British Diplomats Attack Blair in open letter

[cO.gabe]

Btw, did anyone get any info on what Bush, erm, Cheny actually had Bush say today before the 911 Comis?

No, I think they are saying that it was a private meeting and therefore will not be going into detail about it.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

(I knew Blair was a liberal....how else could you explain him liking Clinton so much during the 90's?)

I hate to break it to you, but the vast majority of American's liked Clinton. In fact, the vast majority of the world liked Clinton. "Rockstart President" comes to mind ... (all double entandras intended).

Dude, you are living in another world if you think the vast majority of American's liked Clinton.  That is as far from the truth as anything I have ever read.  Maybe the vast majority of LIBERALS liked Clinton.....but I hate to break it to YOU, most Americans are NOT liberals.

["Sixhits"]

From '98

"The Monitor/TIPP poll found that Clinton's overall approval rating stands at 57 percent, while 40 percent disapprove of the job he is doing. Three percent were undecided."

http://www.tipponline.com/articles/97_99/csm/Mo100998.htm

From '99 (the height of the Repub smear job)

"But even so, Clinton's personal favorability rating dropped notably, from 59% in September to 48% in the latest survey, as Americans appeared to be drawing a distinction between job performance and the president's personal character. His unfavorability rating increased to 45% from 35%. Half feel he has the honesty and integrity to be president, whereas 41% suggest he does not."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/timespoll/la-980125internpoll,0,3784221.story?coll=la-news-times_poll-nation

Here's a gaff from Infoplease, and online Encyclopedia:

"Paradoxically, however, in spite of the scandalous outcome of events, Clinton's overall popularity among Americans remained high. The country seemed willing to ignore his weaknesses in character, much as they did in the 1992 elections, as long as the economy was good, his policies were popular, and the United States remained strong abroad"

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0760626.html

And the kicker from USA Today, 5/26/2003:
Respect for Clinton rebounds among Americans

"Bill Clinton now ranks as this nation's third best chief executive, according to a recent CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.

Only Abraham Lincoln (chosen by 15%) and John F. Kennedy (13%) finished ahead of Clinton (11%) in the April poll, which asked Americans who was "the greatest" president. George W. Bush managed to tie Clinton for third place."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/2003-05-26-wickham_x.htm


And here are Bush's current numbers:
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
Do  you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president?
46% approve, 47% don't approve, 8% don't know

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm
Is your opinion of George W. Bush  favorable, not favorable, undecided, or haven't you heard enough about George W.  Bush yet to have an opinion?

Fav 38%, unFav 43%, undecided 18%


just some numbers ....

Even during Clinton's darkest days he still had a hell of a lot of popularity, both personally and in his policies. As for Bush ....

His current number are:

"According to a recent poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, George W. Bush's overall job approval rating has dropped to 43 percent, down from 56 percent in mid-January. While these numbers can change quite rapidly, the most alarming figure is that only 40 percent of Americans approve of the way the Bush administration is handling the conflict in Iraq, with 53 percent outright disapproving. This number has dropped significantly since January lending credence to the theory that the mounting attacks against primarily U.S. forces have disillusioned the U.S. population."

http://www.pinr.com/report.php?ac=view_report&report_id=157&language_id=1

Bush's numbers are lower now than Bill during the Monica scandel and impeachment. Sorry to break it to YOU GS, but most Americans aren't fundamentalists, conservatives,  or right-wingers - they're MODERATES.  

["Sixhits"]

One other thing: Clinton's numbers staid consistant over 8 years, only dipping in '98-'99, unlike Bush's which were seriously inflated by 911. We're now seeing the real Bush numbers, rather than the "any port in a storm" numbers.

[Cossack]

GS, it also depends on where you live. I am sure if I talked to people in Biloxi, Mississippi (or wherever it is you live in that state) that the vast majority are not too fond of Clinton. However, if you go on the streets of Austin, Texas or any other urban portion of our nation you will find that many people approved of the job Clinton did.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

HELLO ALL IDIOTS WHO EVIDENTLY CAN NOT READ:

I said "LIKED", not "approved of his job performance."  There is a BIG difference.  Hell, that guy was so immoral that most people had to rush to the bathroom to wash the filth off after they shook his hand (ME being one of those people, by the way).  The military fucking HATED HIS GUTS.  Christians couldn't stand him.  And although the majority of Americans (that were polled....hardly proof to me) thought he performed his job to their satisfaction, they did not "LIKE" him.

