A Vote For John F'ing Kerry is a Vote For Terrorists...

[cO.Kuza]

W and his cronies have begun chipping away at fundamental liberties enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Perhaps, this is for our well being, but what will become of our rights when another 9/11 occurs? We are being led down the path to a police state. I for one will resist in anyway possible, and if that means voting for Kerry, then so be it.

Please tell me what liberties George Bush has taken away from YOU PERSONALLY.  Because so far, you and Ace have been telling me my rights have been taken away, but as yet I havn't seen it.

I can tell you the liberty of gays are being taken away, they are people to you right?

[Abe 2.0]

Islamic terrorists love things like prison abuse scandals and the Presidents who don't fire the people that are ultimately responsible. I think they're gonna be very happy with your vote for Bush, GS.

So because it's not you, but your neighbor, who happens to be (as you put it) 'some muslim american', its ok if their civil rights are violated? If they are just 'some muslim americans', would it be ok if they were, say, rounded up and shot? Just because you are not personally affected by it does'nt mean it isnt happening. Ask any German over the age of 75 what I mean and they will tell you....
And since we are on the topic, you know that if you did'nt "break the law" in Nazi Germany (for example, by being Jewish or giving shelter to a Jew), you didn't get into trouble either and your rights were pretty much respected. I hope you get the point I am trying to make....

I find it odd that someone who professes his patriotism in every post he makes, has so little respect for one of the greatest things about America....

[Mr. Lothario]

     A corollary to Abe's post:

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niem?ller

[Cobra]

GhostSniper, your original post is hilariously asinine.  While I can tell you're really givin' it yer bestest effort to support and spread your dogmatism, you went wrong when, in that small amount of text, you managed to commit various logical fallacies including appeal to spite, appeal to fear, argumentum ad hominem, and irrelevent conclusion.  Ahm...you're entire argument is ridiculous.

[BFG]

Somtimes i just think that an ideology like yours GhostSniper is all the support that the terrorists need. The more extreme, the more isolated the more you define "us" and the "enemy" the more you play in to the hands of real terrorists.

Kerry will most probably go about the problem of terrorism in a very different way - ie he won't be quite so gung ho and hopfully he will look for the root of the problem rather than just picking a couple of countries to invade while screaming about the threat to your way of life etc.

I have spoken to many of my friends who are still "in the know" regarding Terrorists, interrogation of Terrorists, and the general mindset of Terrorists (some are CIA, some Delta Force, Some Rangers, and some NSA Agents).? And do you know what?? They are all telling me the SAME thing.

Ok so i knew your security system was a joke but if the rest of these guys are anything like your "friends in the know" then your absolutly fu*ked lol.

This whole thread is such a fucking joke.

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

Well.. I feel that that if they are doing the things adressed in the patriot act anyway b4 it was writen out... just hiding it.

I for one dont mind the patriot act due to the fact that my uncle was 2.. that right 2 buildings over from the WTC when it was hit... If one of those planes had missed the WTC and hit his offices he would not be here today. If there is anyway possible to stop these kind of acts from happening again.. Then we need to take staps to protect ourselves.. I feel me opinion is justified due to the fact that it could have been very easily been my uncle (who was more like a brother to me) who was killed in 9/11.

["Sixhits"]

Okay, since I am the minority on this forum (Being a Conservative), I just thought I would throw some propaganda into the ring since I have to listen to all of your left-wing crap all the time.

I see what you mean.

[KGB]

They believe that Kerry will not be as hard-core anti-terrorism as Bush is, and they would therefore do almost anything, including staging a terrorist act like the one that occurred in Spain before their elections, in order to make the American people vote for Kerry over Bush.

Hmm GS;
First, after the unfortunate 9/11 attacks Bush recieved GLOBAL
support.
Second, the spanish governement lost the elections because they LIED about the nature of the attack, not because of it.

[PLOPje]

they probely also lost the elections because they had troops in iraq and the majority of the people in spain didnt  want that.
Why the hell want the terrorist that kerry gets elected?? It doesnt matter if i look at it as you look at it and that is that the only thing what the terrorist want is to destroy and kill every american citizen.( not my point of view) so why should they care about who gets elected...
Maybe because kerry will have some better foreign politics that make the terrorist a bit more happy
so they shouldnt come anymore to america to go and kill everybody, but offcourse you a terrorist friend then and bablabla...

In nazi germany some communist put some political building on fire
Hitler reacts fast and gets some laws so he can arrest people more easy search there belongins
read their mail and listen to their phoneline... Now this was before Hitler was the fuhrer.
Now terrorist flew into the wtc. Then the patriot act comes and as I read some posts it allows exactly the same.
if GS was a german in nazi germany he probely believed everything hitler said, also blame the jews and the communists for everything. And offcourse you wouldnt find something bad because your doing nothing wrong you have the same ideas as the leader so nothing can happen to you... .
I am not saying you are a nazi but you have a lot in common with them.

If such things happened in my country I wouldnt let it happen unless they share my views and they make dictator for live.

