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« on: June 16, 2004, 09:25:59 pm »

Much of this lifted from my read at http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2004/06/16/bush_on_couch/index.html

Was just reading about the three new books coming about that refer to the inner workings of Bush's mind.

"Bush on the Couch: Inside the Mind of the President,"
"The President of Good and Evil: The Ethics of George W. Bush,"
"Personality, Character and Leadership in the White House: Psychologists Assess the Presidents,"

All these forthcoming books have created an interest in me about what's going on in Georgie's head.

Now, from all accounts "Bush on the couch" is a terrible book, made worse by it's pure partisanship. But, I've been hearing of a few interesting tid bits of truth that led light into what sort of man is running things.

The most interesting of which is the death of his younger sister Robin, from leukemia, when Bush was 7 and she was 3. What makes this interesting is that Bush's parents dealt with Robin's death by squelching any expression of grief; there was no funeral and they played golf the day after she died.

"If a child's parents teach him that his feelings of suffering, fear, weakness and rage are so unacceptable that they can't even be acknowledged, he is likely to spend his life projecting those feelings onto other people and punishing them for it. It's one of the ways bullies are minted."

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George W. would find plenty of opportunities to practice the art of projection as he grew up. Frank, who is always on firmest footing when he's working from concrete biographical material, points out that from an early age, George W. Bush consistently failed in everything at which his father excelled. He got poor grades at the same schools where his father did well, and was a disaster in the same industry (oil) where his father made his fortune. His father was a varsity athlete; George W. had to settle for the cheerleading squad. His father was a fighter pilot in World War II; George W. was a desultory member of the Texas Air National Guard.

Frank's psychoanalytic training pays off in one aspect by giving him an eye for the eloquent detail. There's George W.'s first, abortive engagement at 20, the same age at which his father married. And then there's George W. celebrating his role in the purchasing of the Texas Rangers by printing up baseball cards with his picture on them, a pathetically transparent effort to erase the fact that "he could never be the baseball star his father was." Even the exhaustively analyzed "Mission Accomplished" charade on the deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln in May 2003 takes on new meaning when you interpret it as a "pantomime of [George W.'s] father's war heroism."

Some observers have read George W.'s obsession with ousting Saddam Hussein as motivated by revenge for Saddam's attempted assassination of his father. It could also be seen as the determination to pull off something that his father failed to achieve. But dig a little deeper and it also looks like an attempt to exorcise what must be one nasty case of Oedipal resentment. By Frank's formula, families like the Bushes, where difficult emotions are banished, produce children who cast other people as the symbols of their own unintegrated negative urges and feelings: "I don't want to kill my father, he does, and to prove that I'm devoid of such bad impulses, I'll take him out."
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All in all it's quite a read, the salon article. I expect we'll be hearing more about this sort of subject in the next few months.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2004, 10:07:40 pm »

Very interesting indeed! Cheerleading, eh...? Heh heh.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2004, 10:46:16 pm »

His father was a fighter pilot in World War II; George W. was a desultory member of the Texas Air National Guard.

It will be nice someday to read something out of one of these articles by someone who knows what the hell they are talking about.

George H.W. Bush was a TBF and TBM Avenger pilot during WWII.  He never flew fighters.  The Avengers were torpedo/dive bombers.  It was actually George W. Bush who was the fighter pilot, flying the F-102 Delta Dagger for the Texas Air National Guard.

And you guys wonder why I have a hard time believing anything else in some of these left-wing lunatic articles.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2004, 11:21:04 pm »

His father was a fighter pilot in World War II; George W. was a desultory member of the Texas Air National Guard.

It will be nice someday to read something out of one of these articles by someone who knows what the hell they are talking about.

George H.W. Bush was a TBF and TBM Avenger pilot during WWII.  He never flew fighters.  The Avengers were torpedo/dive bombers.  It was actually George W. Bush who was the fighter pilot, flying the F-102 Delta Dagger for the Texas Air National Guard.

