Future Gameranger update...!!

[Scrach]

Dumbass non premiums like you plague this community.

Hey Have you reilized that some people just might not have enough money to spend just to play games with a bold name or that their parents just don't give a shit.  Have you taken into consideration that the creater of GR just wants money to be able to provide stuff that should be availible to everybody.  Maybe I don't wan't to waste 50 dollars on a fucking bold name. So plz tell me how this makes me a Dumbass you dumbass.

[crypt]

I'm sorry Scrach, i wasn't referring to those people, I was refering to this guy(below quote). I know how hard it can be to convince your parents to pay for Premium when you can't afford it. In no way was that directed towards people like you.

Fuk Evill and his wallet and his gay non-features trying to entice savvy people like us into paying him 50 bucks for lame non-value-added hype.  I would pay 20 bucks a year to not have to hear him cheerlead fluff and to just play.

[Typhy]

Scratch, GR should be avalible to everyone, eh? Then I suppose that Evill, like before, shoudl be paying for the entire thing out of his own pocket? Where should he get the money?

Wait a sec, why am I even trying to reason with a stupid piece of ignorant shit like yourself? If you think that GR should be for everyone, and that Scott is greedy for wanting to own a house and eat, then why don't you go create your own GR? You pay for the servers. You spend hundreds of hours working on it. Then give it away to tons of assholes.

To answer your question, you're a dumbass by thinking that he's greedy for wanting to own a house and feed his family. You're a dumbass for saying that GR should be avalible to everyone, and you're a dumbass dumbass dumbass dumbass dumbass dumbass dumbass dumbass for being stupid enough not to be able to conclude this on your own.

[Scrach]

Thx for understanding because people like me (13 years of age) Cant afford premium and have to save up all my money for 2 years just to buy a computer of my own.  (G3 233) powerbook.  And have to hassle with 2 other brothers just to even get a turn at using the familly comp at all.  (G4 400).  Maybe when I get an income next year I will try to pay for primium but for now I have to stay with an un bolded name and diguise KDX. Thank you for understanding.

The world isn't filled with as many mindless assholes as I once thought it was.  *plesent sigh

[crypt]

Guys, lets not let this turn into a flame war, lets get back on topic, give your thoughts about this new update.

[Scrach]

Didn't see you there typhy.  This is what I mean.  I think that he should definatly deserve a house an food and all those things you mentioned.  But I think the way he is going about making his money is the wrong way.  I think the real reson that I have a grudge on Evill is because he made the program block KDX.  I understand he needs money and food and stuff but stuff like this should be for every body.  Gezz Can you understand why a youngin like me whould feel vulnerable when all they wan't to do is play games and now they have to pay 50 dollars out of their god dam "PIGGY BANK" just to have the same privilages that you had before.  I understand your possition and I don't think it is unresonable but gezz have some fucking compassion you were a young nerd once with no money just wanting to play computer games with his freind.  

[Scrach]

O right the update lol.

I think it would be a good idea the only thing is if he wanted to keep a ladder I think he would have to have his own servers for each game because I don't see how he could monitor the stats of games on other peoples servers.  

[Civrock]

Have you taken into consideration that the creater of GR just wants money to be able to provide stuff that should be availible to everybody.  Maybe I don't wan't to waste 50 dollars on a fucking bold name.

1. would u want to work and spend time on something and then give it out for free? he made it for free for over 3 years already and since there is Premium available he introduced even more features and improvements, of course only for the people who honour his work and pay. he is doing GameRanger for his living and it?s normal that he wants to earn money for his work, wouldn?t u want the same?
2. its not only the bold name. did u ever read this: www.gameranger.com/premium? if not, do so.

i personally am very satisfied with the features Premium is providing, i?ll definitely go for another year.


EDIT: jeez... while i was writing this 4 other answers came, lol.

to the new update: i can?t await to start playing for my stats. i?m very curious how it?ll work and how he?s going to make the team ladders... will there be rules like here in the *DAMN BL? won?t there be a need for BL admins too then, or will Evill do it all on his own?

[Ssickboy]

I think having Gameranger around helps the longevity of Mac gaming.  Saying that, it should ideally be a service that Apple supplies to keep current mac gamers and encourage more to switch over to the nice Mac community.  Imagine if it were an apple department offering a game service for 50$.  Would you be more willing to shell out 50$.  I would.  

