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« on: June 28, 2004, 01:33:34 pm »
So, Iraq is now a sovereing nation, two days ahead of schedule.  It makes sense to bump it forward two days, to throw off any intent of insurgents to do something major on the 30th.  Just caught the tail end of the speeches and such, so i dont have anything particularly controverial or interestign to put out there

Now then! Lets hear what you all think and...*ding ding* LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!!  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2004, 03:20:34 pm »
I just want to know one thing:

If the whole Iraq War was about oil (like the liberal democrats and others on this forum seem to think), then why aren't we raping Iraq for all of its oil???  Why let them have their country back at all?  Why don't we just occupy Iraq forever, make them the 51st State of the United States and let all that oil revenue roll in?

Ahhh, I get it, maybe it wasn't all about the oil in the first place.  Gosh, bet nobody ever thought of that!
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« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2004, 03:45:23 pm »
Perhaps you know where billions of pounds worth of Oil Revenue have disspeared to while being "looked after" by the US possibly?


ps... Good luck to the poor bastards.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2004, 03:47:27 pm »
Quote from: :MoD: BFG on June 28, 2004, 03:45:23 pm
billions of pounds worth of Oil Revenue

Billions of pounds?  What are we looking for....the WEIGHT of the oil or the VALUE of the oil or the WEIGHT OF THE VALUE of the oil???  Man, no wonder I never understand the British!
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2004, 03:48:18 pm »
Lol sorry let me re-phrase that

Billions of Dollars woth of Oil Revenue
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2004, 04:39:15 pm »
Damn GS and BFG must hate eachother. You two found a way to flame eachother a bit on a positive thread.  

Congrats iraq, may you now know some peace.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2004, 05:06:07 pm »
This isn't positive! The Iraqi people don't have the resources to maintain their government. If the US leaves Iraq they won't last a week before chaos starts.
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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2004, 05:08:23 pm »
You think its ugly now... You wait untill the 'security' of iraq is handed over and the US starts to move troops out (which im sure bush will want to do just before elections)

Iraq is still a country at war.... And if Afghanistan is anything to go by then they are in for some pretty bad times.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2004, 05:11:11 pm »
They have a date set for security?
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2004, 05:52:54 pm »
Place your bets now on how long the country will last on its own.


I give it 6 months.
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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2004, 07:04:18 pm »
Quote from: -MP5-SNiPE-a2- on June 28, 2004, 05:52:54 pm
Place your bets now on how long the country will last on its own.


I give it 6 months.

4 months, 19 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, 52 seconds.
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« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2004, 07:30:33 pm »
Guys, you are all a bunch of idiots if you think we will be moving our forces out of Iraq within the next few years.  We still have military bases in Germany and Japan and it has been almost 60 years since the end of WWII.  We will be there for a very very long time.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2004, 07:40:03 pm »
But the majority will be.
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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2004, 07:41:58 pm »
Congrats Iraq with this meaningless gesture you may now begin fighting your own civil war!
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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2004, 07:47:02 pm »
why keep forces in Irak ?

Apparently, 140 000 troups are not able to maintain peace in the country, do you really think the US is going to keep that kind of troops for years. I dont think so. And i'm not even talking about the cost...
And if they leave say 10 000 troups, its not going to make any difference with no troops at all, so what would be the point in leaving anybody behind ?

The US troops based in Germany are not there for security purpose, unlike in Irak. You cant really compare both.
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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2004, 07:55:54 pm »
Quote from: bobby on June 28, 2004, 07:47:02 pm
And i'm not even talking about the cost...

Apparently no one in Washington does.
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2004, 07:57:40 pm »
Quote from: bobby on June 28, 2004, 07:47:02 pm
And if they leave say 10 000 troups, its not going to make any difference with no troops at all, so what would be the point in leaving anybody behind?

Pardon me, but 10,000 U.S. troops can, and have, taken on up to 22 Enemy Divisions (nearly 400,000 troops) and come out alive.  So don't act like 10,000 troops is not a significant force.  I mean, hell, these aren't FRENCH troops we're talking about here.  lol

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The US troops based in Germany are not there for security purpose, unlike in Irak. You cant really compare both.

Yes, the U.S. troops were originally based in Germany and Japan for security purposes.  AND they were kept there for 7 YEARS specifically for security purposes.  Then, they were kept there from that time up until now for both Security Purposes, and so that we would have forward operating bases in those regions.  Don't try to re-write history on me you little Socialist Punk.
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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2004, 08:28:27 pm »
Quote from: BTs_GhostSniper on June 28, 2004, 07:57:40 pm
Pardon me, but 10,000 U.S. troops can, and have, taken on up to 22 Enemy Divisions (nearly 400,000 troops) and come out alive


yeah, and i say 140 000 US troops cant currently take out a few hundred Iraki rebels. Do you think 10 000 will do ?

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 that we would have forward operating bases in those regions.  

thats exactly why they're still in Germany. Dont tell me you think this country still needs US soldiers to secure their streets lol
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2004, 09:17:38 pm »
Quote from: bobby on June 28, 2004, 08:28:27 pm
yeah, and i say 140 000 US troops cant currently take out a few hundred Iraki rebels. Do you think 10 000 will do?

I'm saying you don't NEED 140,000 U.S. troops to take out a few hundred Iraqi rebels.  Most of those troops are support, not combat arms.  Having probably never served in the military yourself, I wouldn't expect that you even know the difference.  Leaving 10,000 troops (mostly Special Forces) in theater gives you the same urban warfare fighting capability that a 140,000 troop Army gives you.  Again, assuming you have never served in the military, I wouldn't expect that you even know what the hell I'm talking about.

Quote from: bobby on June 28, 2004, 08:28:27 pm
thats exactly why they're still in Germany. Dont tell me you think this country still needs US soldiers to secure their streets lol

Actually, I wasn't talking about security from WITHIN, they were there for security from outside attack (mainly from the Warsaw Pact Countries up until 1990-1991).  And yes, they are still there in case of some outside attack, because you never know when an enemy might decide to attack you.  Oh, but then you are of the French mindset that says you should be weak militarily so that you can just surrender to the enemy so they don't destroy your country.  Gotcha.
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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2004, 09:40:40 pm »
Quote from: BTs_GhostSniper on June 28, 2004, 09:17:38 pm
Oh, but then you are of the French mindset that says you should be weak militarily so that you can just surrender to the enemy so they don't destroy your country.  Gotcha.[/color][/size]

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