A Vote For John F'ing Kerry is a Vote For Terrorists...

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Okay, since I am the minority on this forum (Being a Conservative), I just thought I would throw some propaganda into the ring since I have to listen to all of your left-wing crap all the time.

So here it is:

I have spoken to many of my friends who are still "in the know" regarding Terrorists, interrogation of Terrorists, and the general mindset of Terrorists (some are CIA, some Delta Force, Some Rangers, and some NSA Agents).  And do you know what?  They are all telling me the SAME thing.  That the Terrorists WANT John F'ing Kerry to be elected the next President of the United States.  They believe that Kerry will not be as hard-core anti-terrorism as Bush is, and they would therefore do almost anything, including staging a terrorist act like the one that occurred in Spain before their elections, in order to make the American people vote for Kerry over Bush.  Now just think about that for a minute...our ENEMIES, the very people who want all of us DEAD, would rather have Kerry in office over Bush.  Hell, if there is a better reason to vote for Bush than the fact that it is what your enemies DO NOT want, I can't think of a better one.

So,

A Vote For John F'ing Kerry is a Vote For Terrorists to Have Their Way.

[Ace]

Okay, since I am the minority on this forum (Being a Conservative), I just thought I would throw some propaganda into the ring since I have to listen to all of your left-wing crap all the time.

So here it is:

I have spoken to many of my friends who are still "in the know" regarding Terrorists, interrogation of Terrorists, and the general mindset of Terrorists (some are CIA, some Delta Force, Some Rangers, and some NSA Agents).  And do you know what?  They are all telling me the SAME thing.  That the Terrorists WANT John F'ing Kerry to be elected the next President of the United States.  They believe that Kerry will not be as hard-core anti-terrorism as Bush is, and they would therefore do almost anything, including staging a terrorist act like the one that occurred in Spain before their elections, in order to make the American people vote for Kerry over Bush.  Now just think about that for a minute...our ENEMIES, the very people who want all of us DEAD, would rather have Kerry in office over Bush.  Hell, if there is a better reason to vote for Bush than the fact that it is what your enemies DO NOT want, I can't think of a better one.

So,

A Vote For John F'ing Kerry is a Vote For Terrorists to Have Their Way.

In this post you mention our enemies. By this, I assume you mean the people who threaten the "American way of life." Last time I checked, one of the core tenets of American patriotism is the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Read that one again in case you missed it. Liberty. L-I-B-E-R-T-Y. Liberty. In case you haven't noticed, our current administration has made a habit out of using the Constitution to wipe their asses, especially a little section called the Bill of Rights. By my calculations, that would make them *gasp* our enemies. And I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say that these enemies want Bush to be re-elected. Now, according to your logic, there is no better reason to vote for a president than if it would anger our enemies.

So GS, please, I urge you to be a responsible citizen and put your vote where your big fat mouth is. Help me and the rest of the country make life hard on our enemies by voting for Kerry. It's the patriotic thing to do, so I hope you won't let us down.

[The Golden Shark]

OMG Ace i want to make love to you!! well said  i have the best feeling running through me. is it a bad thing to feel like this about politics??

[Supernatural Pie]

is it a bad thing to feel like this about politics??

Yes.

[c| Dr. NO]

In this post you mention our enemies. By this, I assume you mean the people who threaten the "American way of life." Last time I checked, one of the core tenets of American patriotism is the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Read that one again in case you missed it. Liberty. L-I-B-E-R-T-Y. Liberty. In case you haven't noticed, our current administration has made a habit out of using the Constitution to wipe their asses, especially a little section called the Bill of Rights. By my calculations, that would make them *gasp* our enemies. And I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say that these enemies want Bush to be re-elected. Now, according to your logic, there is no better reason to vote for a president than if it would anger our enemies.

So GS, please, I urge you to be a responsible citizen and put your vote where your big fat mouth is. Help me and the rest of the country make life hard on our enemies by voting for Kerry. It's the patriotic thing to do, so I hope you won't let us down.

Couldn't have typed it better myself, well putt Ace.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

In this post you mention our enemies. By this, I assume you mean the people who threaten the "American way of life." Last time I checked, one of the core tenets of American patriotism is the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Read that one again in case you missed it. Liberty. L-I-B-E-R-T-Y. Liberty. In case you haven't noticed, our current administration has made a habit out of using the Constitution to wipe their asses, especially a little section called the Bill of Rights.

Name one, just one, liberty that you have had taken away from YOU PERSONALLY since George Bush has been President.

For me, I havn't seen any of my liberties taken away.

So, unless you are some Muslim American who has been pissed on, I would suggest you shut the fuck up.

