.::|N| vs |GM| problem

[.::|N| DIESEL]

A good example came to my attention on this and Im sure it goes for everyone because everyone has experienced it.  The matter that in which noreaga has crawled on steps and cannot get up is the same as having one gernade left with the SA-80 and not being able to use it.  Somtimes the game allows you to use that last gernade in the kit, somtimes you are able to crawl on the stairs, but once you cannot complete either of these tasks then there really is no redo.  Its pretty much a problem with a game.  

During that game I could have eliminated a GM player with my last nade, however, the nade never came out.  There is no redo suggested.  I just had to deal with it.  Its unfortunate but I just have to plan for it when down to my last nade.  It may work or it wont.  

[GEN BILLY]

ok this is my response to the whole matter please dont get mad its just my view point.

a while back mauti posted (i could be mistaken but i dont think i am)

that if you get caught in a glitch and get killed its a legal kill.

ie: * if your laying down behind the wall in red square and your body is visible  and get killed its a legal kill its in the game *

Do you remember this post mauti?

i think this has the same matter here that when noreaga got caught in a glitch we were notified we could have simply went over to him and killed him but we didnt we gave him the opportunity to get out of it and finish the game well he wiggled his way in deeper and got stuck and time went buy and game was over

what can i say we took the warzone he got caught in a glitch we tried to help him get out he got deeper in the glitch we did not go and kill him we waited for him to get out he couldnt time went out
game over.

sorry to say i think the game stands as is.

[c| Dr. NO]

OK, so when i talked to harvey, he told me that they were winning at the time that they asked to redo the match.  What he didint tell me was that they were winning the war, not the battle.  So this is why at first i said it should be redone, cause think about it.  Your winning and you ask to redo, and the other team says no?  I thought N was looking at the glitch as a chance to win the battle and didnt want to redo cause of that.  But now i see the light, and Noto is right about mauti ruleing on this in the past.  These glitches are known, they dont happen alot cause esc gets you out of it most of the time.  I told harvey i didnt wanna rule redo in the first place cause it would just open the door to more glitching bs, so i'm glade to hear the truth.

i'm sorry GM, but these things happen, it's happend to us a few times.  

N will keep their win, no redo is needed.

I agree with NO's ruling. -Haz

I support your ruling - Elan

[cO.Kuza]

Funny I have the same problem but I cannot crouch/prone. the cure for it (works for me) is ESC then resume, but by then your already dead.

Ohh this and this has to be a product of lag because it happens to me when playing on crowded servers.

+MOD+ Kuza:.

[BTs_Lee.Harvey]

K.. I agree w/ the ruling b/c it camr from an admin.. But at the same time i think that it is Bull Shit that b/c my player could not stand up due to a prob in the game and we asked to replay that map that we do not have a right to get the replay... there was no way we could help the problem. It just sems like compleat BS. But as i said.. a ruleing is a ruleing.

[Toxic::Joka]

ok this is my response to the whole matter please dont get mad its just my view point.

a while back mauti posted (i could be mistaken but i dont think i am)

that if you get caught in a glitch and get killed its a legal kill.

ie: * if your laying down behind the wall in red square and your body is visible  and get killed its a legal kill its in the game *

Do you remember this post mauti?

He did

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~damnr6/yabbse/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=4321

[Aramarth]

LOL joka. Billy and I spent hours looking for that.  

[.::|N|SOC]

just fyi-

i doubt this has anything to do with lag...other than that when you warp under lag conditions you sometimes end up in unintended places, or move in unnatural ways.

I have been stuck in places that were impossible to escape from in several maps. It almost always happens when crawling, and you happen to crawl into a wall which has been improperly defined in the program...ie: a fragment of wall which has it's collision surface reversed, so you can pass into it, but not out. This sometimes happens in craters, but I haven't seen that first-hand.

The times it has happened to me were on Vilinius and on a couple of the frostbite maps, in particular on the that big cargo ship. If you are inside the ship and run against the curved surface of the outside wall down below, in some places you can actually fall under the floor, and cannot get out.

As it's been said a thousand times here and in the ever-present glitch discussions, do not go prone near stairs or sloping surfaces. Of course, some maps have nothing but sloping surfaces everywhere, but I would avoid the edges and corners, where there are lots of small facets on the map... and you cant always tell if one is missing or poorly-defined or reversed.

[.vooDoo.]

OK, so when i talked to harvey, he told me that they were winning at the time that they asked to redo the match.  What he didint tell me was that they were winning the war, not the battle.  So this is why at first i said it should be redone, cause think about it.  Your winning and you ask to redo, and the other team says no?  I thought N was looking at the glitch as a chance to win the battle and didnt want to redo cause of that.  But now i see the light, and Noto is right about mauti ruleing on this in the past.  These glitches are known, they dont happen alot cause esc gets you out of it most of the time.  I told harvey i didnt wanna rule redo in the first place cause it would just open the door to more glitching bs, so i'm glade to hear the truth.

i'm sorry GM, but these things happen, it's happend to us a few times.  

N will keep their win, no redo is needed.

I agree with NO's ruling. -Haz

I support your ruling - Elan

I also agree and this topic is now resolved.