Why Bush Sucks

[Cutter]

as i remember it reagan even told his russian counter-part that he was going to out buy and build the russians right into this situation they find themselves in today. good thing it worked cause war with russia would not have been pretty. and that's without the thought of nukes.

[BFG]

I love it....now go back to that site and type into it's archive search Kerry, Dean, Clark, or any of the other Democrats running for President and see how big of liers they all are

lol. like bush isn't a lier. lol. the guys the biggest threat to world peace we probably have and will ever see. yeah great idea vote him back in so he can fuck things up just a bit more.

[Noto]

You know I am tired of hearing Reagan this Reagan that. He didnt get the Soviet Union into a bankrupting spending war, Harry Truman did!

I can agree with you that "Budget Cold War" began with Truman (in a sense), but Reagan scared the bejesus out of the Russians with the notion of "Star Wars".  I mean, who wouldn't be scared to have nukes pointed at you from outer space?  Reagan was definitely the one who toppled the USSR though, even though he didn't start it.

Another note about Carter is that he is one of the only presidents that I can say has a kind heart and decent soul.[/color]

I'm a Carter baby.  Carter is a great person, and there's no questioning that.  But what about Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Roosevelt?  Each of those presidents made great strides for the United States and did a great job.  The might not have been the best people, but each one of them definitely took America to the next step.  There are others as well, but we can always start a new thread about it later.  Unfortunately, I do not forsee a "Carter-like" president coming anytime soon in the next few elections.  

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[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

"Star Wars" wasn't a nuclear weapon, it was a ballistic missile shield. The reason why it scared the Soviet's so bad is that they knew they didnt have the technology to create one themselves - and if the American's were successful, the US would have been nearly impermeable.

The real item to drive the Soviet's to collapse was the invention of the Stealth Bomber - this scared tehm because they were afraid of being nuked by something that wasn't easily detectable. They had the technology to detect a B-2, but it was ineffective in range and very costly to them if they decided to put them all around their giant borders.

As for Truman starting it, this may be so, but it had absolutely no effect on the USSR because at the time they could easily compete with us due to the fact that inflation (mass printing of currency whenever they needed "money") and true corruption hadn't set in yet. It was Reagan's jacking up of the defense budget that threw them off a cliff.

Now on to Carter: He is maybe the best person (character wise) to ever serve in that office, but he is by far and away one of the weakest President's to ever hold the office. He was so disrespected that the hostages were freed from the embassy the day Ronald Reagan was sworn in - a true parting slap in the face.

[Scrach]

I know it is long but it is worth it.

From: Message: RESUME of
George W. Bush
The White House, USA

LAW ENFORCEMENT:

I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in
1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol.

I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
license suspended for 30 days.

My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is
not available.

MILITARY:

I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went
AWOL.

I refused to take a drug test or answer any
questions about my drug use.

By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was
able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

COLLEGE:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C
average.

I was a cheerleader.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.

I began my career in the oil business in
Midland,
Texas, in 1975.

I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any
oil in Texas.

The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold
all my stock.

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in
a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer
money.

With the help of my father and our right-wing
friends in the oil industry
(including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected
governor of Texas.


ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF
TEXAS:

I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power
and oil companies, making
Texas the most polluted state in the Union.

During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles
as
the most smog-ridden city in America.

I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury
to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

I set the record for the most executions by any
governor in? American history.

With the help of my brother, the governor of
Florida, and my father's appointments to the
Supreme Court, I became President after losing by
over 500,000 votes.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:

I am the first President in U.S. history to enter
office with a criminal record.

I invaded and occupied two countries at a
continuing cost of over one billion dollars per
week.

I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively
bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual
deficit in U.S. history.

I set an economic record for most private
bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for most foreclosures
in a 12-month period.

I set the all-time record for the biggest drop
in
the history of the U.S. stock market.

In my first year in office, over 2 million
Americans lost their jobs
and that trend continues every month.

