Workaround for the NF block

[Blufire]

nope, even registered NF users are blocked... premiums are the only ones who are allowed to use NF.

typhy is right, though

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

Guys, Evill was aware of the exploits straight from the start. You open NF as another user. There. It's said. So what you going to do about it, Evill? Nothing. It'd be to much work for him to "correct" this. I don't support Evill's blocking NF, but perhaps this should act as a wake up call for those of you who still haven't paid?

well even though you r running it as a diff user it still shows up in the trminal program that you r running it so it is still possible to sut it down

[tasty]

It seems to me that "not supporting" and "writing code to deliberately disable" are two different things.

[[OZ] Jedda]

It seems so tasty.

This is terrible. The last straw.

Sure, Evill may want/need a bit of extra cash, but blatantly blackmailing users into purchasing your product and supporting your corrupt monopoly is just fucked.

I'm sure as soon as Evill comes along to read this, he'll do a bit of perma-banning, and I'm all for it. I'm so sick of this shit that i'll make it easy for him.

Sir Evill, here are my GameRanger details should you feel that you need to be a corrupt twat :

Name : [OZ] Jedda
GR ID : 96456
Premium Status : I Think Not

Go nuts you corrupt prick.

Out. - J

[onwig]

guys one thing......

evill has to do these things to keep GR going, and mb a bit of profit thrown in.. who knows? i dont..... how much does it cost to run GR hell its not even my business to know that... its like asking a person what they earn each year somethings you are just not meant to know.

ok its pissing u guys off... but when u was younger i had to without things. like going to the pictures when all my mates did and my parents couldnt afford to let me go... (didnt have a forum back then to go on about it).

what u rather it be GR or no GR.?

just my opinion

[Acri]

No privacy rights are being broken. You have no rights on GameRanger. Absolutely no rights. Especially not you non-premiums. I think it is great that Evill turns netfone off. I think it is pathetic that you can come to GR without paying. Get a life. If you can't afford premium, neither can you afford your games. Those who say they can't afford it should all be banned for piracy!

[Brain]

AFAIK evill has never banned someone for something they have said on the damn forums

[seth]

Typhy,

Do you really think GR is worth 50 bucks A YEAR ? in my opinion, never.

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

Acri this is bullshit - before I didnt work (pupil) I could only spend arround 50 $ a yaer for a game - so I bought only one game a year - some times only 1 on two years.

But when I have only 50 bugs to spend - what do u think I do? I spend It for GR , and having no game to play on GR, or i spend it for a game, where I can play offline,too.

This bullshit about Premium is axactly that what I though that would happen - those who payed startes to think that they are something better. Boys  STFU

And the rights own NF are broken - B/C evill impliment Code that that disables NF, when GR starts, and that is not legal - that one software closes an other just to prevent using it.

An example - It would also be illegal when Apples Mail would prevent the use of Microsofts Entourage - when it starts. Just b/c it is also a mail program.

[Mr. Lothario]

Guys, Evill was aware of the exploits straight from the start. You open NF as another user. There. It's said. So what you going to do about it, Evill? Nothing. It'd be to much work for him to "correct" this. I don't support Evill's blocking NF, but perhaps this should act as a wake up call for those of you who still haven't paid?

well even though you r running it as a diff user it still shows up in the trminal program that you r running it so it is still possible to sut it down

     Wrong. It is possible to see other users' processes, yes. It is not possible to shut them down without either an admin password or the root password, however. Guess what GameRanger doesn't have? That's right, those passwords. Process ownership is one of the fundamental parts of Unix, and it ensures (along with file/directory ownership) that a user can only screw up stuff that belongs to them. It takes an admin to screw up the whole system, and the assumption is that admins know enough not to do that.

[*DAMN Hazard]

Typhy,

Do you really think GR is worth 50 bucks A YEAR ? in my opinion, never.

Do you really think it is worth it for him to keep up GR if he gets no profit? He pays for the server and provides you with a place to play games in a close community. I'm not saying I agree with this whole nf thing but look at it from his side. I damn well know if I owned GR and it was pulling me into debt I would drop it.

Have you ever heard the expression "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"?

Look into it.

[Typhy]

Absolutely, Bob.

Let's take a look at just the apps in my dock - Photoshop 7.0, which I bought. Several hundered bucks.

Unreal Tournament 2003, Medal of Honor: Spearhead, Medal of honor: Allied Assault, Return to Castle Wolfensitein, Soldier of Fortune II, and a beta to a game that many of you will soon pay 50 bucks for.

Point is, you play GHR, RvS, RS, R6, MOH:AA, SOF2 - anything through GR - then GR is playing a big roll in your gaming life.

50 bucks. We're talking one game, if you value your multiplayer experience, then you owe some cash to Evill.

Evill said, yesterday, something along the lines of "There are 2 options, 1, I can do things to encourage people to buy premium, or 2, I shut down GameRanger," which do you choose? Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with Evill doing some really nasty things to non premium members - he could make a timer - 180 seconds to open GR unless you've paid - if you delete your preffs, you lose your buddy list. Mean? Yes, but it'd encourage people to pay.

