Is there a God? / Plagiarism in the forum

[c| Hathcock]

You can thank the parents for turning kids that young into religious zealots.  Boy am I thankful church was so damn boring that me and my dad stayed home to watch the American religion that is Sunday football.  

[jn.loudnotes]

Thank you Jeb, for once I agree with you!

Oh and a couple of things to various people, since this has gotten way to tangential to carry any one decent thread of debate:

1.  elite - if you're going to plagiarize someone else's self-evident observations about water, and you choose not to cite the source, at least remove their parenthetical documentation.  "(6)"
2.  elite - did you read my post about the insensitivity and arrogance of informing the world that they will be damned for disagreeing with you?  Go back to the first page - if you were going to flaunt your arrogance you could have included an explanation of why.
3.  elite - interesting argument about the choice of belief or not as a matter of probability.  Again, unoriginal - Blaise Pascal was the first to advance that theory.  However, how hypocritical is faith if it's based of the possibility of punishment and not any genuine feeling. . .think for yourself.

Blanket generalization - Lack of independent thought, as evidenced by our guinea pig elite, has been the greatest single threat to civilization from the dawn of time.  This manifests itself in fundamentalist literal religion, and sheer idiocy of the masses.

Also,

Why WOULDN'T an almighty god create wars? Where does it say he hates war? God is Good means he loves you as a person. Doesnt mean he doesnt mind you dying.

Yeah, but then what's the point of existence?  If God's going to kill you off anyway, why bother being just and merciful.  Of course that too is unknown - one has to rely on faith - typical of God again. . .

But why believe in something that in the end offers you no hope.  If you can't believe in a God that doesn't like war, I don't see the point of believeing at all.  (Unless, perhaps, you're in the army and like it, or you just get off on violence)

[elite]

Loudnotes,

The website that published the article about if their is a god, was written by me, so yes I could have left the sorces in but it certainly does not constitute as plagarism.  Please don't make false accusations unless your sure their right.

[tasty]

Spesnatz, that website is a parody buddy. Sorry to break it to you.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Seemed pretty damn real to me. This is my new hat I ordered from them http://www.cafeshops.com/objectivemin.7035393 its in the mail.

[Acri]

Spetz, the whole point is that the bible doesn't really say that God doesn't want war. We made that up. It actually says in quite a lot of places that God is quite evil. We humans just want to believe he is that nice so that we don't have to fear him, but MOST christians say you should.
Look at Sodom and Gomorra...

God loves you to the extent he will forgive you for your trespasses against him. No more. He is like your teacher, kinda. He doesn't love you, but he sure enough doesn't hate you... he will give you an F if you dont behave. Simple eh?

Also, anyone remotely philosophical should realize that the world is totally unviewable without any form of belief. Science, according to most actually, also a religion, based on that there is no such thing as definite proof. We choose to believe science.

[Mr. Lothario]

     Mmm, the science-as-religion claim has never been very compelling to me. There are too many fundamental differences in the modes of thought to reasonably claim that science is just another religion. Of prime importance is the fact that religions are based upon faith--"it is written, therefore it is truth," regardless of any other data--while science is based upon the scientific method--"this is the best approximation of the truth until new data provides a better explanation." Science takes a long time to arrive at The Truth, if it ever happens at all. However, scientific truths are constantly under scrutiny, making the body of knowledge collectively referred to as "science" self-correcting and self-improving.

     To my mind, seeking truths through hard work and insight is a superior mode of existence than accepting the proclaimed word from someone else. Once a person decides that their quest for Truth is complete, they begin to stagnate.

[jn.loudnotes]

A few more questions, elite - no researching, ok?  These shouldn't be too personal. . .

1.  Are you male or female?

2.  Have you ever been an atheist?

3.  What is your real first name?

[jn.loudnotes]

The website that published the article about if their is a god, was written by me, so yes I could have left the sorces in but it certainly does not constitute as plagarism.? Please don't make false accusations unless your sure their right.