[KoS.Rebel]

Ghost, i totally agree with whatcha say, but as u can tell, all the democrats storm to the post and bash bush. Its just what they do. If Bush is reelected so be it, but if Kerry is elected, God save the US, or im movin to Canada.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Ghost, i totally agree with whatcha say, but as u can tell, all the democrats storm to the post and bash bush. Its just what they do. If Bush is reelected so be it, but if Kerry is elected, God save the US, or im movin to Canada.

If you believe this we (Canada) won't want your BS propaganda spewing brainwash in our country. Although there maybe a Conservative (Republican Party like thing in Canada) due to people giving protest votes against the Liberals because of other Canadian BS politics. But yea... no Rebel.

[Supernatural Pie]

I have a pretty good idea, perhaps my expectations for the most sophisticated techno-intel apparatus the world has ever seen are a bit high. Since you must be an insider (DEA,FBI,CIA,NSA?) maybe you could explain why our intelligence services failed us.

Our intelligence services failed us because the bottom line is that if the terrorists want to attack the U.S, they can. It might even be 1 in every 500 attempts that they are successful, but no agency in the entire world (that's right, not even the good ol' U.S. of A) has the ability to stop every terrorist threat. Again, looking back on what Sixhits said about how no one knows about the victories, but everyone knows about the failures. I can tell you right now, there are far more victories than there are failures. 9/11 was a failure; it was not due to incompetence. It was due to the simple fact that not everything can be stopped.

And you're god damed right is easy for me to call them incompetent, because they also defend my right to freedom of speech.  

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[BFG]

So they've just released that report in the US today i see, the report which has come to the conclusion that Bush lied about the links between Al-Quieda and Saddam Hussain... There wasn't a link, Iraq had nothing to do with the attacks of 9/11

... Untill you change your foriegn policy, untill you change the way you behave towards the rest of the world then you are supporting the terrorists - Bush's actions, his lying etc is all providing fuel to the terrorist fire.

Right now you are the one helping Terrorism.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

the P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act never bothered you because you have obviously never read the Bill of Rights.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Do you know why we have the Fourth Amendment? It was created so that we would never have to live in fear of an authoritarian government. The P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act violates this in so many damn ways that it's not even funny. Hell, with the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act in place, the government could be monitoring my Internet connection as we speak.

Ah, I just love the way you throw around the 4th Amendment!  So why is it you can believe so strongly in the 4th Amendment but can turn right around and shit all over parts of the 1st Amendment and pretty much all of the 2nd Amendment???  You are a typical liberal in that you only take parts of the Constitution that suit you and wave them in people's faces, while at the same time trying to destroy other parts of the Constitution.

[Cobra]

shit all over parts of the 1st Amendment and pretty much all of the 2nd Amendment

Specifically...?

You are a typical liberal

Another ad hom, fucker.  ( )

you only take parts of the Constitution that suit you and wave them in people's faces, while at the same time trying to destroy other parts of the Constitution.

Wait...let me hear, again, how rejecting the constitutionality of the PATRIOT Act destroys parts of the constitution?

[seth]

well, GS's initial post is so ridiculous it ought to be one of his famous jokes, right ?

[Ace]

the P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act never bothered you because you have obviously never read the Bill of Rights.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Do you know why we have the Fourth Amendment? It was created so that we would never have to live in fear of an authoritarian government. The P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act violates this in so many damn ways that it's not even funny. Hell, with the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act in place, the government could be monitoring my Internet connection as we speak.

Ah, I just love the way you throw around the 4th Amendment!  So why is it you can believe so strongly in the 4th Amendment but can turn right around and shit all over parts of the 1st Amendment and pretty much all of the 2nd Amendment???  You are a typical liberal in that you only take parts of the Constitution that suit you and wave them in people's faces, while at the same time trying to destroy other parts of the Constitution.

Oh jeez, I don't even know where to start with this. Please, oh pretty please, show me where I "shit all over" the First and Second Amendments. If you ever paid attention to anything I wrote, you would know that I'm very much a libertarian, not a liberal. Basically, libertarians want the government to stay the fuck out of our lives as much as possible. Accordingly, it shouldn't come as a surprise that I hold the First and Second Amendments in very high regard.

So come on, pull your head out of your ass for a second and do some research. Read up on any of my old posts. If you want to rip on my views, that's fine and dandy. But don't you dare say that I don't respect the Constitution.

[Cobra]

Ghost, i totally agree with whatcha say, but as u can tell, all the democrats storm to the post and bash bush. Its just what they do.

Really?  I'm no liberal, but I have yet to see anything remotely resembling a valid argument from the Pro-Bush squad.  I know there are intelligent conservatives who can formulate articulate and supported arguments, it just seems that they do not exist on this board.

["Sixhits"]

im movin to Canada.

I think you'd find Canada less than welcoming. They're about as left of center as I am.

But hey, maybe when you get there you'll see what you've been missing these last few years - freedom from fear.

[alaric]

Props to Ace, Sixhits, Abe and Loth. I don't have anything to add at this point, you all are handling things nicely but I wanted to voice my support.