which clans are in the finals????

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

This CB had been planed out for like 2 hgrs....... WE had to wait for bucc to finish doing sme stuff b4 we could start it. Therre was no taticle use by waiitng till the last min. MP and Us had been tring to get CB's from everyone all night., We finaly CBed eachother (a very long and hard fought one) b/c there was no one left to cb. The ?B would have started an hr earlier but not everyone was ready!!

[Cutter]

sorry voo, but i just can't see how you could go to bed before the regular season ends, and then complain when you see you got bumped. yesterday was not only the last day of the season, it may have been the busiest. like i said i was only worried about the r6 ladder myself, but i stayed up until i saw the finals banner sometime around 3 am. EST. waiting to see if anybody made any moves. and you can bet your ass that if i was in a clan in the running for the first season of the rvs finals all of my clan would've been on and ready to get in any last minute cb.

doesn't typhy have a broken arm? and he still managed to do what was needed to get his clan into the finals. kudos typhy, if your arm really is broken i say cheers. it took balls to cb with a broken arm....and it paid off.

it's kind of a shame because last night after the BTs - MP cb was over there was more love in the b&g then there's been in quite some time. we all say gg's and stuff after a cb, but there was almost a bonding between the two clans last night. it was funny in a way, but very sincere on both sides. this season seemed fairly peacefull and that cb last night topped it off nicely.

btw, when does next season start?

[.vooDoo.]

Ok, I have multiple BTs members in here bombarding from all angles. I am the spokeperson for my clan and will be the only one posting on this issue. BTs, please respect this and have one voice speak for your clan.

[static]

cutter is correct on this one.  The "FINALS" banner appeared at 3am est (12am pst) making the official start of the finals.  So my question is, the system mauti has in place is automated.  Would it end the regular season and start the finals at the same time?
 

just a thought

static  

[Typhy]

cutter is correct on this one.  The "FINALS" banner appeared at 3am est (12am pst) making the official start of the finals.  So my question is, the system mauti has in place is automated.  Would it end the regular season and start the finals at the same time?
 

just a thought

static  

No. The system isn't automated. As Battle League admins, we have to go to our admin panel, and to "recalculate ladder", and select "activate finals".

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

WE had been talking to MP to try to get a cb going w/ about 2 hrs left in the season. WE had to wait for eight to get back.. then bucc was deleayed.. so finaly we got the cb going. I either expected MP to beat us 3-0 or the other way around. the score was2-0 BTs in the lead right around the time that the season timer ran out. well 45 min l8r the score came down to 2-2 and we were gong into thhe 4th game on the last map. WE were realy tring to get the cb started earlier but from past expiriance  have seeen several other clan post last min cb after the timer ran out ([01] posted one too this season)


Now last season |GM| has a cb that last like 35 mins after the eason timer ran out (and it was start w/ 50 mins left in the reg. season). It counted then. And i remember the c| thing too. I did remember that someone raised the question of should it count or not.. and it did count.

[Cutter]

if the season ended at 12:00 PST and the cb was submited at 11:42 PST then whats the problem? it was submited 17 minutes before the season ended.

[SAR(VoLaTile)]

Exactly Harvey!

Many clans have gone by with the rule that cbs count as logn as they start b4 the season ends.

It is a very interesting issue, but I think that this issue shoudl be discussed for next season, not this one. As for this season all clans went by that rule, so therefore if you want to question a rule let it apply for the next time because it would be unfair to penalize us for following the rules that everyone else went by.

[Typhy]

if the season ended at 12:00 PST and the cb was submited at 11:42 PST then whats the problem? it was submited 17 minutes before the season ended.

The season ended at 11:00 PST, the CB was submitted 42 minutes after the season ended.

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Typhy- it never became an issue.  I actually posted in the CB Drop Box that the CB was started before the end of regulation, and it got posted without issue.

I agree with Gambit.  What if you started a CB 3 hours before the deadline, and it became one of those mondo-technical issue plague, server switch, camptastic cbs that just never end.  I've been in at least 2 cbs that lasted over 3 hours, so it is very possible.  Is that CB not to be counted?  Just as Gambit said, no one will be able to predict how long a CB will last.

Point taken. However, we can't let failure to discuss, or notice such an issue in the past decide this one.

To quote the Battle League site ( ex ) "3 days, 14 hours until the finals".

As the Battle League site states it, it would appear that the regular season ends when that timer runs out, and the finals begin. When the final's begin, CBs from the clans who aren't in the finals are no longer counted.

In my opinion, we can't just say "It was handled this way in the past, let's always handle it this way now." This has been our first chance to take a look at such an issue, and how it might be unfair to other clans with situations like BoC's. I think that just saying "This is how we did it in the past" would be about as reasonable as saying "This is how Bondo defined *DAMN Ladder deadlines 2 years ago".

 

That's from a post in the admins section. I think it sums up my stance on the "we've done it in the past" argument.

It is a very interesting issue, but I think that this issue shoudl be discussed for next season, not this one. As for this season all clans went by that rule, so therefore if you want to question a rule let it apply for the next time because it would be unfair to penalize us for following the rules that everyone else went by.

If that were a rule, then I'd agree with you. Never has that been a rule, and this is the first instance of a CB coming in after the deadline that greatly effected the ladder.

