What a Joke

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Here is a story I found about how Saddam's new French Lawyer says we are mistreating him:

Saddam's French Lawyer

Give me a break.  We could torture that fucker on national T.V. and I wouldn't give a shit about his "rights".  What about the rights of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent men, women, and children this guy raped and murdered?

After torturing him, I suggest we beat the shit out of that French fucker that wants to defend him.  Hm, does it make anybody else wonder about French loyalties when you found out a French lawyer would be defending Saddam?

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

[th.Sentinel]

The only thing I have to say is:

If you think that way, you are no better then him...

[Cossack]

That lawyer is being paid to defend him. There are many defense atournies that defend people they know are guilty and that they know are despicable. It doesnt mean that they sympathize with a mass murderer personally. As for French loyalties, well I think their loyalties are to France.

[BFG]

If you think that way, you are no better then him...


Yes, hundreds of thousands of peole demanded rights... and under saddam they didn't get them. However you don't just say "well you don't get any rights either" ... Everyone is entitled to rights, thats what SHOULD differentiate you from them.

And please stop against the french. firstly it's rubbish and unfounded and secondly its just lame.

[Cutter]

i don't think he deserves that right either, but it doesn't matter because the trial is going to be in iraq, not the hague. and this lawyer, while having the balls to take on the worst of clients, hasn't fared well in their defense. his clients usually get life in jail. being that the trials are going to be in iraq, i doubt saddam will get that lucky.  

here's a little bit on the lawyer and some of his clients:   http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3578421.stm

[BTs_GhostSniper]

If you think that way, you are no better then him...
Yes, hundreds of thousands of peole demanded rights... and under saddam they didn't get them. However you don't just say "well you don't get any rights either" ... Everyone is entitled to rights, thats what SHOULD differentiate you from them.
And please stop against the french. firstly it's rubbish and unfounded and secondly its just lame.

Sure, I would love to stop being against the French (and by French here I am saying the French Government, not the French people).  But I'll tell you what, that has got to be the most un-appreciative government in the history of the world.  The United States bailed them out of World War I, World War II, and Vietnam.  How do they thank us?  They pull their forces out of NATO, they side with our enemies, they go against us at every opportunity in the United Nations, and they make policies that put Americans in danger.

Wow, and I'm supposed to be in love with THAT government???

The last time I visited France was for the 50th Anniversary of the D-Day Invasion at Normandy.  You should see the American Military Cemetaries there.....they are just beautiful.  So many Americans died there to make the French people free.  And now they just shit on us.

Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

P.S. Just on a side note, this French Lawyer is a Communist who married a known Terrorist that he defended in the 1950's.  Yeah, real nice guy there.

[BFG]

Every time, Every time its allways the "we saved their ass in WWII" ... The american's weren't the only ones to die fighting in WWII, to say they had no inpact would be rubbish, but to say that the french did not appreicate it is equally rubbish. There are cemetries from WWII everywhere, maybe they are not as clear and well kept as the american ones, many fallen soldiers are lost where they fell...

Perhaps they go against your actions becasue they believe them to be wrong? i do not see the relevance of linking that to the "we saved their ass so they should be our puppy dog" argument

what are these policies that put Americans in Danger? So as France sided with much of Europe ( as i believe the UK should have done) does that mean that countries like Germany are you enemy?

they go against us at every opportunity

absolutly every opportunity?  Lets take for instance the fact that the US recently blocked a draft UN statment on the recent murder of the religious leader of Hamas recently by israeli attack helecopters... Allmost all the rest of the world condemmed the action as unlawful etc, except the the US... France wasn't the only country 'siding with your enemies'... in fact i believe you were totally alone.

[Cutter]

no BFG, america was the only country with the balls to veto the bullshit resolution that mentioned nothing of the constant suicide bombings that this so-called religious leader personally ordered. infact england, germany, and romania abstained on the vote. so america wasn't totally alone.

[BFG]

Erm beside the point i belive... there has been more than enough comment on the problem of the terrorist attacks. but it goes back to the If you think that way, you are no better then him...
Yes there are terrorist attacks and suiside bombing's... that dosn't justify those actions taken by Israel.