And you guys wonder why I have a hard time believing anything else in some of these left-wing lunatic articles.

I don't expect average-Joe Reporter to know the difference between an Avenger and a Wildcat. What everyone knows is that Bush I fought in WWII and was shot down. It's one of the glorious stories of his life. For Bush II, his time in the Guard is everything but glorious. There is an incredible difference between the father and son, and you can see it play out in the policies the two practiced. Hell, one's an East Coast Prespreterian and the other a Texas Born Again Christian. The essence of the article was that the inner conflicts of Bush II has brought us to where we are today. Unstanding him is part of understanding his presidency.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2004, 12:06:34 am »

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I don't expect average-Joe Reporter to know the difference between an Avenger and a Wildcat

Does anyone? And does it freaking matter unless your either a mad military nut or someone trying to rip the thing to shreads, or just looking for little issues.  The point is still there

cheerleading... lol
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2004, 12:25:49 am »

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Does anyone? And does it freaking matter unless your either a mad military nut or someone trying to rip the thing to shreads, or just looking for little issues.  The point is still there

cheerleading... lol

Frankly I "cheer" for Bush's cheerleading - 'cause where else does a young man get to fondle women out in the open, look up short skirts, and toss them around like rag dolls?
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2004, 12:32:41 am »

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Does anyone? And does it freaking matter unless your either a mad military nut or someone trying to rip the thing to shreads, or just looking for little issues.

It matters to someone like me, who is currently writing a book on U.S. Military Aviation.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2004, 02:16:54 am »

you know what i hate about right wing conservites, is their inability to find any thing significantly wrong about left wing arguments. granted, there are a few times we contradict ourselves, and over exagerate. But t bring up the fact that Dick head Sr. Fucking flew someother plane then the one that was metnioned, is bullshit. IT DOESN"T EVEN CHANGE WHAT SIXHITS WAS SAYING!!!! IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE POINT AT HAND, NONE WHAT SO EVER. Fucking conservitive fucks, allways digging in to the last mother fucking straw. Get a grip.

Go suck a fat one ghost, i wouldn't piss on your book to put out a fire.
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2004, 02:19:24 am »

Go suck a fat one ghost, i wouldn't piss on your book to put out a fire.

Luckely, You are probably not in the group of people who I am writing it for.   Wink
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2004, 02:51:20 am »

Go suck a fat one ghost, i wouldn't piss on your book to put out a fire.

Luckely, You are probably not in the group of people who I am writing it for.   Wink

Lol.

Hey GS, got a publisher lined up? I'd enjoy a look at it.

Got any good stuff on the American "Ace of Aces"? (I hope you know who I'm talking about Smiley  )
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2004, 02:55:39 am »

Hey GS, got a publisher lined up? I'd enjoy a look at it.

Yes, the Air Force Association is going to publish it for me in Alexandria, VA.  I have been a member of the AFA since I was 13 (almost 20 years now).  I am currently the Vice President my AFA Chapter here on the Gulf Coast of MS, so I guess they decided to do something nice for me for paying those dues for so many years (they made me a Life Member in 2003).

I am trying to get the book out by 2007 (the 100th Anniversary of Military Aviation).
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2004, 02:57:08 am »

Got any good stuff on the American "Ace of Aces"? (I hope you know who I'm talking about Smiley  )

Oh, I just got done replying to the first part of your post and didn't see what you added.

But yes, Richard Bong will be included, along with many other aces.

Also, I may have a forward by Brig Gen R. Stephen Ritchie (the only Ace Pilot for the USAF during the Vietnam War).


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Got any good stuff on the American "Ace of Aces"? (I hope you know who I'm talking about Smiley  )

Oh, I just got done replying to the first part of your post and didn't see what you added.

But yes, Richard Bong will be included, along with many other aces.

Also, I may have a forward by Brig Gen R. Stephen Ritchie (the only Ace Pilot for the USAF during the Vietnam War).


