Iraqi Prisoners Shown Humiliated

[tasty]

I think we should all keep in mind how much of this goes on in war (on both sides) that isn't caught on film. Only a tiny minority of abusers are ever stupid enough to document their crimes on tape.

[abe 2.0]

This whole affair really makes me sick and i am ashamed at the way some members of our armed forces are behaving in Iraq. I have a feeling that this goes further than a few "bad apples" in a reserve MP regiment.....
you should all read the seymour hersh article in the new yorker if you havent already:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040510fa_fact

[KoS PY.nq.ict]

Jesus H. Christ......


Shit like this happens in every war....

I don't see you bitching about how American POW's were treated in Vietnam...or how American Pilots were brutalized, raped, murdered, and then had their body parts dragged through Somalian streets....or how those same Iraqi prisoners in those pictures tortured American soldiers during the 1st Gulf War...

Hey here's a thought...

I heard someone recently bitching about how the military is full of a bunch of ass-sucking conservatives always ready to rape someone else's culture....To be honest...I'm glad...

If the military were left for a bunch of bleeding heart liberals...we'd all have british accents and eating fucking creme brulet....

[BFG]

 don't see you bitching about how American POW's were treated in Vietnam...or how American Pilots were brutalized, raped, murdered, and then had their body parts dragged through Somalian streets....or how those same Iraqi prisoners in those pictures tortured American soldiers during the 1st Gulf War...

Yes they did. Yes they do. So does the fact its happend before justify it happening now? people should shut up and say 'well they did it to us so we are going to do it to them'.... and then u try take the high moral ground?? I would have thought if nothing more the Israel/palestine conflict had proven beyond doubt that retaliation does not work, it simply fuels the fire.

To say its the same prisoners in the pictures who tortured american soldiers during the 1st gulf war is mad, ok there is a very very remote chance, but to be honest, it just sounds like an attempt to justify the actions of those soldiers. There is NO justification for those actions.

If the military were left for a bunch of bleeding heart liberals...we'd all have british accents and eating fucking creme brulet....

Oi watch it nothing wrong with a british accent... whichever one u pick that is (minus welsh, shudder)
oh and i'll pass on the creme brulet thanks, my steak and chips are almost ready

[KoS PY.nq.ict]

1. I'm not endorsing the actions these idiots took in torturing Iraqi prisoners...

2. Sorry about knocking on the british accent...I had just seen The Patriot and you know how inspiring Mel Gibson can be     EDIT: I meant French accent.......yea....


My main point is that I'm tired of hearing people complain about these things. War is war...it ain't a fuckin tea party...shit like that happens...but what the fuck are you gonna do about it thousands of miles away sitting at your desk typing on a keyboard...How would you respond if you were carrying a gun in your hands and someone started killing your friends around you...Would you throw it to the ground and start singing Koombaya? Honestly....think about it...

[BFG]

lol no worries. we sound rather funny i no my dear chap, wot wot. tally ho

People complain becasue they are not happy. To not complain would suggest that you are happy with war. ok thats rather simplistic i know. People want to voice their discontent about what is going on, and that is great.

if you were carrying a gun in your hands and someone started killing your friends around you.... Would you throw it to the ground and start singing Koombaya? Honestly....

No, i would shoot back, without question. However that is not what has happend. These are prisoners, they were completely at the mercy of their captors - if there had been a prison riot and the iraqs were shooting the prison guards, i would not blame the prison guards for shooting back. howeved If i were a part of the occupying force that has 'liberated' iraq from a dictator, who murdered and tortured his own people... i would not do the same. i wouldn't do it full stop. end of story.

None of this is acceptable. And for people to speak up about how they are unhappy with it is great. Admitedly its not doing a whole lot of good here, but the more things like this are kept in peoples minds, the more people might stop and think about what is going on.... And for just one person to change the way they think about what is happening in the world right now makes it worth it.

[KoS PY.nq.ict]

I guess what I was getting at was the emotions you feel during war. Your friends are dead so you want to exact revenge against the pigs who killed them. Same goes for how the Iraqis feel...It's the way war works.


