Possible Finals Schedualing Conflict

[c| Splinter]

So, while boning up on my DAMN BL rules for the upcoming finals, I see a potential problem.

Attention: in the finals you have to play! The default cb times are one cb per day - EUR vs EUR clans at 8:00pm GMT, US vs US clans 9pm EST(New York Time) and EUR vs US clans 10:30pm GMT(5:30pm EST) and if your clan comes from outside EUR or US the default time is 6:00pm GMT. # of players is up to you. If you can't decide the default # of players will be taken.

With the shortened final length of 9 days (where you have to CB one a day), most of these CBs will be on weekdays.  The problem I see is with the default time for US vs EUR CBs .  With US clans like c|, who are made primarily of west coast members, that would place the default CB time at 2:30pm, right when everyone is at work or school.  

I know we're going for a quick season with quick finals, but cross-continental CBs have to be allowed to be played on a weekend due to the very small timeframe window.  Hopefully we can find some sort of solution to this problem.

[crypt]

Hmm, yeah, that could be bad, I'm sure both clans will be able to agree to a neutral time for both.

[TError]

I agree with Splinter, if there will be EUR clans vs west US clans, it will cause problems if its on weekdays. I think that the admins should decide what to do if the problem should appear.

[.::|N| DIESEL]

Nice Job Splint.  I forgot to check on the scheduling conflicts.  

Thanks.

[cO.Vickedson]

Splint...

Will you guys please win a couple more cb's and take the top seed so we can play you and not Core?  Seeing that [one] is now practically all US we're going to have a bitch of a time scheduling anything during the week being that none of us even usually come on til around 7-8 EST...

I'm not sure I'm going to like my bosses responce when I say..."sorry sir, I have to go home to clan battle on my computer..."

Or fuck, maybe we'll just see.

[crypt]

lol wickedson, I sure hope that with the Core cb's whoever gets them can do the cb's all in one weekend if possible. It would be a bitch for them to stay up till later but at the same time a bitch for us to play earlier, the only thing i don't like about the scheduling is that the euro squads have been online all day long (warming up) so they might have that automatic advantage, something needs to be done, now.

[BTs_GhostSniper]

Not a problem....quit your jobs and drop out of school and have FUN in the finals!!!

Disclaimer-
The preceding statement in no way supports vagrancy or illiteracy.

[cO.Vickedson]

My only thought would be that there are two seperate finals brackets, one for euro teams, one US....

Now that Zero Tolerance has formed out of [one] they will bring another "very strong" Euro group to be reckoned with next year.  Maybe we allow in the top 3 Euro and the top 3 US in the finals.  The #1 seeds on each side of the bracket are awarded byes for their efforst over the regular season and the #2 and #3 seeds on each side play normal finals cb's.  The winners logically meet their respective #1 seeds and then the winners of those rounds take on each other in the finals.  This would help with the time differences tremendously being that we only have to worry about the championship being played overseas...

As far as members goes, it now seems that most "competing" clans are made up of soley US players or soley Euro players.  I think we should go with that and build the rivalry, maybe a US v Euro All Star game or something, who knows...everyone around here obviously loves competition and we should embrace it, we're all friends right?

But as it looks now [one] will be facing Core in round 1 where I believe we should make a real effort to get all this out over the weekend, because I'm not rushing home early from work losiin all ma bling bling to play a bunch of mofos who been blitzin noobs all day.....holla!

[c| Dr. NO]

Splint...

Will you guys please win a couple more cb's and take the top seed so we can play you and not Core?  Seeing that [one] is now practically all US we're going to have a bitch of a time scheduling anything during the week being that none of us even usually come on til around 7-8 EST...

I'm not sure I'm going to like my bosses responce when I say..."sorry sir, I have to go home to clan battle on my computer..."

Or fuck, maybe we'll just see.

If someone would cb us (other then a euro clan) that would be great.  I would love to fight you in round 1

[.::|N|SOC]

wick-

the euro vs US thing sounds fine to me. would be cool. for the finals only.

during the regular season we can cb 'cross-pond' and not be limited to our own bracket.

although last season would have ended very differently, not having a c| v BTs final match.

and it forces clans to pick sides, right? the rivalry part is great. the exclusion might not be. and what about the other places on the globe?

[*DAMN Hazard]

That could be a good idea for a tournament kind of like a WW3 kind of theme. For the finals I think it should remain the way it is with mixed Euro and U.S. brackets.