[Cutter]

Yes there are terrorist attacks and suiside bombing's... that dosn't justify those actions taken by Israel.

wow. you're right bfg. and america has no right to go after usama either. and france had no right to go after the jackal. after every terrorist attack we should simply give in to their demands. when war is declared upon you you should simply roll over and surrender. you're absolutly right bfg we should just do what they want us too and there will be peace and love forever. LOL!

[Mr. Lothario]

     Hahahaha, oh, that's a good one, Cutter. You get bonus points for use of logical fallacy, too. Yes, obviously arguing against using the tactics that are condemned when terrorists use them is identical to arguing that we should give in to terrorists. How silly of all of us not to notice that. How COULD you, BFG?

[Mr.Mellow]

The only reason the Palestinians use suicide bombers is because that's the only weapon they have. Meanwhile, we give the Israelis billions of dollars in modern warfare equipment so they can just stomp the hell out of them. Real fair. Now, I'm not taking sides with the Palestinians, I think what they do is disgraceful, but just remember both sides' hands are dirty.
As for the lawyer...That's what lawyers do. Besides, it IS true that the Geneva convention was violated. When American POWs are paraded around on TV, we raise a shitstorm! However, when we do the same thing to Saddam Hussein, nobody says a damn word. Not that it matters. Who's gonna tell us what to do? We're the United States of fucking America. Now, I can sorta buy into the arguement that if we hadn't shown the Iraqis that Saddam was captured, the shit would be hitting the fan even harder over there. Nevertheless, it's mostly just good publicity and good politics for Bush.
Now...as for the anti-French sentiments, that will never change. Two rude cultures don't play nice together. Until the French or us Americans get an attitude change, it'll stay this way. Big deal. We're all men(and women), we can take it, although I can see how it'd be annoying to non-French/American readers.  
End rant. Back to being mellow.

[KoS.Rebel]

Only thing i have to say is.....only the french....only the french....WE SURRENDER!!!!!

[BFG]

Yeah stupid me Loth eh There i was thinking that the world was good v evil and black and white...

Especailly since i have obviously been suggesting the world rolls over to terrorism like a little puppy dog... um yes, becasuse i totally agree with terrorism don't i cutter, and i think they are all right, and i think saddam, and osma, and bush (lol) are good fair men.... lol

Perhaps my point was just a little to complicated for sombody to understand? lol well i guess i hang my head in shame loth

[Brutha]

We saved your ass in those great big wars over there....you owe us....yeah right...seems history knowledge only goes so far.....Did not the french help the americans in the war of independence? Wait wait...let us not stop there....did you not flee from british oppression in the first place...and now you asked them for their help? Is that not the traitor cowering back to its former leader?? Wait....here you go to war on a dictator that is torturing his own ppl...while you have done so for centuries? Be it indians or africans? Or are these examples you want to forget? And the two world wars are handy examples, because you tipped the balance in both of them....well then....how nice of you to help us. But that does not mean we should help you every time you need us to...and especially if it goes against our believes.

And why should the rest of the world be blamed for not helping the U.S. to get rid of a dictator that the U.S. is partly to blame for being there in the first place? STOP TELLING THE REST OF THE WORLD WHAT TO THINK!!!  You have been spreding shit all over this planet for the last 50 years...and all you can do is blame others......This planet is big enough for more than one race and more than one religion.

And ghostsniper...when you end your post with peace....don't you mean war? for that is all I can see from the narrow perspective you give in EVERY political post!

Peace for all
(and by the way...with "you" in this post I mean the american government)

[BFG]

LOL.

1. I love Mr. Lothario
2. I love Mr. Mellow
3. I love Mr. Brutha

... peace! lol

[BTs_GhostSniper]

We saved your ass in those great big wars over there....you owe us....yeah right...seems history knowledge only goes so far.....Did not the french help the americans in the war of independence? Wait wait...let us not stop there....did you not flee from british oppression in the first place...and now you asked them for their help? Is that not the traitor cowering back to its former leader?? Wait....here you go to war on a dictator that is torturing his own ppl...while you have done so for centuries? Be it indians or africans? Or are these examples you want to forget? And the two world wars are handy examples, because you tipped the balance in both of them....well then....how nice of you to help us. But that does not mean we should help you every time you need us to...and especially if it goes against our believes.

