How much RAM is enough?

[BFG]

Lol. thats inpressive Elan... problem is at the  moment my comps in such a bad way i doubt it would do much better!

[.vooDoo.]

A sawtooth @ 1ghz.... what processor uprgrade card did you use voodoo? Ive put an 800mhz card into an early sawtooth 350mhz comp and i was seiously inpressed. Of course the limitations of the bus etc are still their but it genually feels like its kicked it higher that 800hz.

It was originally a G4 400. I upgraded with a Sonnet 1ghz processor chip and ATI 8500 64ram graphic  card. I have a feeling that the 100mhz bus is whats really slowing everything down. If there were only a way to over clock my bus speed to 133mhz.  Ah well, I hear that they will be releasing a dual G5 2.7 with even faster FSB speeds. Ill be getting one. Supposedly it will be one inch longer also to fit the new logic boards.

[[OZ] Martin]

Yay

I did the xbench test on my iBook. 3 results as before.

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No Other Apps Open

Results   42.95   
   System Info      
      Xbench Version      1.1.3
      System Version      10.3.2 (7D24)
      Physical RAM      640 MB
      Model      PowerBook4,3
      Processor      PowerPC G3 @ 800 MHz
         Version      750FX v2.2
         L1 Cache      32K (instruction), 32K (data)
         L2 Cache      512K @ 800 MHz
         Bus Frequency      100 MHz
      Video Card      ATY,RageM7
      Drive Type      IBM-IC25N030ATCS04-0
   CPU Test   24.71   
      GCD Loop   59.10   2.31 Mops/sec
      Floating Point Basic   56.19   203.22 Mflop/sec
      vecLib FFT   8.53   132.35 Mflop/sec
      Floating Point Library   101.54   4.06 Mops/sec
   Thread Test   53.36   
      Computation   42.18   569.37 Kops/sec, 4 threads
      Lock Contention   72.62   911.58 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
   Memory Test   25.86   
      System   28.63   
         Allocate   626.46   408.64 Kalloc/sec
         Fill   28.46   226.54 MB/sec
         Copy   14.69   73.46 MB/sec
      Stream   23.58   
         Copy   21.77   159.14 MB/sec
         Scale   21.59   159.33 MB/sec
         Add   25.26   161.64 MB/sec
         Triad   26.44   161.58 MB/sec
   Quartz Graphics Test   74.14   
      Line   73.27   1.87 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
      Rectangle   66.33   4.67 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
      Circle   65.97   1.52 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
      Bezier   80.47   874.37 beziers/sec [50% alpha]
      Text   89.84   1.46 Kchars/sec
   OpenGL Graphics Test   57.70   
      Spinning Squares   57.70   40.38 frames/sec
   User Interface Test   104.64   
      Elements   104.64   33.66 refresh/sec
   Disk Test   40.42   
      Sequential   44.65   
         Uncached Write   39.39   16.42 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   40.34   16.52 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   67.25   10.65 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   40.75   16.46 MB/sec [256K blocks]
      Random   36.93   
         Uncached Write   23.19   0.35 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   41.19   9.29 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   51.72   0.34 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   46.34   9.54 MB/sec [256K blocks]


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Lots of apps open but hidden