P.S. It'd make my day if you'd type..."Indubitably...Now won't you join me for some tea and crumpets ol chap?

[BFG]

Yeah, and that can be one of the most dangerouse things. People are blinded by hatred and/or the need to feel they can exact revenge to deal with their loss .... well in some extream cases. But in this case i don't think that was the case. In some of them it just seemed a big joke - lets make them all pile up naked and laugh etc... the more seriose stuff for instance the psychologica torture well, it is horribly calucated and cold - its not a quick kicking or somthing - its prolonged and extreamly disturbing.

ps... well just for you
Jolly fine idea my old chap. indubitably. oh i say, wont you join me for some tea and crumpets my dear chap? Jeeves is just bring them now wot wot

[cO.gabe]

You know what is quite enjoyable? Auto-erotic asphyxiation.  Yes...quite, quite.  

** paddle paddle **

["Sixhits"]

This is the worst public humilation of the armed forces in my lifetime.

Rumsfield should be fired.
The General and attendant officers in the chain of command leading directly to those soldiers who commited these acts should be investigated, and if found willfully complicit or willfully ignorant, then courtmartialed as well.
The President should offer a public, humble appology to the world and to the Iraqi people.

Nothing else will be satisfactory.

["Sixhits"]

Sometimes I think it's good to put things in perspective.

As much as I dispise what has gone on in Iraq, it's nothing compared to 911.

[BFG]

Yeah totally Sixhits. Your absolutly right....

That is if you regard those members of the US Army To be fundamentalist terrorists... of course its far worse than a bit of torture.

But there was i thinking that the US and the Coalition were helping Iraq be liberated, from an evil dictator who murdered and tortured his people.

911 - terrorists fly two planes into the World trade towers killing thousands..

iraq - Pictures show US soldiers Torturing prisoners, degrading them in specific ways that apply to their religion including sexual acts, beside reports of sevear beatings and rape and buggery.

Hell if we want to put all this 'into perspective'  How about we talk about AIDS?

["Sixhits"]

What's terrible about the rash of torture in Iraq is that no one expected to find that Americans would be so brutal. No one, except the terrorists. Which makes these actions of terror our boys and girls did so treasonous. They've undercut the legitamacy of our occupation and everything America stands for.

These actions have left us bare, revealing us to be as evil as any Iraqi local or militant Islamist can imagine.

The tenuous thread of legitamacy behind our endeavour was the ONLY thing the US had in Iraq. Remember hearts and minds? These soldiers, their commanders, the Sec of Def, and the President have pissed it away.

It gives comfort to the enemy in the most direct form: by driving those people we came to save into the arms of our enemies.

[the oNe]

this shit would have never happened if the european crusades didn't charge into the middle east and initiated jihad.

Religions start wars, not countries.

though, not all wars are started by religions...there is always some sort of religion involved such as World War 2.

[Cow]

1.  its prolly some BS pictures to make the US all shitty
2.  if its not those fucking iraqis deserve it.  we should torture/rape/kill every iraqi captive per American death, that way those fucking bastards wont hide in buildings and wear street clothes like pussy's.  they deserve every second of torture, dont fuck with the US.

["Sixhits"]

1.  its prolly some BS pictures to make the US all shitty
2.  if its not those fucking iraqis deserve it.  we should torture/rape/kill every iraqi captive per American death, that way those fucking bastards wont hide in buildings and wear street clothes like pussy's.  they deserve every second of torture, dont fuck with the US.

And such tatics have had incredible success historically, right? It's a pity modern civilizations have to suffer fools like you so gladdly.

[BFG]

if its not those fucking iraqis deserve it.? we should torture/rape/kill every iraqi captive per American death, that way those fucking bastards wont hide in buildings and wear street clothes like pussy's.? they deserve every second of torture, dont fuck with the US.

Your one very fucked up kid. Go get some counseling

[Cow]

mac gaming made me this way

[Cossack]

Cow you gotta be joking.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Wow, I'm a militant right-wing Republican and cow even scared me with that.

lol....well, a little.