The OFFICIAL Farenheit 9/11 Thread

[alaric]

(Mods, please move all related posts from other threads to this one)

Allow me to preface this by saying in no way am I a Michael Moore fan. I believe he misrepresents facts and statements people have made to suit his political needs/goals.

That said, I went and saw the movie friday night. And it was good. I was quite shocked.

Unlike his previous two movies, this one is pretty strait-forward and he keeps his narration to a minimum. He tends to let the people and the pictures speak for themselves (well, compared to his previous films).

The first half of the movie is concerned with showing the Bush-Saudi relationship. Moore shows the surprising extent of the connections between his family, his friends, and the saudis. Moore doesn't really make the point that this is a bad thing, other than to say that Bush might be looking out for his friends, family and his own investments more than the country. He did not provide enough evidence to convince me of this, however.

I think that it's important for the public at large to know that the president has such extensive business contracts with memebers of foreign powers, but I don't think it's neccesarily bad that such connections exist.

Another major theme of the first half was the moving of the bin laden family out of the US right after 9/11. This is another thing I think people need to know. Right after the biggest mass murder in US history, important character witnesses were given gold passes to fly out of the country. This is reprehensible at best and downright malicious at worst.

Moore also talks about the bush administration's response to 9/11 and asks why it took us so long to put boots on the ground in Afghanistan. Bascially Moore makes the case that the Bush Administration wasn't as interested in bin laden as it was in getting saddam. This is one area where I think he provides enough information to convince me.

The rest of the movie questions the justification of the war and asks if it was worth the cost (which is rising to this day). He does this with a combination of interviews with soldiers in the field and a mom on the homefront. This part was some of the most moving cinema I've seen in a long time. Not since "We Were Soldiers" have I been so close to crying in a movie theatre.

I would go into more depth, but this post is already too long. I will leave the floor open now for further discussion.

[Mr.Mellow]

Haven't seen it yet, not a big Moore fan. I'm surprised he's kept out of the narration. Might make it worth seeing after all. As for Bush shipping out Bin Laden's family right after 9/11, I can see why he did it. It's not some criminal conspiracy, it was to prevent a violent backlash against innocent civilians. Unless they weren't innocent, but that's a whole new can of worms. Anyhoo, maybe I'll see the movie in a few days so I can really have a discussion lol.

[cookie]

i just saw it. i thought the first half was excellent, but when he got into the flint stuff YET AGAIN, and interviewed that woman, i guess it all went downhill in a way.

all in all, a generally well-made film. i laughed hard quite a few times didn't take it all for concrete facts, though.

["Sixhits"]

The movie's good. Made me and my girlfriend cry. In sum, the film acheives what it was trying to achieve -- powerful emotions.

You can't watch this thing and not be moved.

[KoS.Rebel]

I heard it was funny at times. I sure hope they make a movie like this about Kerry when he fucks up the presidency.

[Cossack]

Probablly not because all republican film makers sucks. Not because of the political feelings, they just seem to have no appreciation for the art or how to make it effective.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Probablly not because all republican film makers sucks. Not because of the political feelings, they just seem to have no appreciation for the art or how to make it effective.

How true that is. I will see this movie soon...ish.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

How true that is. I will see this movie soon...ish.

Hmm.....I just though of something.  What if I paid you NOT to see it, Mysterio?

[alaric]

i just saw it. i thought the first half was excellent, but when he got into the flint stuff YET AGAIN, and interviewed that woman, i guess it all went downhill in a way.

all in all, a generally well-made film. i laughed hard quite a few times didn't take it all for concrete facts, though.

That's interesting, I found the first half to be lacking and the second half to be the meatier, more powerful half. As for his facts, I have very few problems with what he states at truth in the movie. Most of it wasn't new information for me. I try very hard to keep up with what's going on in the world and I was able to back up, or at least corroborate most of what he says.

The people who really need to see this movie is the public at large. People who don't have the time to keep up with events. There is much in this movie that I am confident people in the general public don't even know exists. Wether Moore speaks the gospel truth or not is secondary, starting an open and public discussion of these events is what is most important.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Gs, $50 to not see it.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Gs, $50 to not see it.

Wow, that's pretty cheap.  But really, how can I honestly expect a liberal to keep his word?[/size]  

[BFG]

Gs, $50 to not see it.

Which you can then donate to the michael moore fund or the "stop bush fund"

["Sixhits"]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/206962p-178564c.html


Heheh.

The hookers and whores are getting ready for the Grand Ole Party.

>>>
With thousands of Republicans set to invade the city this summer, high-priced escorts and strippers are preparing for one grand old party.

Agencies are flying in extra call girls from around the globe to meet the expected demand during the Aug. 30-Sept. 2 gathering at Madison Square Garden.

"We have girls from London, Seattle, California, all coming in for that week," said a madam at a Manhattan escort service. "It's the week everyone wants to work."

"It's going to be big," agreed one operator at a midtown escort service.

Charging from $300 to upwards of $1,000 for an hour of companionship and a whole lot more, escorts said they can always count on conventioneers for big business.

"It doesn't matter what party you come from," said Robyn Few, a $500-an-hour California call girl who now runs Sex Workers Outreach Project, an advocacy group. "When you want to buy sex, you will."

That's the hope among escort services expecting a windfall from randy Republicans.
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Huuuuuuuuzzah!

[BTs_GhostSniper]

The hookers and whores are getting ready for the Grand Ole Party.

You're a little late with that, Sixhits.  The Rush Limbaugh show reported on that last week.  Would be nice when the liberal media stops using reporting from Conservative Talk Shows for their news.[/size]

[BTs_Mysterio]

Fine GS. I'll seriously not see it in theaters for $100. I like money.

I'll resist the urge to buy it on DVD for and extra $100.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Fine GS. I'll seriously not see it in theaters for $100. I like money.
I'll resist the urge to buy it on DVD for and extra $100.

Well, that just proves another point.  When you get right down to it, even Socialist Liberal Democrat Scum like Mysterio likes CAPITALISM!  lol[/size]

[BTs_Mysterio]

I never said I didn't like money.

[Mr.Grey]

yeah rush limbaugh rocks.... he is such a threat to the left they even made a book about him titled "Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot" i just got back from bastrop today and the whole 3 hour drive i was lisening to rusha nd im here to tell ya ive never seen him caught once without something to counter-argue someone going on a verbal offensive on him. he also get alot of "seminar callers" as he has labeled them.... its democrats calling in saying thier are the purest of all republicans but they trash the rebulican party so they hope other republicans will agree with them cuz they are going under the guise as the right but thier lien thu thier teeth. quote "I'm fet up with Bush and I've been a life long demo-errrrr republican."
and about the stupid movie.... for god's sake people why do you pay to go watch a propaganda movie which when you break it down your paying to see a giant dirty politics t.v. ad..... i mean im a republican but if there was a movie about how my democrat president isnt doing a good job i still wouldnt see it because you see it on the news everyday its nothing new and its an ad

[alaric]

if there was a movie about how my democrat president isnt doing a good job i still wouldnt see it because you see it on the news everyday its nothing new and its an ad

How do you know?

[Mr. Lothario]

     Grey, when you say Rush always has a counter-argument, do you mean he actually has counter-arguments using evidence and logic, or are you referring to Republican "arguments" such as "Clinton was an immoral sinner and look where it's gotten this country", "you're an idiot", "the Liberal media twists everything", or the ever-popular "It sickens me to listen to such unpatriotic bullshit"?