Results   40.23   
   System Info      
      Xbench Version      1.1.3
      System Version      10.3.2 (7D24)
      Physical RAM      640 MB
      Model      PowerBook4,3
      Processor      PowerPC G3 @ 800 MHz
         Version      750FX v2.2
         L1 Cache      32K (instruction), 32K (data)
         L2 Cache      512K @ 800 MHz
         Bus Frequency      100 MHz
      Video Card      ATY,RageM7
      Drive Type      IBM-IC25N030ATCS04-0
   CPU Test   20.99   
      GCD Loop   45.51   1.78 Mops/sec
      Floating Point Basic   36.96   133.67 Mflop/sec
      vecLib FFT   7.64   118.54 Mflop/sec
      Floating Point Library   94.55   3.78 Mops/sec
   Thread Test   53.20   
      Computation   41.90   565.59 Kops/sec, 4 threads
      Lock Contention   72.86   914.70 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
   Memory Test   24.07   
      System   26.20   
         Allocate   532.57   347.40 Kalloc/sec
         Fill   27.21   216.63 MB/sec
         Copy   13.18   65.89 MB/sec
      Stream   22.27   
         Copy   20.55   150.18 MB/sec
         Scale   20.51   151.38 MB/sec
         Add   23.77   152.10 MB/sec
         Triad   24.91   152.20 MB/sec
   Quartz Graphics Test   76.33   
      Line   75.69   1.93 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
      Rectangle   67.77   4.77 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
      Circle   67.87   1.56 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
      Bezier   87.44   950.07 beziers/sec [50% alpha]
      Text   87.95   1.43 Kchars/sec
   OpenGL Graphics Test   55.66   
      Spinning Squares   55.66   38.95 frames/sec
   User Interface Test   95.79   
      Elements   95.79   30.81 refresh/sec
   Disk Test   40.77   
      Sequential   44.27   
         Uncached Write   39.28   16.38 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   40.39   16.54 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   64.14   10.15 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   40.74   16.46 MB/sec [256K blocks]
      Random   37.79   
         Uncached Write   23.78   0.36 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   42.53   9.59 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   52.14   0.34 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   47.37   9.75 MB/sec [256K blocks]


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Lots of apps open and visible

Results   40.77   
   System Info      
      Xbench Version      1.1.3
      System Version      10.3.2 (7D24)
      Physical RAM      640 MB
      Model      PowerBook4,3
      Processor      PowerPC G3 @ 800 MHz
         Version      750FX v2.2
         L1 Cache      32K (instruction), 32K (data)
         L2 Cache      512K @ 800 MHz
         Bus Frequency      100 MHz
      Video Card      ATY,RageM7
      Drive Type      IBM-IC25N030ATCS04-0
   CPU Test   21.99   
      GCD Loop   59.89   2.34 Mops/sec
      Floating Point Basic   35.03   126.70 Mflop/sec
      vecLib FFT   7.89   122.47 Mflop/sec
      Floating Point Library   101.05   4.04 Mops/sec
   Thread Test   52.33   
      Computation   40.18   542.48 Kops/sec, 4 threads
      Lock Contention   74.98   941.27 Klocks/sec, 4 threads
   Memory Test   24.43   
      System   26.25   
         Allocate   615.52   401.50 Kalloc/sec
         Fill   26.04   207.26 MB/sec
         Copy   13.46   67.32 MB/sec
      Stream   22.84   
         Copy   21.09   154.20 MB/sec
         Scale   21.04   155.31 MB/sec
         Add   24.41   156.20 MB/sec
         Triad   25.51   155.85 MB/sec
   Quartz Graphics Test   75.95   
      Line   79.02   2.01 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
      Rectangle   68.08   4.79 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
      Circle   66.80   1.54 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
      Bezier   84.44   917.47 beziers/sec [50% alpha]
      Text   85.66   1.40 Kchars/sec
   OpenGL Graphics Test   55.55   
      Spinning Squares   55.55   38.87 frames/sec
   User Interface Test   97.88   
      Elements   97.88   31.48 refresh/sec
   Disk Test   40.38   
      Sequential   44.44   
         Uncached Write   40.70   16.97 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   39.20   16.05 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   65.11   10.31 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   40.70   16.45 MB/sec [256K blocks]
      Random   36.99   
         Uncached Write   24.04   0.36 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   41.03   9.25 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   52.16   0.34 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   43.49   8.95 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Hopefully this might be more useful. Make of it what you will.

[BFG]

It was originally a G4 400. I upgraded with a Sonnet 1ghz processor chip and ATI 8500 64ram graphic? card. I have a feeling that the 100mhz bus is whats really slowing everything down. If there were only a way to over clock my bus speed to 133mhz. ? Ah well, I hear that they will be releasing a dual G5 2.7 with even faster FSB speeds. Ill be getting one. Supposedly it will be one inch longer also to fit the new logic boards.

yeah thats the bugger with these upgrade cards.. They are only really any good up to a limit where u get a Bus bottleneck..
I still hear rumours of Duel G5 3.0Ghz By late July....

[th.Sentinel]

Xbench of my G5 I'll do a test of my iMac G3 and Blue&White G3 asap.

