The OFFICIAL Farenheit 9/11 Thread

[Mr.Mellow]

Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore are the same type of people: little pieces of shit that talk like blubbering vaginas. I'd love to see the two of them do a debate sometime, it'd be funny. They're too stubborn to see past their own points and admit when they're wrong. Anyhoo. Just my opinion.  

[BTs_Mysterio]

Mellow sometimes you prove just how deserving of your "title" you are.

[Mr.Mellow]

lol. I can't kiss everyone's ass. or...did you mean whore? ooh. I'll hike my skirt up for you, Mysty.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Down mellow.

[The Golden Shark]

i walked out of this theatre feeling, so angry, so betrayed. on the up note. i heard like 3 people say "well, im not voting for him again..." just like that. its cool to hear things like that.


Liberals 1000000000000000000
Rebublicans -10000000000
GS n/a

[BTs_Mysterio]

Objection, we all know GS is Republican to the power of suck. Who has a calculator?

[Typhy]

Just finished watching it. Definently better than Moore's first two films. Almost all interviews/quotes, rather than Moore rambling on about his personal opinion.

He did a good job explaining how slowly things got moving after 9/11.

Up until the war in Iraq, I supported the Bush regime, and would've supported Bush over almost any democratic challenger. I supported the war in Iraq. Given the intelligence findings presented by Powell and other members of the Bush regime, I thought that it was important to take down Iraq before they had the option to damage the US.

I still supported the war until a month or so after Bush had "declared" it over. Then the facts started coming in. Bush had lied to America. There were no WMDs in Iraq.

I'm not going to say the war was completly about oil, however, that was a motive. Right before the invasion of Iraq, US Navy SEALs went in to hold oil fields in Iraq to prevent the Iraqis from lighting them on fire. Thousands of people are getting killed, and the first thing we think of is protecting the oil? Give me a break.

I enjoyed listening to Moore blast the Bush regime. It felt like a little bit of justice. However, it's nothing like what I'll feel when John Kerry becomes the next president.  

[alaric]

I'm not going to say the war was completly about oil, however, that was a motive. Right before the invasion of Iraq, US Navy SEALs went in to hold oil fields in Iraq to prevent the Iraqis from lighting them on fire. Thousands of people are getting killed, and the first thing we think of is protecting the oil? Give me a break.

Actually, that was a good move on their part. Without the oil, Iraq would have no major source of income and therefore no future. If you want to ensure that Iraq becomes the next terrorist capital of the world, take away it's only way to support itself.

[BTs_Mysterio]

If you want to insure that Iraq doesn't become the next terrorist capital, leave the troops there for many many years to come.

[SK]

First of all the US troops wont be out of iraq for like 10 years.  He says that well leave when its simmered down.  Shites gonna fuck with suines* vice versa and we wont leave

Bush and his cronies are pilles of shit.  Lotta my friends says some of the pictures dont look real, but its hard to think its bullshit when theres hours of film

Lets Hope
                           

[seth]

well after waiting almost 30 mn in the line, i finally got my ticket to see Moore's documentary. I gotta say i'm surprised by the popularity of F9/11 in the county where i live, since its very rich and mostly republican.

Anyway, the movie was nice, but i didnt learn anything, and thats what pisses me off. Judging by the viewers reaction, i can tell most of the facts related where unknown to the americans.

I liked the interviews with the soldiers in Irak, showing 2 kinds of soldiers, those who kill people (i'm not assuming about who they kill) while listening to some hard music, kinda like a game for them, and those realizing the possibility of the loss of innocent lives.
I also liked that old lady saying she was duped.
There were some though images, the coffins, the veterans, the mother.... shows the other side of the war, the one that the gouvernment doesnt want you to be aware of.

Anyway, i'll suggest this documentary to anyone.

Edit: one thing that striked me, is when Bush is in that school, and he learns that 2 planes just crashed into the World Trade Center in NYC. And he just sits there, takes a book and starts reading.  wtf !!!

[alaric]

Another good article that sums up my feelings on the movie.

