  In fact, me being a single non property owner, my taxes went up.  So Bush's tax cuts increased mine and paid for GS I guess, well him and the 5 million illegal aliens in california.

So please, I am a independant but do not laude clinton for superior economic policies.  We are in fact coming out of a bad recession that his administration created.  You can just thank Bush for not doing anything about it, but in doing so, we are actually slowly turning around.  Most economists believe we could of shortened the length if swift action was taken.

As for the healthcare issue, this is due to a long policy of state missmanagement.  It is just that most people hope the National government would step in and cure the problems; ie: money to states for welfare, national health plans and so forth.  But in doing this is only to raise taxes more.  

I could go much lengthier into the topics but I just wanted to end all of the horrah's for who thinks who did good and bad.  As for texas, man, that is mighty interesting about the schooling policies.  Good find!

(added, after reading through some journal articles, most leading economists and investors believe we are in another false economy.  This means another adjustment (drop in stock prices) is on the horizon.  All leading indicators are showing this and as the percentage rates hedge higher, many people will go into bankruptcy because they purchased flexible house loans and such.  This will all lead to what may be another big long wake of shit for a while to come.)

[Cossack]

I do not get any memos sent out to me. I was just eating lunch at the state capital the other day and started thinking about the bind the state is in. Then I got to thinking about the bind the nation is in. Its not that I laud Clinton so much for the prosporous times under his term (although I understand that it came off that way in the post), but compare different times and different regions of the country. I can look at the politics of everything and who did what to the economy, the point is, is that in 1998 I had healthcare, people had highly skilled jobs, and the education standards are no where as bad as they are today. I know Texas has been under Bush's policies for close to a decade now, and it laggs behind in healthcare, education, and the enviorment drasticaly. It could serve as a precursor to the next four to eight years (I say eight because even though he would be out of office, the effect of his policies would still linger).

Those are the facts, as for how those facts came to be, that is a matter for us to determine.

The point is, it dosent matter if you GhostSniper are living in a mansion, the poverty rates are rising. Now I know the census is slow on these sorts of things, so here is the national poverty statistics. You will notice that once 2001 rolled around the corner, that poverty began to rise, breaking its eight year downward trend. http://www.census.gov/hhes/poverty/poverty02/pov02fig1.jpg If you also look at the trend, it shows that poverty decreases in democratic administration. JFK-LBJ rates drop like a rock. Nixon they are neutral, and in Reagan they skyrocket! Even twenty years after Reagan we have not been able to get back down to LBJ-Nixon poverty rates. I do not know what the 2003 poverty rate is, as the census is slow. However, if Texas is a precursor to the nation it might look a little bit something like this: http://www.cppp.org/products/fastfacts/poverty.html

GS, I would also like to know your point. Is your point that mangerial positions have healthcare? Is your point that private manegeral positions make more money than USAF sargeant?

[BTs_FahQ2]

Sorry Cossack,

But I must point out some false logic in your points

It could serve as a precursor to the next four to eight years (I say eight because even though he would be out of office, the effect of his policies would still linger).

Under this statement and thinking, that would mean the clinton years of good times and prosperity were a result of lingering first George Bush's policies and the bad times of the current Bush's presidency  would be an effect of the Clinton administration.  So you can't fix the good times for a president that you think did well and then be ready to blame the future on a incumbent presidents policies. It just seems to make the arguement fit where you would like to see it.  Maybe this was not your intent but it is misleading.

As for texas, I can agree that his policies were a direct misfortune for the state as I read it.  I am unfamiliar with the polices and government of texas so I cannot be so certian, but you do have a valid point there.

[Cossack]

Well as I said I made it sound like a praise Clinton for the economy of 90s but I do not. When I say the under the times of Clinton I am saying the mid to late 90s. The whole mess is bipatisan. I blame Bush (or whoever is running him) for the complete degredation of our health system and other social services. I also blame him for the fact that he is cutting taxes and reducing income for the government in a time where we need to somehow increase it.

I do hope you read the next half of my post, as you first posted this when I was editing it.