 

Bullshit.  You had the chance to admit you'd forgotten to mention your source.  Instead, you're the worst excuse for a pious religious devotee I've ever seen.  Hypocrite.
                                                         

You know what, nevermind those 3 questions.  It would be too nice of me to give you that opportunity to gracefully admit that you're lying.  I believe the bible considers that a sin, no?

So I checked your profile - lying there is pretty sinful too, I would think, especially about your gender.  So under the assumption that you're the author of the water document, your being a 17-year old male sounds awfully suspicious.  It also sounds like you're a transsexual, if this is your real information:

As a former atheist, Marilyn Adamson found it difficult to refute the continuously answered prayers and quality of life of a  close friend. In challenging the beliefs of her friend, Marilyn was amazed to learn the wealth of objective evidence pointing to  the existence of God. After about a year of persistent questioning, she responded to God's offer to come into her life and has found  faith in Him to be constantly substantiated and greatly rewarding.

Are you a she or a he?  Are you from Wisconsin?  Do you write "persuasive" religious texts in your free time?  Or did you just happen to use the exact same words and format as this woman?

I find it appalling that after forgetting to delete all the footnotes, you then tried to claim you wrote the article.  That article appears on about a dozen websites, so apparently you're not the only admirer, but at least they cite the source.

Of course, that personal info sounds pretty bullshitty to me too, but the name usage is consistent across the internet.  Asshole.  Am I sure I'm right?  Yes.  Now repent. . .

In the future, do what everyone else does, and say:

"I found an interesting article that seems to support my flawed viewpoint at

http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html"


Don't plagiarize.  You won't get far with it.

[Mr. Lothario]

     Ouch. Very Old Testament of you, Loud.

[Mr.Mellow]

Yeah, nice way to smite the plagarism outta him.  

[tasty]

Quit discrimnating against transsexuals loud. Bigot.

[Acri]

Nice post, Loth. With that post, you have added yourself to my mental "smart people" list.

[Brain]

Brain 17:67
"... and the LOUD did look down upon the people, and amongst them he saw the sinner. The unclean one who was trying to lie and cheat and steal from the other people who were trying to keep the faith.  This angered the LOUD greatly, and so he chastised the sinner and threatened to cast him out of the garden of GG lest he repent from his evil ways..."

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Spetz, the whole point is that the bible doesn't really say that God doesn't want war. We made that up. It actually says in quite a lot of places that God is quite evil. We humans just want to believe he is that nice so that we don't have to fear him, but MOST christians say you should.
Look at Sodom and Gomorra...

God loves you to the extent he will forgive you for your trespasses against him. No more. He is like your teacher, kinda. He doesn't love you, but he sure enough doesn't hate you... he will give you an F if you dont behave. Simple eh?

Also, anyone remotely philosophical should realize that the world is totally unviewable without any form of belief. Science, according to most actually, also a religion, based on that there is no such thing as definite proof. We choose to believe science.

Acri, like I said if God condones the murder of fellow man it further reiterates my point that religion when macroscopically viewed has been a blight for mankind. Personally, I would rather not live in fear of a deity, because a book written by men tells me so. As for God being like a teacher, I have to this day never been in fear of damnation from any teacher. The world being not viewable (unviewable is not a word) without belief may be true, but belief in what can vary greatly. For example I can choose to believe what is real, not what an organization with less than honest intents indoctrinates me to believe. Science can be proven and recreated. Science is not based on mythical historical documents, rather logic, which to me gives it more validity than prescribed faith.

[Cossack]

Cossack 20:22
And so the Loud cast the sinner out, and it was good.

[Acri]

Spetz, how do you prove science? I would like to hear that

Hey guys, this thread is growing so fast...


How about we open a chat room and thrash the heathens and believers in real time? I'd like that

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Acri, you ever try curing a disease with religion?

[jn.loudnotes]

"...and they did praise and glorify the LOUD..."

Thanks guys. . .I do my best  

Oh and Spetsnaz - ever heard of the Christian Scientists?  They don't believe in medicine, and consequently don't live as long, although there is some curative power to be had in positive thinking.

[Acri]

Spetz: People do it ALL the time.

Heard of placebo? As far as I know, scientist has no explanation to how that really happens... Let's call that the hand of god, just for kicks.