Moore's Public Service

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Moore's Public Service
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Since it opened, "Fahrenheit 9/11" has been a hit in both blue and red America, even at theaters close to military bases. Last Saturday, Dale Earnhardt Jr. took his Nascar crew to see it. The film's appeal to working-class Americans, who are the true victims of George Bush's policies, should give pause to its critics, especially the nervous liberals rushing to disassociate themselves from Michael Moore.

There has been much tut-tutting by pundits who complain that the movie, though it has yet to be caught in any major factual errors, uses association and innuendo to create false impressions. Many of these same pundits consider it bad form to make a big fuss about the Bush administration's use of association and innuendo to link the Iraq war to 9/11. Why hold a self-proclaimed polemicist to a higher standard than you hold the president of the United States?

And for all its flaws, "Fahrenheit 9/11" performs an essential service. It would be a better movie if it didn't promote a few unproven conspiracy theories, but those theories aren't the reason why millions of people who aren't die-hard Bush-haters are flocking to see it. These people see the film to learn true stories they should have heard elsewhere, but didn't. Mr. Moore may not be considered respectable, but his film is a hit because the respectable media haven't been doing their job.

For example, audiences are shocked by the now-famous seven minutes, when George Bush knew the nation was under attack but continued reading "My Pet Goat" with a group of children. Nobody had told them that the tales of Mr. Bush's decisiveness and bravery on that day were pure fiction.

Or consider the Bush family's ties to the Saudis. The film suggests that Mr. Bush and his good friend Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the ambassador known to the family as Bandar Bush, have tried to cover up the extent of Saudi involvement in terrorism. This may or may not be true. But what shocks people, I think, is the fact that nobody told them about this side of Mr. Bush's life.

Mr. Bush's carefully constructed persona is that of an all-American regular guy ? not like his suspiciously cosmopolitan opponent, with his patrician air. The news media have cheerfully gone along with the pretense. How many stories have you seen contrasting John Kerry's upper-crusty vacation on Nantucket with Mr. Bush's down-home time at the ranch?

But the reality, revealed by Mr. Moore, is that Mr. Bush has always lived in a bubble of privilege. And his family, far from consisting of regular folks with deep roots in the heartland, is deeply enmeshed, financially and personally, with foreign elites ? with the Saudis in particular.

Mr. Moore's greatest strength is a real empathy with working-class Americans that most journalists lack. Having stripped away Mr. Bush's common-man mask, he uses his film to make the case, in a way statistics never could, that Mr. Bush's policies favor a narrow elite at the expense of less fortunate Americans ? sometimes, indeed, at the cost of their lives.

In a nation where the affluent rarely serve in the military, Mr. Moore follows Marine recruiters as they trawl the malls of depressed communities, where enlistment is the only way for young men and women to escape poverty. He shows corporate executives at a lavish conference on Iraq, nibbling on canap?s and exulting over the profit opportunities, then shows the terrible price paid by the soldiers creating those opportunities.

The movie's moral core is a harrowing portrait of a grieving mother who encouraged her children to join the military because it was the only way they could pay for their education, and who lost her son in a war whose justification she no longer understands.

Viewers may come away from Mr. Moore's movie believing some things that probably aren't true. For example, the film talks a lot about Unocal's plans for a pipeline across Afghanistan, which I doubt had much impact on the course of the Afghan war. Someday, when the crisis of American democracy is over, I'll probably find myself berating Mr. Moore, who supported Ralph Nader in 2000, for his simplistic antiglobalization views.

But not now. "Fahrenheit 9/11" is a tendentious, flawed movie, but it tells essential truths about leaders who exploited a national tragedy for political gain, and the ordinary Americans who paid the price.??
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---added the article for those without NYT accounts

[seth]

since a username/pass i needed (i know, its free...) cant you paste the article ?

[BTs_Mysterio]

So one last time, yes or no if I should go to see it.

[seth]

good article, it reflects my opinion on the movie, although i didnt see any conspiracy theory in the documentary.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Then yes?

[seth]

yes

[BTs_Mysterio]

Then I will.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Then yes?

No.

[seth]

first documentary to hit the 100 millions $ mark domestically.

Way to go, baby !