I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are
the richest of any administration in U.S.
history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza
Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

I set the record for most campaign
fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.

I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder
for receiving the most corporate campaign
donations.

My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and
one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided
over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in
U.S. History, Enron.

My political party used Enron private jets and
corporate attorneys to assure my success with
the
U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.

I have protected my friends at Enron and
Halliburton against investigation
or prosecution. More time and money was
spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair
than has been spent investigating one
of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in
U.S.history and refused to intervene when
corruption involving the oil industry was
revealed.

I presided over the highest gasoline prices in
U.S.history.

I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted
criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I appointed more convicted criminals to
administration than any President in
U.S. history.

I created the Ministry of Homeland Security,
the largest bureaucracy in the
history of the United States government.

I've broken more international treaties than
any President in U.S. history.

I am the first President in U.S. history to have
the United Nations remove the U.S. from the
Human Rights Commission.

I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S.
"prisoners of war" detainees and thereby have
refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

I am the first President in history to refuse
United Nations election inspectors (during the
2002 U.S. election).

I set the record for fewest number of press conferences
of any President since the advent of television.

I set the all-time record for most days on
vacation in any one-year period.

After taking off the entire month of August, I
presided over the worst security failure in U.S.
history.

I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after
the World Trade Center attacks and less than a
year later made the U.S. the most hated country
in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in
world history.

I have set the all-time record for most people
worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public
venues (15 million people),shattering the record
for protest against any person in the history of
mankind.

I am t he first President in U.S. history to
order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the
military occupation of a sovereign nation. I
did so against the will of the United Nations,
the majority of U.S. citizens, and the world
community.

I have cut health care benefits for war veterans
and support a cut in duty benefits for active
duty troops and their families --in war time.

In my State of the Union Address, I lied about
our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the
lies on our British friends.

I am the first President in history to have a
majority of Europeans (71%)
view my "presidency as the biggest threat to
world peace and security." this is an actual
quote by the mayor of London, Ken Livingston.

I am supporting development of a nuclear
"Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring
Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein to justice.


RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

All records of my tenure as governor o f Texas
are now in my father's library, sealed and
unavailable for public view.

All records of SEC investigations into my
insider trading and my bankrupt companies are
sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
view.

All records or minutes from meetings that I, or
my Vice-President, attended regarding public
energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
unavailable for public review.


PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN
VOTING IN 2004.

PLEASE SEND THIS TO EVERY VOTER YOU KNOW.
 

[-SW- Bazz]

i'll bet howard dean's is much better than that one, scrach.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Scrach,

That was the biggest pile of garbage I've ever seen.  Those statements are full of lies, mis-quotes, and spin that I have ever seen.

I'm just going to touch on a few, since I don't have all day to respond to every one:

George W. Bush never went AWOL while serving in the Texas Air National Guard.  I have a copy of his DD214 (which is publically available by the way) and no where on it does it list an AWOL.

Contrary to popular belief, joining the National Guard does NOT keep you out of combat.  You have just a good of chance of being activated for combat as any active duty unit stationed in CONUS (that's Continental United States for those of you who never served in the military).  His unit simply wasn't activated for combat (and other F-102 Fighter Squadrons did get sent to Vietnam, so don't go there either).

I hate to tell you guys, but Texas IS NOT the most polluted state in the Union.

George W. Bush was NOT the first President in U.S. History to enter office with a criminal record.  Moron.

Did you happen to notice that all those bankruptcies and forclosures happened AFTER September 11???  Fucking Moron.

"I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring
Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein to justice."

Okay, one down and one to go--if you havn't seen the news lately, we captured Saddam.  You are such as stupid fucking moron that you couldn't even edit this trash that you copy and pasted from somewhere.


Okay, that's as far as I'm going....if I get any more annoyed I would have to drop a WMD on your house.

-GhostSniper Out.

[Noto]

"Star Wars" wasn't a nuclear weapon, it was a ballistic missile shield.