So why isn't Apple interested in this?  If they were I'd imagine they would have jumped on it already.  Do you think GR would have evolved as much as it has already or would it be even better with less privacy intrusions?

I'm reluctant to renew my premium with Kevill because it seems like he's interested in monopolizing, ideology controlling, and making a larger profit for himself.  I don't like the idea of encouraging my gaming enjoyment to be any more privatized.  It is better than nothing, but by supporting him that's maybe all we'll ever have as an option... nothing.   My point is... As mac gamers, if we were to encourage anything it should be a more public, less privately intrusive, broadly run game service.  If anyone from Apple is reading this, please make it happen!

And yes, I do understand that Apple is just another private company. But their general ideologies are different in regards to business.  I also see an Apple run service being better supported, much cheaper (if not free like itunes), and an added incentive for new gamers (In effect increasing the player base).  Pipe dream?

[TRIBE_Horda]

since  Evill blocked netfone and kdx voice tools  (even if there are tricks to bypass it)
i not gona send him any money and renew

i dislike his "microsoft ways"

hope the guys building the next "game ranger look like" are doing a good job

[onwig]

I am disagreeing with the apple thing. I think yeah it would be cool to have a mac come with an online gaming "app" either gameranger or another, but for apple to do one, no. Do you think a company as big as Apple would like people to talk about piracy and porn links pasted to kids?, can you imagine the amount of crap they would get, nevermind how monitored it would be.

This argument of what scott is doing right or wrongly will be just the same argument with another service, what i mean is, some people will never be happy, and can never be content with what you have.

As for evill doing this ladder, gunna settle a lot of arguments to see who is better

[Monoman]

For those of you who were not in the B&G when Evill posted this.

[Toxic::Joka]

Wow, looks nice. Can i get a Aaaaamen - hallelluujaH

[KoS.Rebel]

After reading this thread ive only got one question. How come apple has not givin Kevill support for keeping GR up? GR is the only popular mac gaming service out there and im wondering why Kevill hasnt asked Apple for money in exchange for endorsement. Anyone have an answer to this? I mean hell, the only reason why people bought RvS was because of GR. Since it was mac vs mac only if GR wasnt around there would be no real easy way to play against and/or get banned by eachother. So what im saying is, how come Kevill doesnt get help from Apple to keep GR up and running?

[crypt]

Good question Rebs, but it also goes the other way around, without game develpers and publishers supplying games and other stuff for GameRanger, how is GR gonna have anything to play on it?

[KoS.Rebel]

GR could become a mac chat service kinda like AOL but for macs only. I know it can go the other way around but what im sayin is that why doesnt Apple shell out some dough so people continue to buy their shitty ports?

[Typhy]

why doesnt Apple shell out some dough so people continue to buy their shitty ports?

Just out of curiosity, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Ssickboy]

I know what you're saying rebel.  i'd like to know too.

[SK]

To: pathetic assholes

From: SK

Dear Noobs

        To all of the people who have used this service for like 3 months, i dont expect you to shell out a measly 50 dollars.  But to the people who have used this for a while, you should definatly buy it.  Hes shelling out money out of his pocket for you stupid nerds to enjoy your gaming.  You whine because you dont have 50 bucks, shovel 10 ppls driveways and shut up.  I got a job and i havent plenty of money, and all you poor asses should do something about it or reek the benifets of wellfare.

Your mac users, your computers are expensive, buy the shit and shut up and dont cry that hes not giving you features

[Noto]

I would like to address a few things here.

First off, has Scott Kevill ever disclosed the actual amount of money he spends/spent on GameRanger?  Do we know how much money he makes from advertisements?  Maybe he is independently wealthy and has nothing better to do but GR.  The facts are that we do not know his financial circumstances.  Therefore, we should avoid making assumptions.  For those of you who throw blame towards the non-premiums for not supporting GR, maybe GR does not need financial support from people who use it.  Double check that, I said maybe.  For all we know, Scott Kevill is getting support from the developers of the games that are hosted through a variety of means.  I have made no assumptions here, but I have also used only the facts that we know.