Results   196.41   
   System Info      
      Xbench Version      1.1.3
      System Version      10.3.2 (7D24)
      Physical RAM      1536 MB
      Model      PowerMac7,2
      Processor      PowerPC 970x2 @ 2.00 GHz
         L1 Cache      64K (instruction), 32K (data)
         L2 Cache      512K @ 2.00 GHz
         Bus Frequency      1 GHz
      Video Card      ATY,RV350
      Drive Type      Maxtor 6Y160M0
   CPU Test   147.13   
      GCD Loop   101.62   3.97 Mops/sec
      Floating Point Basic   317.77   1.15 Gflop/sec
      AltiVec Basic   89.81   2.61 Gflop/sec
      vecLib FFT   145.87   2.26 Gflop/sec
      Floating Point Library   332.74   13.32 Mops/sec
   Thread Test   182.97   
      Computation   127.08   1.72 Mops/sec, 4 threads
      Lock Contention   326.56   4.10 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
   Memory Test   325.59   
      System   345.11   
         Allocate   671.26   437.86 Kalloc/sec
         Fill   277.66   2210.15 MB/sec
         Copy   277.66   1388.29 MB/sec
      Stream   308.15   
         Copy   268.61   1963.57 MB/sec [G5]
         Scale   267.26   1972.40 MB/sec [G5]
         Add   350.45   2242.89 MB/sec [G5]
         Triad   375.56   2294.66 MB/sec [G5]
   Quartz Graphics Test   254.06   
      Line   252.56   6.43 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
      Rectangle   220.19   15.49 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
      Circle   230.14   5.30 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
      Bezier   222.96   2.42 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
      Text   425.68   6.94 Kchars/sec
   OpenGL Graphics Test   172.28   
      Spinning Squares   172.28   120.56 frames/sec
   User Interface Test   306.27   
      Elements   306.27   98.51 refresh/sec
   Disk Test   136.96   
      Sequential   140.40   
         Uncached Write   168.09   70.07 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   130.16   53.30 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   132.77   21.02 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   136.50   55.15 MB/sec [256K blocks]
      Random   133.69   
         Uncached Write   159.28   2.39 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   187.60   42.31 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   100.29   0.66 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   119.89   24.67 MB/sec [256K blocks]

When I did a second test without the disk tests I got:
Results   209.84   
   System Info      
      Xbench Version      1.1.3
      System Version      10.3.2 (7D24)
      Physical RAM      1536 MB
      Model      PowerMac7,2
      Processor      PowerPC 970x2 @ 2.00 GHz
         L1 Cache      64K (instruction), 32K (data)
         L2 Cache      512K @ 2.00 GHz
         Bus Frequency      1 GHz
      Video Card      ATY,RV350
      Drive Type      Maxtor 6Y160M0
   CPU Test   138.03   
      GCD Loop   98.33   3.84 Mops/sec
      Floating Point Basic   206.24   745.82 Mflop/sec
      AltiVec Basic   89.68   2.61 Gflop/sec
      vecLib FFT   142.87   2.22 Gflop/sec
      Floating Point Library   327.41   13.11 Mops/sec
   Thread Test   186.31   
      Computation   129.26   1.75 Mops/sec, 4 threads
      Lock Contention   333.48   4.19 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
   Memory Test   326.52   
      System   348.55   
         Allocate   740.68   483.15 Kalloc/sec
         Fill   280.22   2230.56 MB/sec
         Copy   271.11   1355.57 MB/sec
      Stream   307.11   
         Copy   267.69   1956.84 MB/sec [G5]
         Scale   266.07   1963.57 MB/sec [G5]
         Add   349.60   2237.43 MB/sec [G5]
         Triad   374.52   2288.32 MB/sec [G5]
   Quartz Graphics Test   251.80   
      Line   247.92   6.31 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
      Rectangle   212.52   14.95 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
      Circle   226.30   5.22 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
      Bezier   228.63   2.48 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
      Text   430.07   7.01 Kchars/sec
   OpenGL Graphics Test   172.28   
      Spinning Squares   172.28   120.56 frames/sec
   User Interface Test   318.26   
      Elements   318.26   102.37 refresh/sec

So mb I'll swap the HD as soon as its worn out, or when I need some more storage.
Oh btw, last week I opened a psd file of 615Mb in photoshop and it worked so smooth...

