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[seth]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/24/film.moore.reut/index.html


Hope it hits US theater soon, cant wait to see that documentary.

[one one]

wasn't that blocked from airing by like NBC or something since it critisized the goverment?

[BFG]

They probably regard him as being a Threat to inland security and as an anti terrorist measure  cannot allow it to be shown!

*cough* someone say freedom of speach? Yeah thats fine as long as we agree with what your sayiing!


- Amazing. i never realised Boweling for Colombine was the most successfull Documentry in the US!!

[BTs_GhostSniper]

They probably regard him as being a Threat to inland security and as an anti terrorist measure  cannot allow it to be shown!

*cough* someone say freedom of speach? Yeah thats fine as long as we agree with what your sayiing!

- Amazing. i never realised Boweling for Colombine was the most successfull Documentry in the US!!

All of Michael Moore's films are total fiction.  If you think otherwise, then you are just as fucked up in the head as he is.

By the way, the U.S. Government will let this movie be aired.  Destroying Freedom of Speech is something the Europeans are much better at than we are.

[BFG]

Thats right GS....

Americans don't own guns do they. The colombine shooting never happend.... You don't have a organisation called the national rifle association.... the list goes on....

[seth]

All of Michael Moore's films are total fiction.

Facts that havent been related by US media arent necessarily fictional.

[Abe 2.0]

I have no problem with Moore until people start calling his films documentaries, because they are anything but that. It's heavily politicized entertainment, nothing more. He presents a very narrow perspective of the problem, then omits views and arguements that don't fit into his analysis......if this guy is a documentary film-maker, then Rush Limbo is a serious journalist.

[Mr.Mellow]

Michael Moore does horribly twist opinions and facts to suit his needs. I recall reading an interview with someone who was interviewed on that particular documentary. The man had been shot 4 times during a robbery of his store, and Moore cut up the interview to make it seem like he was speaking out against guns. In actuality, the man is an avid gun owner. Anyways, I could go on, but still. I'm a big big democrat, except when it comes to gun control. It wouldn't bother me if it weren't for the fact that the media gets all of it's facts wrong, and makes it sound like you can buy all sorts of horrible weapons legally. People who speak out against guns say things like "Oh, you don't need to hunt with an AK-47!" Well, that's very true, and that's why automatic weapons and high capacity magazines have already been banned in the U.S. years ago, except for certain license holders. Yet, the media makes it seem like they haven't been banned, and they're readily available for purchase. They're calling for more weapons to be banned but the ones they say they want to ban are already illegal. It annoys me and doesn't make any sense.   And I"m done ranting now. lol.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Michael Moore is such an idiot...I guess people don't remember this jackass calling 9/11 "occasional, horrible incidents" in the context that they were not terrorist attacks. Also in that 2003 interview on the Today show he throws this piece of garbage out: "How many people died because of terrorism last year? None."

If this idiot hadn't gone off the deep end and cut any and all interviews up to meet his ideas, then he might be seen as somewhat credible. But since he has thrown all of his credibility out of the window, he should be seen as nothing more than the left's response to Rush Limbaugh. There was a time when he made more objective pieces, a la Roger and Me, but those days are long gone.

There is a reason why he has had several libel suits against him, consider that before some of you leftists heap all sorts of praise on him like those idiots in France at the Cannes festival.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Here is an example of what Michael Moore does (to a degree).

This is something BFG said: "9/11 woot. another good looking video. There isn't any footage that i didn't see that I didn't like. American little fuckers got what they deserve."

Note that he really didn't say it in this context nor did he say all of these things at the same time. Nonetheless, he said it at one point of time or another and in Michael Moore's eyes, that is fair game.

[seth]

still if he did that at a point (its commonly used in the media), you make it sound like the whole documentary is like this. It is not.

The interesting point is, wheter you like Moore or not, you cant stay neutral to his work. And just for that, he's doing a good job.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

still if he did that at a point (its commonly used in the media), you make it sound like the whole documentary is like this. It is not.

You're right, only the stuff perceived to be the most damning is like what I had just done above. As for the media commonly doing stuff like this, are you out of your fucking mind? If mainstream media did what Michael Moore did, there would be an endless parade of libel suits due to misrepresenting people and twisting words into opinions that weren't genuinely their's. Twisting of words like this only happens occasionally, and generally only happens when the person doing the twisting has alterior motives like Moore does.

I don't know how the media in France such as TV-5 operate, but America doesn't operate the way you think it does.

