G5s Released

[BTs_Mysterio]

At least admit the 1.8 deal isn't that good for the buck compared to the previous. It was easier to justify vs a 1.8 but no a 2.0.

[Cobra]

- liquid cooling, is that a good thing ?
No, coz it clearly demonstrate Apple (or should i say IBM, Motorola, whatever) isnt able to get a proper processor.

What the hell does this mean?  Looks like uninformed, incoherent bullshit, but feel free to correct me.

As for the processor, if its indeed the 970fx, that'd be a good start but whats the point in having 90 nm processors if we cannot increase the frequence !

The frequency was increased by half of one GHz (that's a 25% clock speed increase per processor).  I'm afraid I don't get where you're coming from here.

Decrease the heat generated ? hum...

Yes, the 970FX at 2.5GHz runs cooler than the 970 at 2.0GHz (about on par with the 970 at 1.8GHz).  It also requires less power ? according to a senior technical staff member at IBM, the 970FX dissipates 50W of power during typical use, down from the 66W required by its predecessor at significantly lower clock speeds.

- graphic cards:
like it was Apple who manufactures those !
and FX Ge force 5200 Ultra, what the hell !!!!

You said it quite well..."what the hell"?  I have no idea what you're trying to suggest with this equivocal statement.

Also, could someone please fill me in on the reason for everyone's abhorrence of liquid cooling?  Given that the 970FX at 2.5GHz run cooler than the 970 at lower clock speeds, it appears to be more a shift in design philosophy at this point than a necessity, and is likely in preparation for the inevitable scaling up to or exceeding 3GHz.  Liquid cooling is also both very effective and very quiet.  So what's with all the hate?  Why you gotta be like dat?

-MP5-Mysterio
G5 cube?

Schwing!  I hope so.

-MP5-Mysterio
The 90nm G5 isn't a NEW thing. You keep saying it was a great revolution for the G5s, but it happened in January with the Xserves.

Mysterio, you do realize that people who ordered their 90nm 2.0GHz Xserves back when they were announced are just starting to recieve them now?  OK, just checking.  And considering the 90nm G5 was not to be found before now in any desktop class machines, this kinda is new, no?

[BFG]

Also, could someone please fill me in on the reason for everyone's abhorrence of liquid cooling?? Given that the 970FX at 2.5GHz run cooler than the 970 at lower clock speeds, it appears to be more a shift in design philosophy at this point than a necessity, and is likely in preparation for the inevitable scaling up to or exceeding 3GHz.? Liquid cooling is also both very effective and very quiet.? So what's with all the hate?? Why you gotta be like dat?

Well not going over board, but i think its freaking brilliant. Its another proven way of making these computers both cooler and as a result quieter. Liquid cooling systems disperse heat quietly - ok you need the fan to blow the heat of the water as it were ( you know what i mean) but its a more effective way of moving the heat than just a fan and a hunk of metal (heatsink)

I don't see what the problem is it. Personally i love it. and if its going to make my computer cooler, and therefore mean the fans have to do less work - then i am going to have a quieter and more efficient computer who's processor can get more work done at the lower tempreatures.

Id say these new G5 = party time!

[Toxic::Joka]

- liquid cooling, is that a good thing ?
No, coz it clearly demonstrate Apple (or should i say IBM, Motorola, whatever) isnt able to get a proper processor.

What the hell does this mean?  Looks like uninformed, incoherent bullshit, but feel free

If we assume that liquid cooling is the least prefered method for hardware developers too cool down their processors, kinda like a B plan.. . C if you will. Then it says IBM wasen't able to create a good enough processor that stays cool with "regular" cooling dosen't it?

Then again I know shit about processors and liquid cooling might even be the prefered way too cool em' down (not that it is, maybe becouse of price   )

I think that was what bobby was trying to say, get it cobra?

[Mr. Lothario]

     Physically speaking, liquid cooling is far more efficient. Design-wise, it has the potential to be messy (and probably harmful to the electronics) if it leaks, and there's the possibility of clogging the pump(s). A careful design can minimize the former and eliminate the latter, leaving liquid cooling as a good thing overall.

[Revolt]

Apple Store

the good thing abotu the new 5's is the oild ones are cheaper

Refurbished Power Mac G5  
Units subject to stringent refurbishment process prior to sale.
Power Mac G5 1.6 GHz 256MB/80GB/SuperDrive/GigE/56K $1,299.00
Power Mac G5 1.8 GHz 512MB/160GB/SuperDrive/GigE/56K  $1,499.00
Power Mac G5 DUAL 1.8GHz 512MB/160GB/SuperDrive/GigE/56K $1,799.00
Power Mac G5 DUAL 2GHz 512MB/160GB/SuperDrive/GigE/56K  $1,999.00

woot dual 2.0 2000

WHILE SUPPLIES LAST

Edited the URL.

[the oNe]

Great Deals!

[Supernatural Pie]

Really good deals.

However, I was wondering if there's any way to get an Education discount with the Special Deals...

and then maybe take out the superdrive...

And then you've got yourself a $900 G5.

[seth]

The frequency was increased by half of one GHz (that's a 25% clock speed increase per processor).  I'm afraid I don't get where you're coming from here.

my point is, i dont think the half a Ghz increase is due to the processor itself or the way it is manufactured, but mainly because of the introduction of a new cooling system far more efficient that the previous one.

You dont seem to realize that, or you dont want to realize it coz you're one of those fans who'd say amen to anything as long as its Apple's. The good thing though, is that Apple's marketing is doing a hell of a job, you're the proof of that .