I personally will not renew my premium account, but that's many months from now, and it's mainly due to the fact that I do not use GR any longer.  At the time of my premium membership, which is still current, I felt that premium was more of a status symbol.  All of the features that are offered are only features.  None of them are required for playing the games.  I have been playing a ton of America's Army lately and enjoy these facts.  AA was free.  AOTracker, which tracks your stats on registered servers, is also free, as buggy as it is sometimes.  Voice communication is also free (for PC users).  There is a proactive anti-cheat plugin that actually prevents many cheats (PunkBuster).

GameRanger is free.  It does not offer any type of free voice communication, nor any Windows or Linux support.  It does have anti-cheat software, but merely a plug-in, but we all know very well it can be "worked around".  Also, I have no clue about this, but how many of the other games on GR have this anti-cheat pugin?

The bottom line is this:  Scott Kevill cannot put his business into the hands of teenagers with monetary limits, nor can he put his business into the hands of $50 donations here and there.  It is his business , and it is soley up to him to find the proper means of supporting that business.  If GR had to shut down due to the lack of financial stability, the users of GameRanger cannot, and should not, be blamed.  Example:  I open a store that sells a product that I feel everyone can use and benefit from, and that is not found anywhere else.  If I offer my product free to my customers, but ask for donations, then I should know I will have to rely on outside, financial help.  If outside help cannot be found, then should I blame my customers for my downfall?  The circumstances regarding GR are close to a bait and switch scheme of offering something, but then taking it away, or switching what can be taken, all for a monetary committment.  NetFone was able to be used, but when GR Voice Chat came out, it was taken away, but GR Voice Chat could be bought for $50.  I'm not saying it is exactly like a bait and switch, but it does closely resemble that.

So what now?  Well, I feel that I can find enjoyment playing other games that are Windows and Linux compatible.  My PC friends who play GhR can no longer play with my Mac friends via GameRanger.  Scott Kevill has chosen to close his doors to a population that currently owns 92% of the gaming market.  If GR were to open it's doors to more than Mac users, more games, and more features, and then charged in smaller increments for smaller periods of time, he could be quite successful, if he isn't already.  But, that is merely an assumption since I do not know the inner workings of GR or Scott Kevill, and I doubt that many of us do.

Well, we all think we know what GR could be and what it is, but honestly, I do not think any of us really have a true perspective of Scott Kevill and his business strategies, or lack thereof in some of your views.  In defense of the non-premium users of GR, the only thing they miss out on is the hassle free voice communication that is built into GR, and that's only if you have a microphone in the first place.  To the premiums users, if people don't want to pay, then who cares?  You paid, and you should feel good about supporting something you feel needs to thrive and be supported.  If others do not share that view, then let them be.  You have to remember that those of us who bought premium did so because we wanted to, and because we had the means.  No one was forced to buy it, and no one went into bankruptcy because of it (maybe SignTist ).  Also, I believe that many of the players out there are at the mercy of their parents.  I'm sure most parents gave their kids a hassle about buying a $40-$50 game in the first place.  I wonder how much hassle they received when they wanted their named bolded in an Internet chat room that only took them away from their studies?

I recently reformatted my hard drive and have not reinstalled GR.  Why? Well, it currently does not offer support to the games that I enjoy playing, and for the games that I do play, it does not offer certain things that I would like.  I liked being tracked, but GR does not offer this (until it comes out, it's not offered).  I like being able to communicate vocally to anyone on a server, but GR does not offer this in the games that it supports.  I like being able to have one user on my computer running for my girlfriend or sister while I play on my own user via fast user switching, but GR does not allow for this.  I like being able to play with friends who are not using a Mac computer, but GR has disabled this feature in games where it was allowed before.  In my own view, I feel that GR offers something at first, but right after it offers a new feature, an old one is taken away, and maybe not from everyone, but perhaps just from the people who are not able to support with $50 USD.

I have no advice for Scott Kevill, and I have no advice for any of you out there on this forum.  Well, maybe I have one bit of advice out there for you, the readers.  Many of you feel that Scott Kevill could be raking the money in, hand over fist.  Perhaps some of you should offer your help in expanding GR if you truly feel this is a valuable service.  I know that many of you out there have the knowledge to do this stuff, and some of you have the resources as well.  Some of you probbaly have the business "know how" that could launch GR past all other services that it resembles.  Basically, unless you plan on being part of the solution to this problem that many of you insist exists, those of you who are only complaining and adding to the problem should refrain from doing so.  If you can't contribute anything, then be thankful for what is given to you.  Beggers cannot be choosers.

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