[seth]

I for one DO have health insurance now, and I did not after I got out of the military during CLINTON's reign.
-GhostSniper Out.[/color][/size]

thats why you need to see Moore's documentary: apparently, Bush did some "great" things for the veterans and for the combat soldier's health care

[BTs_GhostSniper]

GS, I would also like to know your point. Is your point that mangerial positions have healthcare? Is your point that private manegeral positions make more money than USAF sargeant?

No, it isn't that managerial positions have healthcare.  I got out of the military on September 18, 1998.  I immediately went into the auto business at a large dealership that sold Pontiac-Buick-GMC-Chevy-Cadillac-Olds-Chrysler-Plymouth-Dodge-Jeep-Geo-Mazda (try telling someone THAT on the phone fast!).  At the time, the auto business wasn't doing very well, and the dealership didn't have a healthcare insurance company for its employees.  I was making about $25,000 a year, but after taxes I still couldn't afford private healthcare (my wife has been a Type I Diabetic since she was 5....nearly impossible to get private healthcare for her).  I left the auto business for about a year, from August of 2000 to the end of September 2001 (I tried many other jobs like working for a moving company, selling air conditioners, selling houses).  After that didn't go to well, September 11 happened and I decided to get back into the car business.  I started work as a car salesman again on September 27, 2001.  After working hard for 2 years, I was promoted to Fleet Sales Manager in August 2003.  I have had health insurance for me, my wife, and my daughter since the first day I started working here in 2001.  The day that Clinton left office I was making about $35,000 a year (now that I think about it, that was way under the 5 times I make now that I said earlier).  Today I make around $250,000 a year.  Only because of the boost in the economy that Bush provided with his tax cuts.

My point was that I wasn't a Staff Sgt in the Air Force the day Clinton left office (I had gotten out of the military over 2 years before that...due mainly to Clinton's terrible military policies), but my life has changed for the better only after Bush took office.

So, you see where I'm coming from....die hard Bush supporter all the way.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

[Mr. Lothario]

     Regarding Cossack and Fah's points about the lingering effects of economic policies, I think my political science professor said it best when he compared economic management to operating a bicycle while sitting on it backwards; deciding where to steer and how hard to pedal based only on the road behind you.

     Economic manipulations take lots of time to take effect. Once enough time has passed to make past trends noticeable, an economic policy change is made, and six to eighteen months later, you might be able to tell what the effect of that change was.

[KoS.Rebel]

Timeline:

Kerry elected president
2days later

BOOOOOOM Nuke blows in New York City due to the release of iraquis in guantanamo bay

2days later

Another violent attack that was not stopped by the Kerry organization happened this time in San Fransisco

2 days later

Washington DC is nuked, America's government falls, Economy collapses, America is now a 3rd world country.

2days later

Rebel hunts down all the people that loved Kerry and assassinates them, along with the help of GhostSniper.

Rebel and GS rule the US

[crypt]

Very creative, Rebel.

[Mr. Lothario]

     Wait, there are Iraquis in Cuba? I thought it was just American citizens being held in violation of the Constitution. Silly me.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Timeline B:

Bush steals the election again.
2 days later

BOOOOMPOP a dirty bomb containing anthrax is released in NYC, due to the exacerbation of islamic fundamentalism brought on by a unilateral, preemptive foreign policy. Bush and Cheney watch with glee from their secure bunker in Langly.

2 days later

Marshall law is declared and the Bill of Rights is voided. Patriot Act 3 is passed, declaring due process a hindrance to the war on terror. American citizens are systematically searched and any dissent is dealt with harshly.

2 days later

Neocons cease this opportunity to enact their "final solution", and strategically use the remaining citizens of the United States as the fuel for their war machine in an effort to secure global domination.

2 days later

The United States nuclear arsenal is utilized to stamp out global opposition, however this plan back fires and the world is cast into permanent nuclear winter. Plant and animal life cease to exists after 3 months of darkness.

1 day later

Jesus comes back to earth and laughs, stating "Didn't I say blessed be the meek? Not blessed be the greedy, prideful, warmongers, dumb fucks serves you right for letting a man with a 6th grade vocabulary steal your democracy."

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Timeline B:
Bush steals the election again.

w00t!  That's the part I want to see....all the rest is just GRAVY!  lol[/size]