Well, I think it's obvious what was going to be put on those ICBM's.  Nuclear warheads perhaps?  What a better place to store nuclear warheads than orbiting the planet?  From what I understood about the Star Wars program was that they were looking into moving roughly 33% of the nation's ICBM's into orbit.  The majority of our ICBM's at that time were fully equipped with nuclear capabilities, and I have a feeling the nukes would be sent to orbit because it was the one place the Russians really had no presence and also had very little means of shooting down.  

If I was a war monger, I would put my nukes in space too.  Why?  Because during the event of a nuclear attack, I wouldn't want my nuclear warheads taken out in a first strike and find myself with no retaliation effort.  If the warheads were in orbit, there would be very little concern of them being destroyed.

I'm not arguing, I'm just stating what I know, which isn't necessarily the truth, but it does make sense.

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[Noto]

I know it is long but it is worth it.

From: Message: RESUME of
George W. Bush
The White House, USA

Scrach,

Everyone has skeletons in their closet, but I think your "e-mail spam" that you have posted here has included too many of them.

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[Scrach]

Hey guys I am sorry if you think it is spam or un true but I just got that on an e-mail.  I thought it would be funny gez.  

He was still a chear leader

[Scrach]

If you think it is un true you don't have to blast me about it.  Its not like I took the time to check every single quote.  I thought it might be interesting for other people to read and if it struck a bad cord with you or anyone else I am sorry but gez the topic is about why bush sucks.

He was still a freeking chear leader.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

George W. Bush never went AWOL while serving in the Texas Air National Guard.  I have a copy of his DD214 (which is publically available by the way) and no where on it does it list an AWOL.

Although he was never classified by the military as AWOL, there are some major irregularities in his service record. From May 1st, 1972 until April 30th, 1973 George W. Bush logged no days of service, when he should have logged at least 36 days.

 These two articles shed light on the matter http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/3671 and http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/3778

Frankly, it is painfully obvious that during the Vietnam War George W. Bush was a coward. What makes this increasingly sickening  to me, is that he is so willing to send others to combat when he himself avoided the horrors at all costs. And now this pampered man born with the golden spoon of affluence in his mouth is the most powerful man in the free world. I must go vomit now.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Well, I think it's obvious what was going to be put on those ICBM's.  Nuclear warheads perhaps?  What a better place to store nuclear warheads than orbiting the planet?  From what I understood about the Star Wars program was that they were looking into moving roughly 33% of the nation's ICBM's into orbit.

Star Wars had absolutely nothing to do with our ICBM's. The point of the project was to launch satellites carrying exotic weaponry (such as lasers or rail weapons) into space that would orbit the United States to protect us from a Soviet ICBM launch. This is far different than putting our ICBM's into space as an interceptor - and even if we did, it would make no sense to have a Nuclear warhead on it because it could only do more harm than good.

The majority of our ICBM's at that time were fully equipped with nuclear capabilities, and I have a feeling the nukes would be sent to orbit because it was the one place the Russians really had no presence and also had very little means of shooting down.  

All of our ICBM's, then and today, are equiped with multiple nuclear warheads. It is too costly and confusing to put a conventional warhead on a ICBM. As for Russian's shooting them down, that would be impossible. ICBM's move too fast and have too high of a trajectory to be shot down by any current means, save for the ABM Missile SHield that is being developed right now.

If I was a war monger, I would put my nukes in space too.  Why?  Because during the event of a nuclear attack, I wouldn't want my nuclear warheads taken out in a first strike and find myself with no retaliation effort.  If the warheads were in orbit, there would be very little concern of them being destroyed.

Putting Nukes in space is simply a bad idea because they are more susceptable to be destroyed in orbit than they are in their silos. All it would take is an anti satellite missle to presumably shoot one down. As for a Nuclear attack, we have the means of detecting global launches and thus would be notified if a country ever decided to launch a nuclear weapon at us. US Space Command or NORAD would notify the President immediately and we would have plenty of time to return fire and thus destroy the Earth.