Personally, I don't like the NF block. My opinion - he should do things to make GR unfriendly to the non premium members, but he shouldn't block other apps. If he's going to block NF, hell, why not be a real pain in the ass and make GR quit all other apps?

[BTs_Mysterio]

NF Block=Microsoft on Mac

Sure you say 50 bucks isn't all that much, but when you think about it yes, it is.

You buy yourself a *DECENT* computer usually 1500-2000 then you probably want a nice selection of game.... 8 games...$400 dollars, decent internet connection lets say ($35 a month) $420...Well no one uses a crapy apple mouse for gaming so lets say a 30 buck mouse...Speakers, cheap.... 40 bucks...

So just the basics are about.... for a $1750 computer you spend $890 more for stuff without premium, then you go up to 940 w/premium, hmm then NF costs 15 so 955...

NF is a paid product; I was about to buy it when this came up. Now I probably won't. This is damaging Haxial a lot. Their little business will probably suffer even more now that Scott has banned possibly their main product.

Scott is morally wrong to do this. Sure banning links and chats and all that stuff is only affecting GR, but to go out and damage another company out of greed is unjust. I have no problem with him adding new feature, as long as I cans till play games I'll be fine, but this isn't fair. There should be laws about intentionally disabling a application you didn't create.

This is bullshit.

[Supernatural Pie]

I think GameRanger and Haxial should have a "code-off."

They each write coding into their program, trying to force quit the other one.

Start up gameranger, netfone quits, or startup netfone, gameranger quits.

WHO IS THE ?BER CODER!?

[*DAMN Hazard]

NF Block=Microsoft on Mac

Sure you say 50 bucks isn't all that much, but when you think about it yes, it is.

You buy yourself a *DECENT* computer usually 1500-2000 then you probably want a nice selection of game.... 8 games...$400 dollars, decent internet connection lets say ($35 a month) $420...Well no one uses a crapy apple mouse for gaming so lets say a 30 buck mouse...Speakers, cheap.... 40 bucks...

So just the basics are about.... for a $1750 computer you spend $890 more for stuff without premium

So your saying it's ok for Evill to pay for all of this plus a server you use regularly and not ask for $50 dollars from you?

[seth]

Well, i'm still ok with paying a one-time fee, 50$ to GR, wich is more than enough if you consider GR as a convenient way to join others players in your favorite game.

Just a thought: what about direct IP joining ?
A server would advertise an IP on GR or any other website and people would join directly to this IP from Ghost Recon, after shuting down GR and starting NF.

[Acri]

Show me where it says it is illegal to quit other applications? I have a very hard time believing that it is. What if Evill does this:

By using this application you agree to not using Netfone unless you are premium

He could add that to his terms

A lot of apps kill other apps. Sure, Evill's app has an evil motive to it, but its the same thing.

[l ! l Ross]

Well, i'm still ok with paying a one-time fee, 50$ to GR, wich is more than enough if you consider GR as a convenient way to join others players in your favorite game.

Just a thought: what about direct IP joining ?
A server would advertise an IP on GR or any other website and people would join directly to this IP from Ghost Recon, after shuting down GR and starting NF.

A one time payment to GR would not work. Evill has to pay for the servers and badwith every year he wouldn't survive on a one off payment. Its like iTools used to be free but Apple couldn't afford to keep it running so they had to make people pay for it. Atleast Evill still lets you use the service without paying, he could easily have made it so you had to pay.

If you think Gameranger is a service you can live without then try finding a GhR game without Gameranger.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

But when I have only 50 bugs to spend - what do u think I do? I spend It for GR , and having no game to play on GR, or i spend it for a game, where I can play offline,too.

So where did you come up for the $25 for netfone?

and that is not legal - that one software closes an other just to prevent using it.

An example - It would also be illegal when Apples Mail would prevent the use of Microsofts Entourage - when it starts. Just b/c it is also a mail program.

Wrong.  It is not illegal for one program to stop another from working at the same time.  GR isn't an OS (like Microsuck), so it's a completely different issue.  NetFone still works, just not at the same time as you are in a game of GR.  So all you anti-trust boys should, in your own works, STFU.

As for not paying $50 for a year, do you guys ever go to the movies?  If so, you probably spend about $8 for 90 minutes on average.  That's about 6 movies a year, with no popcorn, for the same price.  So, you'd pay it for 9 hours worth of movie watching, but not for unlimited time on GR.  

I think Evill should just make it premium only, if only to stop all the bitching about premium.

[Blufire]

Show me where it says it is illegal to quit other applications? I have a very hard time believing that it is. What if Evill does this:

By using this application you agree to not using Netfone unless you are premium

He could add that to his terms

A lot of apps kill other apps. Sure, Evill's app has an evil motive to it, but its the same thing.

I think it fell under unfair business practices for Microsoft when they made Netscape screw up when IE was installed as well... and they got their balls busted by the gov't, back in the days when the gov't actually cared about this kinda stuff.

It's already in the terms. It says that 'by using this software, you acknowledge that GameRanger is not compatible with all voice communications software.' That lets him say that NF is incompatible with GameRanger.

Which apps kill other apps made by competing vendors? The last time I heard about it was with Microsoft and Netscape.

[EDIT: heh, apparently Bucc made a post right as I was posting mine. Point taken]