[SAR(VoLaTile)]

It has not been a rule, but that is what everyone followed, therefore it leads other people to think "hey they did it, so can we"

If you want to challenge this then take back other wins! take back the win .::|N| needed to get to 2nd or 3rd place that season, take away c|'s wins that they needed, take all of them away. Oh but u cant its all in the past now. What happened yesterday was challenged, but if we see other people do it, then make it a rule before it happens!

It truely isnt fair to not coutn that cb just because we were following all the other clans

[Cutter]

The season ended at 11:00 PST, the CB was submitted 42 minutes after the season ended.

you would know more about when the season ended then me, but i'm pretty friggin sure that the banner didn't switch until 3:00 am EST. i was waiting for it to switch all damn night. that would make it 12:00 PST. when the timer said 0 hours left it was 11 PST, but that hour still had to run out and it never switched until 12:00 PST. im pretty damn sure of it.

[Typhy]

Cutter, as I said, the reason that the banner didn't change is because as admins, we have to "activate" the finals - it wouldn't change until we activated it.  

[static]

No. The system isn't automated. As Battle League admins, we have to go to our admin panel, and to "recalculate ladder", and select "activate finals".


Ok np but who was the admin that activated it at exactly at 3am?

he would have to be pretty damn good to pull that one off.  Don't you think?

Every BL that I have taken part in ended at 12PST.  (5 and counting).  I know I'm a nOOb!

The fact is that (01) posted a cb after the end and we did.  Also in those two cb's 3 or more admins were involved.  Do you think these guys would cb they thought it wasn't going to count?  We tried to get the cb going at 9pm est but because of both clans not being able to field players it got pushed back.  We have been told by Mauti himself as long as the cb is started atleast one hour prior to the end of the season it would count.  So maybe admins should check with Mauti on this one.  (Mauti's ruling 2 seasons ago for the c| last minute cb)


The facts are right in front of us.  Is has been the standard for some time now.  3 seasons ago while I was in the Network, same thing happened with the same result, it counted.  If changes are to be made next season maybe the better solution.


Hopefully the admins will respect what has been common practice for the past few seasons and let the RvS finals get under way.  If not no worries.

respectfully,


static

[cO.Vickedson]

Couldn't we just fix all this by letting in 6 clans to the finals like we used to?

4 is lame.

[Typhy]

Static, I'm not sure that we can accept a "common practice" that is so unfair to BoC.

he would have to be pretty damn good to pull that one off.? Don't you think?

Hey, if Civic can reply to a topic 30 seconds after it's started, then I think 6 BL admins can find a way to activate the finals at the exact time.

I still haven't made up my mind which side I'll take on this issue. I'm merely pointing out that I think it's something we have to look into, and can't just dismiss because "that's how it's been done in the past". [/color]

[static]

Cool no worries from me.  I have said my peace.

static

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

Static, I'm not sure that we can accept a "common practice" that is so unfair to BoC

well.. its unfair to BTs too.. b/c from what we have all heard and what bucc said too.. as long as the cb started in regulation time it counted. We plated one of the hardest CB i have played in!! Now someone wants to take away what i think mp will even say was a hard earned win!! either way its ruled will be unfair to one team in someones eyes. From what has been done in the past the cb's that will start b4 the season time is up but finished after the time was up still counted.

[Typhy]

Harvey, like I said in the Battle League Admins section, it's impossible to have a solution for this that is fair to both BTs and BoC.

From what has been done in the past the cb's that will start b4 the season time is up but finished after the time was up still counted.

As I said before, I don't care what's been done in the past. We never had a rule regarding this in the past; I think it's time that we got one, and stopped worrying about "what we did in the past." ( I'm getting tired of adressing this over and over. Read back through what I said earlier for an explaination that actually makes sense. )

My origonal suggestion still stands, my personal opinion of this would be that there is no solution that will be fair to both BoC and BTs, I think a fair middle ground would be a playoff between the two clans - a single CB - winner goes to the finals. The other admins don't seem to like this idea much, probably because it doesn't actually adress, or even regard this issue. It's just a faster way around. My personal opinion is that disputes about CBs should be settled in the game, and that one of the critical parts of this dispute is a fast resolution.  [/color]

[alaric]

I agree that this is a shitty situation for both clans, however I'd like to point out one small thing.

In the american legal system at least, judges tend to base their decisions off precedent, as in, what other decisions or practices have been in place. I think that the precedent here goes to BTs. It has been common practice to accept CBs that start before the official end time of the season but end after.

I also see no reason to change this precedent either. The length of a CB varies drastically from CB to CB so it only makes sense to go by the start time.

[SAR(VoLaTile)]

I don't agree with typhy's idea, because i still stand by the fact that we earned that cb fairly.

What I would liek to point out here is voodoo was accusing us of starting the cb AFTER the season ended not submitting it after. We have proven the fact that we started before, now its a different issue. Now it's a submittion issue. So according to what voodoo accused us of he was wrong. I think it's dumb to branch off to submittions like we did.

So point is we proved voodoo wrong in which he accused us of starting the cb before the season ended, therefore I see nothign for him to complain about. Submittion is a different thing, if you guys want to discuss that then do it for next season.