Is there a God? / Plagiarism in the forum

[elite]

Elite, if there is a hell and sins send you there, then we're all burnin. Wake up. All the fun stuff in life is a sin anyways, so how bad could hell be?

Wow, in the christian faith, the Lord asks you to repent your sins and you will be forgivin.  We are all sinners, that is clear but the praying and asking for his forgiveness is what the christian faith is about.

How bad could hell be?  It is unimaginably bad.  The human mind does not have the capacity to even imagine hell because it is so terrrible.

cherrs,
elite

[Mr.Mellow]

I have to disagree wholeheartedly with you, Elite. Let's break this down a bit, first. Satan/Lucifer/whatever you want to call him, he rose up against God, and was banished from Heaven because of it, correct? Now, he goes around corrupting people, making them sinners,etc., so they can't get into Heaven. However, why would Satan do God's dirty work in punishing the sinners, since they hate eachother so much? Well, at least, Satan hates God. I guess God doesn't really hate anything (except people ). The way I figure, Hell must be a pretty happenin' place with lots of fun. I don't see why Satan would punish someone for going up against his eternal enemy. No one who wrote the Bible went to Hell, found out what it was like, and came back. Same goes for Heaven. Anyways, just my two cents. I'm not a Satanist or anything, still believe in God, but the whole Heaven/Hell thing never made much sense to me. Anyways, if there WAS a Hell, everyone's going. Like I said earlier, most people are going against the very basics of their religion by judging others and not showing the proper respect to other religions. I doubt God will forgive everyone, especially since these people are doing it because they have the one true faith.
On a side note, I hope all televangelists go straight to Hell, if there is such a place. Faith-healers, too. Damn con-artists are using the word of the Lord to extort money from the poor.

[Brain]

i'd just like to say that hell has nothing on wisconsin. that and from what i hear they are quite impressed with cell phone service agreements and are studying them to improve their contracts for selling your soul

(for those of you who cant tell this is a joke, meant to amuse people.i'd point out my views on the subject, but i  long ago realized that religion is a subject that is useless to argue over (presidential policy is another) because nobody ever gives up when beaten, and most arguments degenerate into a morass os speculative thinking supported by an acute lack of data)

[c| Hathcock]

Good point Brain.  Kinda fun to throw about a good argument on the subject though.  And Mellow I'm with you on the hell argument.  Might be a kick ass place.  I mean, why would the forces of heaven ever advertise good things about their rival?  Do you see The Bahamas saying nice things about Cancun?  Hell no, its bad policy to make your competitor's look bad.  Pretty much only one sure fire way to end this argument though.  Let's take this to the afterlife.  See you there.

[elite]

And Mellow I'm with you on the hell argument.  Might be a kick ass place.

ok, have fun burning

Brain where are you from in wisconsin.. I'm from there too.

[PLOPje]

heaven looks boring if you see the church at the moment
I think I am going to blew me up at the american embassy in name of the silam I heard you get a lot of woman then

[Mr. Lothario]

     The Bible says forgiveness is readily available, yes? So why bother living a holy life? Sin it up for 90 years and repent a few minutes before you kick off. Bam, saved. You're right, a forgiving and gullible god is great.

[BTs_FahQ2]

I have to agree with Loth on his last post.  Forgiveness is only one pentance away.  So, at the gates of Heaven, exude a serious "I'm Sorry", and strut your ass right in.

Besides, Hell is described as eternal.  Well, much like most annoying things the mind has the great capability to adapt.  So, in time, (remember you have eternity), you will get used to the torture at hand and it will be no more than a pinch.  Then so on and so forth with an eternity of this game.  Funny though, you can be damned for eternity for not being too Holy for an average of 70yrs.  Sounds a little stupid to me.

Also, think of the sins that must not be available in Heaven, but obviously available in Hell.  Orgies, sex with any women you choose, drugs, booze, the metric system, motorcycles, smurfs, las vegas and all the other shit looked down upon by the church.  Hell, even Jim Morrison and Frank Sinatra would surely be there.

 I got my bags packed.