[c| Splinter]

Flies,

If you read closer you'll see that BTs, .::|N|, and [one] all see the problem that US v EUR CBs pose on weekdays.  I'm just trying to start a discussion on how we can come up with a solution, so please try not to be so condescending.

Oh yeah Splint.....your cry for CB?s .... Like said before, we are (and have been) rdy to meet the C-clan, even before the finals, if you like. And I talked with N-Ararmath, who is still rdy to offer you a dedicated host. On our side, DAMN-Elandrions host seems to be the quickest option right now.

Please read/remember more carefully, those conversation you had were with Dr. NO, as well as his comment about CBs.  

[c| Splinter]

Have we not been flexible? We let you host first in our CB.  Dr. NO has had extensive talks with Aramarth, and Eladrion, and to my knowledge was the one that initiated all those conversations.  We have done our part, Flies.

I'm going to speak for me personally here, the rest of my clan may have differing opinions.  But the reason that we haven't CBed you since, is frankly, I don't get the least amount of enjoyment out of it.  When you spend triple the amount of time talking, discussing, debating, and planning for a CB, then actually playing the CB, the point has been lost.  This is a game, it's supposed to be fun, and situations like these are far from fun.  I have no desire to spend countless hours trying to sort this out, because honestly, it doesn't mean that much to me.  It's just a game, and we're all competing for an 80x80 icon for the love of god.  I don't care if you guys beat us 100 times in a row.  I don't care if we win the BL or come in last place.  I come online here to just have fun.  I just played a 2v2 against SL and got my ass kicked.  But it was fun.  We didn't debate, we didn't argue...we just played.  Coming online, seeing a clan with 4 or 5 guys on, and saying "Hey you wanna CB?"  and then just playing...that's what it's about.  All of this 'drama'...it's just pointless.

All of that aside if c| and ! do meet in the finals, I am willing to work to make this as easy as possible for both teams, because basically I have no choice.  I want this to be as painless as possible, so we can stop doing all of this.  All the preparations have been made.  Eladrion has told Dr. NO that with enough advance warning he can set up his dedicated server, and Aramarth being the good hearted guy he is, I'm sure would be willing to do the same.  So flies, we are flexible, and have done our part.

And as 90% of threads do, this has gotten way off the topic.  The point was to find out if everyone involved would be willing to allow for scheduling changes.  It looks as though everyone is willing, so good.  Good luck to all participants in the finals.

[*DAMN Mauti]

Well one solution that would make the finals much easier is that I could cut the final brackets to only 1 CB per round. Of course that game would be a longer game(e.g. 16games instead of 10). That is something I could offer.

So you would have 2 days to set up this  cb and because it is only 1 CB a clan can agree to play later and longer.

That's something I can offer. Just post your opinions about it. The Downside would be that you only have 1 chance to proceed to the next round.

Bye,

Mauti
ps: about the default times, I'm aware of this problem and may you could post times that would fit for west coast - eur clans(time difference 9 hours).

[c| Dr. NO]

nah, i think 3 games is better only cause it gives other members of the clan a chance to be in the finals.  Last season for us was so ruff, we had 3 people from our whole clan to cb, everyone was moving or out of town or some shit.  So this season, for c| i would like to give some of the other members a chance to fight.

[.::|N|SOC]

wait! I have the answer!

N and c| should merge, so we'll have plenty of people on both US coasts available to cb!

woot!

oh, wait, maybe that isn't such a good idea.... sounded good for a minute there....

[[one] Gambit]

One possible 'solution' to help resolve the 'problem' would be to end the season on a Friday, opening up the next day (Saturday) for finals matches. I know this makes it harder for clans trying to make up ground at the last second.... but who cares?   THey should have thought of that 2 weeks ago.

Still, this does not resolve the problem for round 2 matches. Perhaps the only really fair way to accomodate everyone and all the time zones would be to stretch the finals over 3 weekends. I know this also stretches out the agony for you guys in DAMN, but it also allows the most players an opportunity to participate in something they (presumably) have been working towards for weeks. Assuming we actually do make the finals this season, [one] has more than a couple of people who are already going to miss whatever first round matches we play... perhaps scheduling wont be so difficult after we upset the #1 seed  

Gambit

[.::|N| DIESEL]

OMG Soc.  

[Noto]

wait! I have the answer!

N and c| should merge, so we'll have plenty of people on both US coasts available to cb!

woot!

oh, wait, maybe that isn't such a good idea.... sounded good for a minute there....

But Soc... I hear those guys are assholes!  

[.::|N|SOC]

I assume you mean the N guys. And boy, do I agree.