Learn to read.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

[Ssickboy]

Omg He's got a gun!  Run for your lives!  

[Cossack]

Well I am a christian and I thought he was a good president.

[Ssickboy]

psst... (Cossak... hide dude)

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Well I am a christian and I thought he was a good president.

EXACTLY!  "Thought he was a good president."  That's my point.  A lot of people "thought he was a good president", however, that is not what I'm talking about.....I'm talking about how many people actually "LIKED" him, like as a person.  I think John F. Kennedy was a great President....but hell, he was just as immoral as Bill Clinton (at least JFK actually banged a few women in the White House....Bill Clinton wasn't nearly the playboy he was).  So while I think JFK was a good President, I do not "like" him much as a person because of all the immorality in his life (but at least he really was a war hero, quite unlike Bill Clinton....so JFK gets extra points there).

By the way, here is the tribute page I made for JFK several years ago:

John F. Kennedy

[*NADS Capt. Anarchy]

GS, do you realize how silly your point is? How many people can actually spend time with and get to know a president before they decide if they "like" him or not? Very few. And if you just read the papers, what do they report? Everything negative, of course. You can't judge a person by reading about them in the papers. The only way to get to know them is to spend time with them. But I will grant you that his morals were twisted and disagreeable.

And I hate to break it to you, but most Americans are NOT conservatives. If you look at the last presidential election (Which Al gore won the popular vote in, by the way. Yea, that means a MAJORITY voted for him.) everything hinged on ONE voting district in ONE state. I'd say that shows a pretty much 50/50 split.

My grandparents are Catholic. Just about as Catholic as them come. And you know what? They're against Bush and against the war. Funny how that works. My best friend is the biggest bible thumping redneck you will ever meet. It took about fifteen minutes for me to convince him with straight facts and quotes that bush is a moron.

But he's not a moron. He's a puppet.

[BFG]

verything hinged on ONE voting district in ONE state

that wouldn't be the same state as that inpartial brother of George presided? A one mr Jeb bush? ...

[BTs_GhostSniper]

And I hate to break it to you, but most Americans are NOT conservatives. If you look at the last presidential election (Which Al gore won the popular vote in, by the way. Yea, that means a MAJORITY voted for him.) everything hinged on ONE voting district in ONE state. I'd say that shows a pretty much 50/50 split.

I never said the majority of Americans are conservatives.  I simply said that the majority of Americans ARE NOT LIBERALS.  Another big difference that you guys who can not read didn't get.  Also, when you are talking about majorities in voting, you also have to understand that only a majority of the PEOPLE WHO VOTED, voted for that person.  Not everyone who can vote, does vote.  Which is a really bad problem in this country.

["Sixhits"]

The majority of Americans would likely self-identify as moderates with a political affiliation. Sadlly, the Republican party has no room for moderates anymore.

[BFG]

Not everyone who can vote, does vote.? Which is a really bad problem in this country.

 And alas not just a problem in the US... here as well as many other countries. daft isn't it we take for granted somthing that so many people die fighting for ... the ability to have a voice in the politics of your country...

[BTs_GhostSniper]

OMG....I just read two posts in a row (From Sixhits and BFG) that I actually agree with.

It's the end of the fucking world.

***GhostSniper runs for his bomb shelter....

["Sixhits"]

I thought you wanted the world to end ...

[BTs_GhostSniper]

I thought you wanted the world to end ...

Of course I don't want the world to end.....yet.  There are still so many things in life I havn't done:

1.  Torture Typhy to Death.

2.  Bitch-Slap VooDoo

3.  Live Long Enough to let BFG See the Error in his Ways

4.  See Season 4 of Alias

5.  See Star Wars Episode III

6.  Ummmm....did I mention Torture Typhy to Death?

[BFG]

Well ghost... shocking isn't it!!

I don't think thats going to happen very often...

[Mr. Lothario]

     You're looking forward to Episode III? Oh Ghost, how I pity you.