[BFG]

What with the size of these posts this must be getting on for the largest thread ever!
My results... on my poor old aging G4 DP  oh the score when up 10 points when i didn't run the disk test... new HD is on its way though i gotta have more space!

Results   130.38   
   System Info      
      Xbench Version      1.1.3
      System Version      10.3.2 (7D24)
      Physical RAM      512 MB
      Model      PowerMac3,5
      Processor      PowerPC G4x2 @ 1.00 GHz
         Version      7455 (Apollo) v2.1
         L1 Cache      32K (instruction), 32K (data)
         L2 Cache      256K @ 1.00 GHz
         L3 Cache      2048K @ 250 MHz
         Bus Frequency      134 MHz
      Video Card      GeForce4 MX
      Drive Type      ST380021A
   CPU Test   123.60   
      GCD Loop   123.69   4.83 Mops/sec
      Floating Point Basic   124.34   449.67 Mflop/sec
      AltiVec Basic   123.28   3.58 Gflop/sec
      vecLib FFT   122.53   1.90 Gflop/sec
      Floating Point Library   124.17   4.97 Mops/sec
   Thread Test   138.24   
      Computation   127.94   1.73 Mops/sec, 4 threads
      Lock Contention   150.33   1.89 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
   Memory Test   135.81   
      System   198.81   
         Allocate   586.95   382.87 Kalloc/sec
         Fill   235.81   1877.07 MB/sec
         Copy   109.34   546.72 MB/sec
      Stream   103.13   
         Copy   99.69   728.71 MB/sec [altivec]
         Scale   98.17   724.51 MB/sec [altivec]
         Add   104.96   671.74 MB/sec [altivec]
         Triad   110.61   675.85 MB/sec [altivec]
   Quartz Graphics Test   152.23   
      Line   127.14   3.24 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
      Rectangle   135.04   9.50 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
      Circle   140.15   3.23 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
      Bezier   142.22   1.55 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
      Text   293.47   4.78 Kchars/sec
   OpenGL Graphics Test   108.57   
      Spinning Squares   108.57   75.98 frames/sec
   User Interface Test   222.25   
      Elements   222.25   71.49 refresh/sec
   Disk Test   93.27   
      Sequential   98.44   
         Uncached Write   98.62   41.11 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   96.85   39.66 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   99.55   15.76 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   98.78   39.91 MB/sec [256K blocks]
      Random   88.61   
         Uncached Write   85.53   1.28 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Write   82.47   18.60 MB/sec [256K blocks]
         Uncached Read   90.61   0.60 MB/sec [4K blocks]
         Uncached Read   97.22   20.01 MB/sec [256K blocks]

[c| Lone-Wolf]

Question, well, actually two of them.

1) What is the difference between a page-in & page-out
2) if ive got 24000 pageins in a 2 hour period of playing Halo, and 2000 some odd page-outs, does that bode well? ill? or does it mean my computer is slowly ticking down to total self destruct?

Im on a G4 1ghz 1gig ram 15" laptop.  

[[OZ] Martin]

My suspicion (and humble opinion) is that your puter has therefore cached heaps of stuff in memory which has been moved to hard drive (pageins) and not asked for much back (page outs). Probably been caching Halo stuff which is not used again. (Assuming you are progressing through the game :-)

[c| Lone-Wolf]

Ah ok, makes sense.  Anyone else who knows for certainty feel free (not to slight you Martin, just curious)  

And as of now, im making zero progress through the game, on Legendary, things get a weeeee bit difficult, so its more loading the last checkpoint over and over and over and...etc.  (stuck on Truth & Rec, trying to battle my way into the Covenant ship, but all other levels are completed on Legendary)

Actually tho, at the time i was playing Multiplayer, on just one server the entire time.  (This is because, *gasp* there were no TKing assholes or flat-out assholes in the game, so life was good!)

[BFG]

ahh yeah im stuck in the same place - or rather ive got onto the ship but i can't get past the ambush when the come flooding into the transporter room... Its those big invisible dudes with the swords.. just to damn many of them!