G5s Released

[BTs_Mysterio]

I'm just going to sit here and wait for WWDC to see the shocked look on the face of 2.5 buyers when they see apple screw them by releasing Dual 3s. Then again, 2.5 is good, but to pay top dollar to see apple pull a apple and do the 3 at WWDC could prove funny.

Again, apple didn't do this right. This being the release of 2.5 when they said 3. They shouldn't have said 3 or they should have just over clocked this liquid cooled beast to make it at-least 2.6-2.8.

[BFG]

nothing new in those powermacs. Basically, its a G5 overclocked by Apple .

Yeah the liquid cooling is nothing new...
or the system bus boost on the 2.5Ghz Model...
And the graphics cards are the same...
and the internal casing is the same...
The X8 speed DVD writer is the same...

So completely the same, if you ignore all the changes  

[l ! l Ross]

nothing new in those powermacs. Basically, its a G5 overclocked by Apple .

No its a 90mn chip. Smaller than the last one.

[.vooDoo.]

Well, looks like im going to wait untill after WWDC. The new 2.5ghz EST. Ship date is July and no paticular date. So it wont hurt me to wait to see if the 3ghz is unvealed.

[l ! l Ross]

Well, looks like im going to wait untill after WWDC. The new 2.5ghz EST. Ship date is July and no paticular date. So it wont hurt me to wait to see if the 3ghz is unvealed.

THERE WILL BE NO 3GHZ AT WWDC!!

It will be 6th months till the G5 update or if it is like the last update then it will be a year.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Well, looks like im going to wait untill after WWDC. The new 2.5ghz EST. Ship date is July and no paticular date. So it wont hurt me to wait to see if the 3ghz is unvealed.

THERE WILL BE NO 3GHZ AT WWDC!!
It will be 6th months till the G5 update or if it is like the last update then it will be a year.

Well, history tells me different.  BTs_Fahq and I both bought single processor 1.8GHz G5s only for Apple to release Dual-Processor 1.8GHz G5s just a month later (or 14 days in my case).  So I say better safe than sorry and wait and see.  There is no way in the world I would buy a 2.5GHz G5 right now (and I have the money to burn).  

[Supernatural Pie]

There is no way in the world I would buy a 2.5GHz G5 right now (and I have the money to burn).  

Well, you could always buy ME one (cause I don't have the money to burn).  

[Cobra]

bobby
nothing new in those powermacs. Basically, its a G5 overclocked by Apple.

I might agree with you, if not for the fact that you're absolutely wrong.  Sorry  

-MP5-Mysterio
I'm just going to sit here and wait for WWDC to see the shocked look on the face of 2.5 buyers when they see apple screw them by releasing Dual 3s. Then again, 2.5 is good, but to pay top dollar to see apple pull a apple and do the 3 at WWDC could prove funny.

You still think they're releasing 3GHz G5's at WWDC?!  ...I'll send you a picture of my immense surprise when it doesn't happen...

-MP5-Mysterio
They shouldn't have said 3

Yes, now you've got it.

Well, history tells me different.  BTs_Fahq and I both bought single processor 1.8GHz G5s only for Apple to release Dual-Processor 1.8GHz G5s just a month later (or 14 days in my case).  So I say better safe than sorry and wait and see.  There is no way in the world I would buy a 2.5GHz G5 right now (and I have the money to burn).  

Apple didn't upgrade the 1.8GHz G5's less than a month after the G5's were originally announced...

There will NOT be 3GHz G5's at WWDC.  Apple itself has stated this:

Apple's Tom Boger
When we made that prediction, we just didn't realize the challenges moving to 90  nanometer would present. It turned out to be a much bigger challenge than anyone expected.

...

All-in-all, no we are not getting to 3GHz anytime soon.

Apple would not upgrade the PowerMac line now, and then upgrade it again in less than a month.

Edit: And I suck at teh intarw3b.

[crypt]

Ya, Voods, you may want to go ahead and place that order, they might backorder the 2.5 GHz G5's if you wait until after WWDC. But who knows.

[.vooDoo.]

bobby
nothing new in those powermacs. Basically, its a G5 overclocked by Apple.

I might agree with you, if not for the fact that you're absolutely wrong.  Sorry  

I just confirmed in the Apple forums that the new 2.5 ghz G5 is indeed using the new 970fx chips running at 90nm.  

[Cobra]

Yup  

[BFG]

Holy cow how many times untill people realise? Your not going to see 3.0Ghz G5s for a while, probably quite a long while, any quicker than the time it take to go from 2.0 to 2.5? no i doubt it.