[*NADS Lo$eMoney]

As for the media commonly doing stuff like this, are you out of your fucking mind? If mainstream media did what Michael Moore did, there would be an endless parade of libel suits due to misrepresenting people and twisting words into opinions that weren't genuinely their's. Twisting of words like this only happens occasionally, and generally only happens when the person doing the twisting has alterior motives like Moore does.

I don't know how the media in France such as TV-5 operate, but America doesn't operate the way you think it does.

Actually I saw it happen just recently.  CNN was doing a report on middle eastern opinions after, I believe, the wheel chair bound leader of Hamas was assassinated.  They showed a large group of Palestinians chanting at his funeral "allah uakbar" (sp?).  The reporter then went on to say they were chanting "eye for an eye".  However if you knew anything about Islam you would know they were saying "god is great".  It seemed that they were trying to make people even more paranoid about terrorism than they already are.  I was disgusted by this blatent insult to real journalism and I no longer watch CNN

[seth]

growing concerns about Bush's foreign policy, and by americans...

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/16/bush.criticism/index.html

[The Golden Shark]

Also in that 2003 interview on the Today show he throws this piece of garbage out: "How many people died because of terrorism last year? None."

LOL!! thats because terrorism is the most subjective thing ever invented the world. Think about it. The the iraq's (or at least a few, so i don't make a generalization) think that we are terrorists. one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. remember that. Remeber the revolutionary war? how do you think we won? Yeah, thats right with terrorist actions... surprise attacks and the whole miguilla. i happens everywhere. If bush was so against terrorism he would nuke himself. Thats turth.

As for micheal moore, the guy makes great films about whatever the fuck he wants. They aren't fiction... and if you think that all the facts that he presents are fake, then you have a large problem with trusting the government way tooo much. The fact of the matter is, Micheal Moore makes compeling movies about his beliefes. The films he has made have been labeled as documentaries. Accept it. Nobody thought Pablo Picasso was an artist at first, and then look at what happend.

As for that shit about him chopping interviews up to make it mean what he wants.... Welcome to life. Everyone has some kind of agenda. The media does it all over the place. We are lied to all the time. Our government is a prime example of this. Do you think everything you hear from them is the whole truth?? that all the facts about sadam, and terrorist threats and shit are the whole truth? no fucking way. Everyone does it, democrates too. No one is free. Even you and I do it, just on a smaller scale. I hate to inform you, but the world is not a wonderful truthful place were everyone cares and wears a big smile.

[bronto]

Moore - cut an interview to fit his agenda of removing bush from office

Bush - went to war with iraq to fit his agenda of...of...oh he doesn't have a legitimate agenda aka war on terrorism.

[cO.Kuza]

They probably regard him as being a Threat to inland security and as an anti terrorist measure  cannot allow it to be shown!

*cough* someone say freedom of speach? Yeah thats fine as long as we agree with what your sayiing!

- Amazing. i never realised Boweling for Colombine was the most successfull Documentry in the US!!

All of Michael Moore's films are total fiction.  If you think otherwise, then you are just as fucked up in the head as he is.

By the way, the U.S. Government will let this movie be aired.  Destroying Freedom of Speech is something the Europeans are much better at than we are.

GS this is such a "Go with the flow" point of view. GS there was a girl at this school in Arizona who wrote a poem for a poetry slam thing... Her poem consisted of Anti-bush words and questioned our government's policies. About 2 weeks later the principal of the school was asked to leave and the girl was expelled from the school....Tell me if they would do this in Europe?
Ill see if i can get a link to this.. but this frankly disgusts me. I hate the fact that i was born in such a country were the people are pumped with propaganda. as soon as i can make enough money to support myself i will move out of this "home of the free" and go to europe were i can get my free speach restricted. Im done with this shit.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

as soon as i can make enough money to support myself i will move out of this "home of the free" and go to europe were i can get my free speach restricted.

I have made the following offer to several people in the past....you are more than welcome to it as well:

I will buy your plane ticket to anywhere in the world as long as you give up your American Citizenship and never return, not even to visit.

[bronto]

GS, i will be taking you up on that offer when i get out of college, so be ready in about 4 1/2 years with a one way to ticket to amsterdam.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

GS, i will be taking you up on that offer when i get out of college, so be ready in about 4 1/2 years with a one way to ticket to amsterdam.

lol....at least you picked someplace cool like Amsterdam!  I know some of the people on this forum would want to go live in their Socialist Mecca called FRANCE!