Here is the Tribute Page I made for Gen Ritchie several years ago:

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Ah. I was actually referring to Eddie Rickenbacker. But I see you're point on Ritchie.
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« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2004, 03:16:05 am »

Ah. I was actually referring to Eddie Rickenbacker. But I see you're point on Ritchie.

Richard Bong is our Ace of Aces.....40 confirmed victories in WWII.  But Eddie was top dog in WWI.
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« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2004, 03:28:04 am »

Ah. I was actually referring to Eddie Rickenbacker. But I see you're point on Ritchie.

Richard Bong is our Ace of Aces.....40 confirmed victories in WWII.  But Eddie was top dog in WWI.

Wait a tic! Bong beat Eddie? I completely missed that! I thought they sent Bong home before he beat Eddie. I remember it being all about Pappy Boyington trying like crazy to top Rickenbacker, while he was at the Black Sheep. Thought no one was ever going to beat Eddie. And now I find my memories dashed.
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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2004, 03:52:52 am »

Wait a tic! Bong beat Eddie? I completely missed that! I thought they sent Bong home before he beat Eddie. I remember it being all about Pappy Boyington trying like crazy to top Rickenbacker, while he was at the Black Sheep. Thought no one was ever going to beat Eddie. And now I find my memories dashed.

Yes, Bong beat Eddie Rickenbacker by a long shot.  Richard Bong scored 40 victories before getting sent back to the states (he died in a P-80 crash the day we dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima).  Eddie Rickenbacker was the highest scoring ace of WWI with 26 victories.  There were quite a few people during WWII who passed up Rickenbacker's 26 kills, including Maj Thomas McGuire (38 kills), Col Francis Gabreski (28 kills), Col Gregory Boyington (28 kills), and Maj George Preddy (27 kills).
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Wait a tic! Bong beat Eddie? I completely missed that! I thought they sent Bong home before he beat Eddie. I remember it being all about Pappy Boyington trying like crazy to top Rickenbacker, while he was at the Black Sheep. Thought no one was ever going to beat Eddie. And now I find my memories dashed.

Yes, Bong beat Eddie Rickenbacker by a long shot.  Richard Bong scored 40 victories before getting sent back to the states (he died in a P-80 crash the day we dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima).  Eddie Rickenbacker was the highest scoring ace of WWI with 26 victories.  There were quite a few people during WWII who passed up Rickenbacker's 26 kills, including Maj Thomas McGuire (38 kills), Col Francis Gabreski (28 kills), Col Gregory Boyington (28 kills), and Maj George Preddy (27 kills).

Now, I know Pappy did not get 28. There is a lot of contraversy over his claims when he was a Flying Tiger - he claims 6 while there, but was only paid for 2. I think his real number is 24.
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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2004, 03:28:15 pm »

Now, I know Pappy did not get 28. There is a lot of contraversy over his claims when he was a Flying Tiger - he claims 6 while there, but was only paid for 2. I think his real number is 24.

Boyington received 22 kills while flying for the USMC.  As for his Flying Tiger kills, I'm gonna give him the 6.  I tend to lean towards the pilot's view of how many aircraft he shot down.  I know a lot of historians don't do this, but I am more in line with giving the pilot the benifit of the doubt, not some book keeper somewhere.  To be honest, there are quite a few kills that many of our pilots received that were never counted because of simple things like: no witness saw it, no gun camera footage, or the enemy aircraft crashed in enemy-held territory.  Richard Bong, for instance, claimed an additional 10 kills (which would have given him 50 total) that were never able to be verified.  I generally go by the Air Force Historical Research Agency for Air Force and Army Air Force kills (that link is: Air Force Historical Research Agency).  As for Navy and Marine Corps kills, nobody in the Navy actually documents those officially, so you have to do quite a bit of research for those.

So anyhow, Greg Boyington gets 28 kills in my book.
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