Viva Tijuana

[spike]

im sorry loth, i dont think its that easy, and i dont think god is that dumb. the repentence has to come from your soul, you have to realize your evills(double L intentional) and repent them. if you count on last minute insincere repentence, and then skipping giggling into heaven...i believe youll be sorely mistaken. as to hell, maybe it was constructed to try to show some jaded individuals that in the end, justice, ultimate justice does exist. for again, if hell didnt exist, if that promise of punishment did not exist, why not do it?

[Jeb]

Not only can it be shown that religious beliefs lack rational support, but that they are positively irrational, that the several parts of the essential theological doctrine are inconsistent with one another, so that the theologian ... must be prepared to believe, not merely what cannot be proved, but what can be disproved from other beliefs that he also holds
-J.L. Mackie

Rather than talking about an omnipotent God, the topic is about a God, or a Creator of everything.
The idea of something starting a chain reaction, or the chain reaction being infinite. You can logically prove that something started everything (god), or that nothing started everything.

As an atheist i can accept both the possibilities, since neither can be proven. Resulting in the argument being pointless.
To quote Cossack's Great Grandfather  

"religion is the opiate of the people" -Karl Marx

and a dumb little religious joke
What would the world be like without women??
Perfect, we'd still be in eden.

[Acri]

Since most of you are so uninformed, I doubt this will come anywhere soon:)

Quick question:
Why WOULDN'T an almighty god create wars? Where does it say he hates war? God is Good means he loves you as a person. Doesnt mean he doesnt mind you dying.

Me = catholic

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Acri, your blatant superiority complex is sickening, perhaps you could enlighten some of us with your enhanced knowledge of the subject. Im quite "uniformed" but it was my inclination that God does not condone the murder of fellow man, which is the basis of war. If God condones murder, it further reiterates my point that religion is a blight on mankind.  

[spike]

 if religon is such a "blight" as you say, why has some form of worship existed since the start of the human race? i know that you might be pessemistic, but you cannot tell me that we couldnt have figured it out after all these thousands of years. the fact that religon is still a powerful force in our world demonstrates how it is a positive thing

[c| Spetsnaz.]

I fail to see your logic. Perhaps, im too much of a laymen. The fact that its a powerful force makes it a positive thing? I think not. This increases its ability to be used in the wrong way. Societies have been manipulated through religion on countless occasions, with horrific results.

"Any system of religion that has anything in it that shocks the mind of a child, cannot be a true system." - Thomas Paine

[Mr.Mellow]

Just remember, murder and violence have been around just as long as religion. I don't see those as a positive thing, yet they bring more personal benefits than religion. Kill another caveman for his food, get to eat for another week, etc. Kill off another tribe of cavemen, and steal their homes, and you stay warm for the winter.
Anyways. I have nothing against God or believing in God(s). However, religion is just another way of controlling people and extorting the weak. I doubt God is very happy with how things have turned out. Remember, you don't have to go to Church to be a believer.

[Brain]

Brain where are you from in wisconsin.. I'm from there too.

45 min SW of Milwaukee on i 43


happy now ghostsniper?  dont make me spam you till you glow

 

[BTs_GhostSniper]

OMG!!!  YOU'RE NOT BRAIN....YOU DIDN'T POST IN GREEN!  Quick, somebody SHOOT the imposter!!!

[bronto]

http://objective.jesussave.us/kidz.html
religion gone wrong..

[Jeb]

here is religion gone wrong

i can't believe people are that serious.

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Bronto, I could not agree more. A childs mind is easily so easily tainted. It is quite sad to see free thought struck down from the mind of a child before it even has a chance to grow. I thought this was especailly poingant: There's a picture of "Mr.Gruff" the atheist, whom is a cartoon goat, the following is for young children to see:

If you find an Atheist in your neighborhood,
TELL A PARENT OR PASTOR RIGHT AWAY!
You may be moved to try and witness to
these poor lost souls yourself, however
AVOID TALKING TO THEM!
Atheists are often very grumpy and bitter and will lash out at children or they may even try to trick you into neglecting God's Word.
Very advanced witnessing techniques are needed for these grouches. Let the adults handle them.

That site practically made me sick.