P.S.  Your favorite Democratic President EVER (FDR) did much worse against the Japanese after the attack on Pearl Harbor.  So go whine to somebody who gives a fuck about how we treat people trying to kill us.

["Sixhits"]

Well, my favorite Dem pres ever is Clinton, but then I got to grow up experienceing the fruits of his glorious years. Awwh, I miss the nineties.

Besides, that was the forties, and what FDR did has long been acknowledged as the wrong thing to do. I think it's one of the worst things FDR ever did while in office.

As for this vote for Kerry = yay Terrorists! thing.

I don't buy it. And I did have dinner with a CIA dude the other night - a pal of my father's - who while no liberal, didn't have a point of view on the whole election thing. His job is to protect us, Kerry or Bush. What was captivating to hear was that while it's seemed like hard times at the CIA for the past few years, they never get enough credit. Because the only time anyone really notices what they do is when they fail to do something. We never hear about the silent victories or the clandistine operations that foil desperate attacks. And then he had some harsh words for the media and the way things get reported.

In any event, it strikes me as odd that all the terrorists want Kerry to win. This doesn't sound like the usual sort of terrorist fanatsy, now does it? Wouldn't they rather have, say, a bomb go off killing both Kerry and Bush? And killing everyone else in America? I mean, the leader of the Great Satan is still the leader of the Great Satan, whether he's pro-choice or not.

This smacks of pure partisan hack-hack-hacking. And it's typical, expected hacking. "The boogey man wants you to vote for the other guy - don't you hate the boogey man? Well he just loves democrats!". Bah. It's all spittle flying out of the mouth of PR guys. It's some seriously evil meme-advertizing. (I mean evil like sinister, not evil like raping babies)

Frame it another way: Are we hoping that Osama's number two man will shoot him and take over al Queda, becaues Osama has done such a good job killing Americans, and we'd like to see the lesser man on top?

I mean, seriously, this is the exact reversal of what you just suggested.

Of course not - cause it doesn't matter to us either way. We want Osama, his number 2 man, all his buddies and associates DEAD or CAPTURED. Maybe even dying slowly. But do we care who's the figurehead on top of the organization? Nope. Cause it just don't matter. They're all bad.

A bucket with holes holds no water, GS, and this perspective on the election holds no water.

[macuser1984]

A Vote For John F'ing Kerry is a Vote For Terrorists to Have Their Way.[/color]

I fucking knew it!!!  That bitch is in bed with the terrorists!

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Come on GS, if you want a claim to be taken seriously it must be because of reasons, based on evidence.

If Bush admin wants to use fear as its political tool of choice, it is quite ironic because Ronald Reagan, someone who W claims to admire once said, "Whatever else history may say about me when I?m gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts.".

As for the Patriot Act, Ben Franklin said it best "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.". W and his cronies have begun chipping away at fundamental liberties enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Perhaps, this is for our well being, but what will become of our rights when another 9/11 occurs? We are being led down the path to a police state. I for one will resist in anyway possible, and if that means voting for Kerry, then so be it.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

W and his cronies have begun chipping away at fundamental liberties enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Perhaps, this is for our well being, but what will become of our rights when another 9/11 occurs? We are being led down the path to a police state. I for one will resist in anyway possible, and if that means voting for Kerry, then so be it.

Please tell me what liberties George Bush has taken away from YOU PERSONALLY.  Because so far, you and Ace have been telling me my rights have been taken away, but as yet I havn't seen it.

[Ace]

Name one, just one, liberty that you have had taken away from YOU PERSONALLY since George Bush has been President.

For me, I havn't seen any of my liberties taken away.

So, unless you are some Muslim American who has been pissed on, I would suggest you shut the fuck up.

Why don't you shut the fuck up instead?

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Name one, just one, liberty that you have had taken away from YOU PERSONALLY since George Bush has been President.
For me, I havn't seen any of my liberties taken away.

Why don't you shut the fuck up instead?

Oh, I see now.  The liberties you have lost relate to you being able to commit a crime in the privacy of your own home!  Gosh, why didn't you just say that you wanted to be able to commit crimes without the possibility of being caught!  Now I see why the Patriot Act never bothered me....BECAUSE I AM AN UPSTANDING CITIZEN THAT DOES NOT BREAK THE LAW!

Well, guess you need to be scared.  As I said before, I have not lost any of my liberties.

[Supernatural Pie]

To be perfectly honest, I never liked the laws against search and seizure, wire tapping, etc, because I feel that all too often people are able to get away with crimes that they may even have come right out and admitted to, all because of the fourth amendment. And it frustrates me immensly that we are hindering ourselves from catching terrorists that plot in our country, using our phone lines, on our soil. And there's a hell of a lot that gets in our way of stopping them.