Your not going to see G5 laptops this year.

The end.

[Ace]

Using the single 1.8 -> dual 1.8 bump to justify any rumors about 3 GHz processors coming soon is stupid. Adding a second 1.8 GHz processor when you already have the dual mobo ready from the 2 GHz is a trivial task. Going from 2.5 GHz to 3 GHz is such an immensely more difficult process. Basically, the former was a marketing decision, while the latter is a technical problem.

[the oNe]

nothing new in those powermacs. Basically, its a G5 overclocked by Apple .

Yeah the liquid cooling is nothing new...
or the system bus boost on the 2.5Ghz Model...
And the graphics cards are the same...
and the internal casing is the same...
The X8 speed DVD writer is the same...

So completely the same, if you ignore all the changes  

Hi,

The only graphic card that is the same is the stock nVidia 5200 Ultra which has 64mb DDR RAM, the other two ATI graphic cards are new and different.  For starters the ATI Radeon9600XT has 128mb DDR RAM and the ATI Radeon 9800XT has 256mb DDR RAM.  Think of it as a better equiped first generation PowerMac G5.


Sincerely,
oNe

[BFG]

hehe sorry i forgot to enter the [sarcasm] comments - i was so busy entering all the things that apparently handn't changed and thus ment that the the new versions were just 'the same machines overclocked'.

I will remember next time

[seth]

- liquid cooling, is that a good thing ?
No, coz it clearly demonstrate Apple (or should i say IBM, Motorola, whatever) isnt able to get a proper processor.
Apple's marketing director said at a press conference that 3 Ghz aint gonna happen anytime soon, and that powerbooks G5 aint gonna happen anytime soon either.

As for the processor, if its indeed the 970fx, that'd be a good start but whats the point in having 90 nm processors if we cannot increase the frequence !
Decrease the heat generated ? hum...

- graphic cards:
like it was Apple who manufactures those !
and FX Ge force 5200 Ultra, what the hell !!!!

- 256 MB RAM on entry level computer, how does that sound ?

- what about optional bluetooth and airport  ?

[BTs_Mysterio]

Ok time for a unbiased list... don't look at me that way.

Good
-It's faster
-It has decent graphics cards
-They didn't use that cheap fake design we saw before
-The G5 boxes are now slicker

Bad
-No ATI X800 or NV 6800
-No PCI Express (that isn't PCI-X)
-Still low ram for low end
-Couldn't the G5 boxes have been made into 1 shield instead(not like the fake one, like this but no cut)

Ugly
-Liquid cooling shows that the 90nm has some heat problems
-Liquid cooling in notebooks?
-Cheap Graphics card for LOW end
-Only one all new system

Questions raised
-Why didn't they wait for WWDC?
-Why did they make such a speed gap between 1.8-2.5 when the prices don't reflect that?
-Who's in-charge of Apples Graphics Card choice? NVIDIA's new better chip is 100% mac compatible if it is manufactured.
-Will Steve dare show his face at WWDC?
-Can Apple get the G5s into the Powerbooks? Are they the big WWDC news?
-Could the all dual leave room for a G5 iMac? G5 cube?
-New G5's=New Displays?

Comment
-The 90nm G5 isn't a NEW thing. You keep saying it was a great revolution for the G5s, but it happened in January with the Xserves.
-I don't know much about liquid cooling, but I just picture a lot can go wrong if it's used in portables or desktops that are moved a lot.
-I still ask WHAT THE HELL?! Why is the 1.8 and 2.0 expensive in comparison to the 2.5? Is this a ploy to make us buy the top end machine because it looks more bang for buck? Way to manipulate steve.

There. Done. Happy?

[the oNe]

Hi,

Mysterio the ATI X800 and nVidia 6800 graphics cards aren't even released yet for the PC. You can pre-order them however.  In other words, Apple is tinkering with the latest processor technology which is unstable.  There are some technology that hasn't been "invented" yet or would be too expensive for a consumer product.


Sincerely,
oNe

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

Ugly
-Liquid cooling shows that the 90nm has some heat problems
-Liquid cooling in notebooks?

The PC world has been using liquid coooling for yrs now.. w few if any major probs that I have heard of. So I dont see why apple should not take part in using this technology to cool the computers.. Mybye they will make a newer powerbook that wont burn your leggs if you use it too long!!

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Lemme get this straigt, for 2 grand you can get a Dual 1.8ghz, but it comes with 256 MB SDRAM and its only expandable to 4 GB? And they cut the hard drive to 80 GB?