Where you seem to get confused is that you think the program of today is the same as the SDI Defense codenamed Star Wars was in the 1980's, but it is not.

Today's system that is being developed is a series of land, sea, air, and space radars that guide a modified ballistic missle into a crash course with an incoming warhead, thus destroying it. The point is to hit the missile before the warheads arm, thus destroying it with a minimal damage effect. The interceptor is not equipped with any weaponry because the force of the collision itself is sufficient to do the work.

[Noto]

Star Wars had absolutely nothing to do with our ICBM's. The point of the project was to launch satellites carrying exotic weaponry (such as lasers or rail weapons) into space that would orbit the United States to protect us from a Soviet ICBM launch. This is far different than putting our ICBM's into space as an interceptor - and even if we did, it would make no sense to have a Nuclear warhead on it because it could only do more harm than good.

Star Wars had everything to do with ICBM's.  I never said they were limited to ICBM's because it were obviously not.  ICBM's were definitely a consideration for orbit due to the fact that you could easily put a dozen orbiters strategically located around the planet, thus sutting down the distance to targets.  Star Wars was also to be operated in low orbit, which would even more drastically cut down the distance.  Considering lasers and rail guns never came to fruition in their real sense of purpose, ICBM's (not necessarily the ones with warheads) were the only weapons that we had that worked at the time.  Keep in mind that when I say ICBM, I truly mean an ICBM.  Not all ICBM's were of the land target destructing type.

All of our ICBM's, then and today, are equiped with multiple nuclear warheads. It is too costly and confusing to put a conventional warhead on a ICBM. As for Russian's shooting them down, that would be impossible. ICBM's move too fast and have too high of a trajectory to be shot down by any current means, save for the ABM Missile SHield that is being developed right now.

Incorrect again.  Even before the cut down in Nuclear warheads at present day due to the START II Treaty, it was actually too costly to equip all ICBM's with nuclear warheads anyway.  You can find that info from the multiple sites that discuss present day stockpiles, code named "Enduring Stockpile".  As for Russian's being able to shoot down an ICBM, you can't say it was impossible.  Cluster Pack PVB's from Russia could take out an ICBM, but it had extremely low accuracy.  Remote, but still possible.

Putting Nukes in space is simply a bad idea because they are more susceptable to be destroyed in orbit than they are in their silos. All it would take is an anti satellite missle to presumably shoot one down. As for a Nuclear attack, we have the means of detecting global launches and thus would be notified if a country ever decided to launch a nuclear weapon at us. US Space Command or NORAD would notify the President immediately and we would have plenty of time to return fire and thus destroy the Earth.

Now, putting anything in space these days of military importance would not make sense due to its vulnerability, but 20 years ago, the United States didn't exactly have much competition for the items you speak of.

Where you seem to get confused is that you think the program of today is the same as the SDI Defense codenamed Star Wars was in the 1980's, but it is not.

I'm not confused.  I was strictly speaking of the 1980's program.  The Star Wars program I'm speaking of was to replace the MAD program of deterrance.  Reagan wanted a means to shoot down missiles, just like today.  I hope I didn't give the impression that Star Wars was simply a way of attacking from space, because it is not.

Today's system that is being developed is a series of land, sea, air, and space radars that guide a modified ballistic missle into a crash course with an incoming warhead, thus destroying it. The point is to hit the missile before the warheads arm, thus destroying it with a minimal damage effect. The interceptor is not equipped with any weaponry because the force of the collision itself is sufficient to do the work.

I agree with you there, but as for the interceptor not having any weaponry, I thought it had a charge, which would create a zone of destruction so that no pieces of the incoming would be recovered.  I saw that on CNN I believe, but who knows who dug up that stuff.