[Ace]

The frequency was increased by half of one GHz (that's a 25% clock speed increase per processor).  I'm afraid I don't get where you're coming from here.

my point is, i dont think the half a Ghz increase is due to the processor itself or the way it is manufactured, but mainly because of the introduction of a new cooling system far more efficient that the previous one.

You dont seem to realize that, or you dont want to realize it coz you're one of those fans who'd say amen to anything as long as its Apple's. The good thing though, is that Apple's marketing is doing a hell of a job, you're the proof of that .

Are you a chip designer. Are you an electrical engineer at least? Hell, are you an engineer at all? A 25% clock speed increase is significant. Take a look at Intel. It was a bitch for them to go from 3.2 GHz to 3.4 GHz, barely more than a 5% increase.

Of course, if you are the grand poobah of modern chip design, by all means tell me to shut the fuck up. But until then, do some research before you run your mouth. I am a computer engineer, and I'm telling you that this is no trivial feat.

[l ! l Ross]

The frequency was increased by half of one GHz (that's a 25% clock speed increase per processor).  I'm afraid I don't get where you're coming from here.

my point is, i dont think the half a Ghz increase is due to the processor itself or the way it is manufactured, but mainly because of the introduction of a new cooling system far more efficient that the previous one.

You dont seem to realize that, or you dont want to realize it coz you're one of those fans who'd say amen to anything as long as its Apple's. The good thing though, is that Apple's marketing is doing a hell of a job, you're the proof of that .

The CPU in the new G5 is not the same as the last one. Its a 90nm G5 thats smaller than the last one. It is not simply a overclocked CPU from the first G5.

[crypt]

Bobby, have you no faith in Apple and IBM?

[BFG]

You dont seem to realize that, or you dont want to realize it coz you're one of those fans who'd say amen to anything as long as its Apple's. The good thing though, is that Apple's marketing is doing a hell of a job, you're the proof of that .

It would all be fine and dandy saying that, if apple had just taken the old G5's over clocked them and stuck some cooling in to try and stop them from burning up... and we'd all gone doo lally over how fantastic it was. but the fact of the matter is that these new G5's have some major changes and inproments, and good inproments and worthwhile inproments at that.

[seth]

Crypt, i'm an Apple fan too, i sure wish long life to the powermacs and powerbooks.

Apple can surprise us, as it just did with the airport express.

But i'm afraid Apple is more and more concentrating on non-computer stuff, the i-stuffs if you will. And why would they do otherwise, its with those gadgets they make their money.

[Cobra]

Toxic::Joka
If we assume that liquid cooling is the least prefered method for hardware developers too cool down their processors, kinda like a B plan.. . C if you will. Then it says IBM wasen't able to create a good enough processor that stays cool with "regular" cooling dosen't it?

Then again I know shit about processors and liquid cooling might even be the prefered way too cool em' down (not that it is, maybe becouse of price? )

I think that was what bobby was trying to say, get it cobra?

Yeah, I get it.  Yet his statement remains implausible and disjointed.

my point is, i dont think the half a Ghz increase is due to the processor itself or the way it is manufactured, but mainly because of the introduction of a new cooling system far more efficient that the previous one.

You are incorrect.  See Ace's post.

You dont seem to realize that, or you dont want to realize it coz you're one of those fans who'd say amen to anything as long as its Apple's. The good thing though, is that Apple's marketing is doing a hell of a job, you're the proof of that .

Hah hah...you have got to be shitting me...

I would consider myself far from being a blind Apple apologist.  Are you stating this because you have no facts or evidence to buttress your own ignorant assertions?  I'm sure of it.  If you'd like to rebut something particular in any of the arguments I've made, I encourage you to do so, but you have to support your claims.  Attempting to palliate my credibility with statements like this make you come across as a pretentious dipshit.

[Supernatural Pie]

But i'm afraid Apple is more and more concentrating on non-computer stuff, the i-stuffs if you will.

Then this must be the iG5, right?



I'm sorry bobby, but I think I have to go to the archives for the suitable response:

[BFG]

lol looks more like he's sticking his finger up his nose searching for that illusive boggy rather than 'shushing'

ps... snipe if the iG5's are the same price as the iMacs can u put me down for two please

[BTs_Mysterio]

I must say that those who protest apple's expansion into music need to stand back a bit. The revenue the iPod has made helped to bring apple the the debt free situation. There is no reason to say that they can't do both because they show that they can. That's that. It isn't worth arguing over something a 2D as that.

Cobra, your only response to my comment on this not being new was complete BS. It wasn't new because there were already 90nm processors. If apple put a 1.8 130nm processor out one month, then released a 2.0 130nm processor the next the 2 wouldn't be a revolution. Sure, it's great to support Apple, but don't try to over inflate a speed bump and tweak to the cooling.

[*DAMN Mauti]

Damnit I also want such refurbished prices, grrr. I would immediatly buy a 2.0 Rev A for 1999 bucks...

Just waiting here a little bit how the price situation develops...

A new G5 can only be a question of few weeks until I have mine  

Mauti

[c| Lone-Wolf]

Ive decided to wait til late July, after WWDC (it is in July, right?) well, after the WWDC, whenever that is, is when ill order, just to be sure dual 3 GHz machines, as insanely unlikely as they may be, dont show up.  Just incase.  

Plus, that gives time for a quick shakedown of problems to occur, and hopefully be fixed.  (Like any problems with liquid cooling exploding in a small nuclear bomb, or something like that)