Our government officials (please don't flame me on this, but I'm generalizing) abide by our laws. What laws do terrorists abide by?

Who has the advantage there...

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Tell me why I should give up some of my privacy because of an exaggerated terrorist threat, when in reality U.S. citizens are far more likely to be killed in a car accident than by a suicide bomber? The idea behind this liberal democracy, is founded on the principals of liberty and a basic right to privacy, if you set the precedent of sacrificing liberty for safety, sooner or later there will be no more liberty to sacrifice. This may not affect me personally at this very second, but I don't fancy the idea of my children growing up in a police state with unrestricted governmental powers.

Whether you an upstanding citizen or not makes no difference, when the government abides by no restrictions as preserved in the U.S. Constitution, the thin line between a democracy and a tyranny is eroded. The reason why our intelligence services dropped the ball on 9/11 was INCOMPETENCE, not because they did not have the Patriot Act 1 or 2.  

[Ace]

Name one, just one, liberty that you have had taken away from YOU PERSONALLY since George Bush has been President.
For me, I havn't seen any of my liberties taken away.

Why don't you shut the fuck up instead?

Oh, I see now.  The liberties you have lost relate to you being able to commit a crime in the privacy of your own home!  Gosh, why didn't you just say that you wanted to be able to commit crimes without the possibility of being caught!  Now I see why the Patriot Act never bothered me....BECAUSE I AM AN UPSTANDING CITIZEN THAT DOES NOT BREAK THE LAW!

Well, guess you need to be scared.  As I said before, I have not lost any of my liberties.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. First, I have lost the liberty to sit in the privacy of my own home without being treated like a criminal. Second, I never said I wanted people to be able to commit crimes without being caught.  Third, and most important, the P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act never bothered you because you have obviously never read the Bill of Rights.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Do you know why we have the Fourth Amendment? It was created so that we would never have to live in fear of an authoritarian government. The P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act violates this in so many damn ways that it's not even funny. Hell, with the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act in place, the government could be monitoring my Internet connection as we speak.

If you are happy being a mindless, subservient bitch to the government, by all means, go bend over for John Ashcroft and Co. You will get it right up the poopshot eventually. But as for me, I'm a patriotic American and I know my fucking rights.

[BTs_Mysterio]

Please tell me what liberties George Bush has taken away from YOU PERSONALLY.

I, like many other people outside the US, I feel like I have less ability to go to the US due to the stupidity of the security at the boarder. Simply because I have a Arabic last name... I don't think I'm even 1/8th Arabic. I feel that that is the way that I view things, and that has affected me personally because of the Bush Propaganda in the security way.

[Supernatural Pie]

You can't be serious spetz. You have no idea how much information flows through Intelligence 24 hours/day, 7 days/week, 52 weeks/year.

You have no idea. The hardest part of intelligence is sorting out the real information from the fake information.

Oh and by the way, I'm sure you've heard this before:

Heindsight is always 20/20.


Secondly, the only reason you're more likely to get hit by a car than be killed in a terrorist explosion is because of that intel which you are so quick to insult. Go back to what sixhits said:

Because the only time anyone really notices what they do is when they fail to do something. We never hear about the silent victories or the clandistine operations that foil desperate attacks.

It's so easy for you to sit there at your computer three years after 9/11 and call the people which defend your soil every minute of your life---incompetent.

You have no idea.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

I have a pretty good idea, perhaps my expectations for the most sophisticated techno-intel apparatus the world has ever seen are a bit high. Since you must be an insider (DEA,FBI,CIA,NSA?) maybe you could explain why our intelligence services failed us. And you're god damed right is easy for me to call them incompetent, because they also defend my right to freedom of speech. So give me some idea since I have none, please enlighten me.  

[Cossack]

I am going to make this breif, this nation is ruled by law. If the PATRIOT Act is made legal then in the future some President who does want to monitor what you are reading, your political views, and your private conversations to be used in a trial against in order to imprision you for your politics can.

The same thing happened inside my country during the Soviet times. One could not think for himself because you never knew if the guy in the next apartment was NKVD and keeping logs of all your conversations.

I do not see whats so wrong about going to a judge and supplying reasonable cause in order to get a warrant. It worked in WWII when the US was in much more dire times, it will work now too.

[*NADS Foxy]

I don't like getting too far into politics, but one thing I know: Bush and the USA (or America) in the same sentence leaves a bad taste in my mouth, figuratively speaking. He makes me feel disappointed that he is our country's president, when I know we can get better people than that in that position. Also, whenever I see a picture of him, I feel the stupidity flowing out of it, i.e. the pictures of him when he visited the Pope.... Sigh. I could be called patriotic, but I think Bush has tarnished the word, along with others. Things like this make me consider about life in another country.