Let's start with France helping America during the Revolutionary War....that is not the same French government that is in power these days, now is it?  That French government was overthrown and a new one put in place after the American Revolution.  The people of France stormed the Bastille on July 14, 1789, starting the French Revolution that ended the monarchy in France forever.  It was the Monarchy in France that aided the United States, not the new French Government.  So, your argument here does not hold water (I am about to get my Master's Degree in World History....I already have a B.A. in History.....I know what I'm talking about).

Another point you are wrong on is the Indians and Africans.  Our government did not condone the torture of these people, individuals did.

Please stop trying to revise history to fit your argument.  What's wrong, are you still mad that the United States didn't make it into Norway at the end of World War II to liberate your country?  But yes, that is true, Norway was one of the few occupied countries that the Germans still held at the end of the war.  So sorry.

And no, I never said that countries we helped in the past should automatically HELP us when we need it....I am, however, saying that those countries shouldn't try to block us at every move.

And why should the rest of the world be blamed for not helping the U.S. to get rid of a dictator that the U.S. is partly to blame for being there in the first place? STOP TELLING THE REST OF THE WORLD WHAT TO THINK!!!  You have been spreding shit all over this planet for the last 50 years...and all you can do is blame others......This planet is big enough for more than one race and more than one religion.

I never said it wasn't.  And I'm not blaming anyone for not helping.  I am blaming them for hindering our efforts.

And ghostsniper...when you end your post with peace....don't you mean war? for that is all I can see from the narrow perspective you give in EVERY political post!

Well, as a person who has seen war, I just see things a little differently than you do.  For I am a warrior, a historian, a writer, and a political scientist (besides being a Fleet Sales Manager....lol).

Peace for all
(and by the way...with "you" in this post I mean the american government)

Sure, you want peace.  As do I.  But I tell you this....you will NEVER achieve peace by giving in to terrorists.  I know this for a fact.


Peace.

-GhostSniper Out.

[ghost.fr]

i dont know if i should reply, its not even funny what this ghostsniper says, well i'm so happy he is interested in france!!! well france is not interested in U!! And u know u will juge ur self soon and revisit ur jugment, history is full of contradiction and u watch to much foxnews.

Bush will loose his election and some!! some truth will come out when he will be gone!!

i'm sorry for u Ghostsniper!

ghost, the real one!! ;-)

HF

[BTs_GhostSniper]

i dont know if i should reply, its not even funny what this ghostsniper says, well i'm so happy he is interested in france!!! well france is not interested in U!! And u know u will juge ur self soon and revisit ur jugment, history is full of contradiction and u watch to much foxnews.
Bush will loose his election and some!! some truth will come out when he will be gone!!
i'm sorry for u Ghostsniper!
ghost, the real one!! ;-)
HF

Could you try re-writing that shit in English for me please?

[th.Sentinel]

I agree with Mr. Mellow here, both sides are equally guilty. The palestines don?t have the right killing innocent ppl. But Isra?l neither. I believe Sharon has to pay for his acts. To me he?s the next Hitler, he builds walls around a community, he disparages them. He doens?t allow them any rights. They are marked just like the jews were.
Hamaz, the biggest resistance against Sharon, is getting blackend by the media and the Isra?lian governement. I also think their suicide bombers are disgracefull and they should stop terrorist acts against civillians. But thats not the only thing Hamaz does. They raise money for charity. They build universitys and schools. They build hospitals and work for the supplies for the poor ppl on the streets. But you never hear about that on the news.
Like Mellow said the suicide bombers are the only way for them to trying to get some rights against their suppressers. But the problem is Sharon doens?t want to negotiate. He only does what he thinks is right for his ppl and not for the others. Just like Saddam did for his ppl. But is the US gonna attack Isra?l and bring down Sharon? No...
To Bush the only terrosist are the guys that don?t wanna work together with him in makin him richer.
My point is, Sharon is guilty and has to pay for that.