Bush Goes to Iraq!

[c| Spetsnaz.]

I just visited some of those web sites SICKboy, and I have to tell you that that is some of the biggest liberal bullshit I've ever seen.  Now, anyone who really thinks that what is contained in www.thetruthaboutgeorge.com is TRUE, you are the biggest idiot I've ever met.  Eat shit and die you fucking communist socialist cocksuckers.  I bet you cried the day the Soviet Union fell.

Macuser1984, it really is not astonishing to hear such vulgar and inappropriate backlash from simple minded people such as yourself and those who actually support Bush. Honestly couldn't you come up with something a little more constructive, perhaps link a site disproving or state your point of view in a non-offensive way. I really do not need to point out your antagonistic arrogance, as your post speaks for itself.

If you read the many other posts contained within this thread you will find that they are intelligent and well thought out no matter what opinion is being expressed. When a disagreement does indeed occur, childish attacks are not resorted to in any instance accept your own. Such simple minded attacks are so often resorted to because of an innate lack of knowledge on the subject being discussed.

I shall not retort with a childish attack of my own, rather I will leave you with a quote.
 
"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."   -George W. Bush

[Mr. Lothario]

     Is it just me, or is that Bush quote uncomfortably Hitleresque?

[c| Spetsnaz.]

Its not just you. I chose to display that particular quote because it conveys what Bush is all about. There is nothing more dangerous than a subvert theocratic democracy in which the electorate are largely indifferent when it comes to foreign policy. The question of the existence of God is a whole other thread in its self. Personally it is frightening to think that the most powerful and advanced nation in the world is headed by a man who talks to God. Next time you go into work late, tell your boss it was because you were talking to God and see what happens. Why is it therefore acceptable to base a nations foreign policy on a religious basis?

[-SW- Baz]

whered u get that quote, spetz?

[c| Spetsnaz.]

 Baz, http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/bush.htm  ...I see you are a buckeye, as am I.  

[westamastaflash]

You'll notice that the quote on the site is Hearsay from the Frmr. Palestinean Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas - nowhere is there a second source to verify the truth or falseness of the quote, though I don't doubt that Bush may have said something similar - I doubt he used those exact words - his handlers would never have allowed it.


As for the websites Ssickboy presented, I present this quote from Moveon.org:

This morning, the Senate resoundingly rejected the Bush-Cheney energy bill, with 40 courageous Senators voting to sustain a filibuster. This victory would not have been possible without your phone calls, which were among 22,000 made by MoveOn members this week on this issue. It's a huge victory. Congratulations!!

40 senators is a "resounding rejection" and a "huge victory"? What are they smoking? Maybe if 70 senators had voted AGAINST the bill, they'd have something.

This brings up the abuse of the filibuster and its modern, horrible incarnation (the senators don't even have to go up and get out the cots and read from the telephone book anymore!)


Anyway, if you want a website where the Issues are discussed with BOTH sides of the story presented, and thinkers are welcomed, not tossed out as "conservative reactionaries" - I've found its tough to go wrong with openDemocracy http://www.opendemocracy.net/home/index.jsp

Use some common sense here people - Yes, Bush has some problems. Yes, he's made some mistakes. But the economy is on the rebound, 30 million people will get to live in freedom, and the US is safer from A-Q and Mr Sodamn Insane!

[jn.loudnotes]

Common sense doesn't make me think that:

1.  The economy is on the rebound.  Yes, a few indicators have improved, but unless it just gets better on its own through some sort of free market excessiveness of optimism (not likely with all the other crap going on) it's not getting any better, because the administration hasn't properly applied the needed stimuli.

2.  30 million people will get to live in freedom.  Have you ever stopped for a moment and wondered what the US would do if the Iraqi people elect an oppressive tyrant we don't approve of?  It's not that far-fetched a possibility, given the current political climate and cultural history of the area.  And if you elect your dictator, are you living in freedom?  In that case, Iraqis were already free under Hussein.  Nothing has suggested to me that there's any way the elections will be fair.

3.  The US is safer.  Wow, optimism is your strong suit.  Why on earth do you feel any safer having two supposed terrorists underground where you can't monitor them, doing who knows what, as opposed to being out in the open.  I guess they can't use training facilities anymore. . .gee, I feel so safe.  It's not like it takes that much training to blow yourself up.

Anyway, the moveon website was correct in that despite the drastic measures required, a potentially damaging and terrible piece of legislation was not enacted.  It's a shame that our country has to resort to such lengths.  And it would be unreasonable to expect all websites to provide both sides of the issue.  Everyone's opinions are worth publishing, not only those in the middle.

[c| Sssickboy]

Thanks for the link westmasta.  So far I like it.

The scariest thing for me is the all the organized, huge money backed, private/value/religious institutions and companies that lobby and fund our Politicians.  Most of these have a seemingly tight grip on Republican Policies, and even have some influence on the Democrat's side.  It has gotten so out of hand that our government is losing it's true democratic form.  

So these smaller grass roots, for the people, non-profit organizations like Moveon.org are trying to bring more power to the people.  And keep those who are interested informed through the web.  It's fast, and interactive.  I admit, it's "liberal" leaning.  I just never thought the Christian Coalation ever shared my view of reality.