Personally, I would love to see a complete zero tolerance of nuclear weapons from all countries.  I'm not sure why we still have nuclear weapons.  We have non-nuclear weapons that make Nagasaki look like an Iowan cow party.  It would be nice to see someone with sense in the government to have the balls to ask for complete nuclear disarmorment.  It just seems that we are only trying to make sure no one has more than the United States, which easily outnumbers most nuclear nations put together.

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[Mr. Lothario]

     In a world populated by sane and rational people, a complete worldwide ban on nuclear weapons would be the obvious best choice. Unfortunately, we live on Earth. If "everyone" has nukes, then no "rogue nation" is going to think seriously about using their nuclear weapons, because they know that it would be suicide. If the "law-abiding" nations went along with a total disarmament treaty, that same "rogue nation" would have far fewer qualms about nuking the place up.

     Of course, that logic only applies to conventional nuclear weapons (which happens to be a nice little oxymoron), and has no bearing on terrorist-style portable nukes.

[Cossack]

To GhostSniper: I dont know if anyone has touched on this but it said it made the City of Houston the most polluted city thus bypassing the City of LA. We are comparing cities, we are not comparing states. Dubya was never formally charged with AWOL, but he has expereinced long and unauthorized "haiatuses." Bring us a link of that document of his if you could. Oh wait nevermind, Spetsnaz did.

Back to Reagan: You have to look at the Soviet's as well. Gorby was a push over a pussy if you will (most people from the Krasnodar oblast are pussies so this explains alot. Thats inside Russian humour for you.) If anything took us Russian's down it was Afghanistan. Kudos to Carter for starting it, and Kudos to Reagan who continued it.

By the way, I think Carter was a good president overall (meaning his "net" contribution to the nation was positive. However, that statement I made earlier was about his person.

[abe 2.0]

He was still a freeking chear leader.

He still is a freeking cheeleader, imo. Except now he gets to hang in the White house, while Dick Cheney plots to pollute the planet and charge exorbitant amounts  of money for clean air from his underground bunker (kinda like the bad guy in total recall). I'm exagerating a bit, but what scares me about the people running the country is that Bush has neither a clue nor a brain, while Dick has no soul. Just look at their demeanor and facial expressions and it becomes obvious. Also, he's constantly on vacation, doesnt read the papers (he gets summaries from "objective" sources sources like Rice) except the sports page and otherwise behaves like a fratboy.

Now, to the Reagan thing...There are SO many different theories about why the Communist system collapsed, the most primitive of which is probably the one about how Reagan's arms build up overstrectched the USSRs economic capicity. Its a myth, but a lot of people believe it, so......Gorbachev had a lot to do with, as cossack mentioned. I guess if Andropov's kidneys had been better, maybe the cold war would still be going.

[Mr. Lothario]

     I just happened upon this and found it a very interesting take on things. The author is "just a cartoonist", but he's a thinker. Here's the link. The entry in question is titled "Bush on Mars" and is immediately below the "buy my book" ad (The Ultimate Book of Perfect Energy, heh).

[BFG]

I think one of the best cartoonists regarding politics is "Steve Bell"

He's done a couple of books... can't remember them for the lfe of me but i'll have to dick up a couple of his strips.. He's got Dubbya down to ta tee as the dumb F*ck monkey man

[EUR_Zaitsev]

No matter what Bush supporters claim about the candidates running for the democratic nomination, their claims can be reversed. As much as Dean lies  Bush lies more. The reasons for war have been twisted depending on what idea the center and left shot down.  Healthcare still revolves around the HMOs, something which we are the only country in the free world with such a extreme position. We are killing our own envirnment, We have homeless on every block of our nations capital and yet we are willing to fight oversees. When do our needs get answered? how many more wars until we lose the will to fight? All of us here can see that Bush's latest math in the state of the union makes no sense. Tax Cuts Increased + Mission To Mars (1 billion) + War DOES NOT EQUAL cutting the deficit in half in five years. It just doesn't make sense guys.