Why We Fight

[*DAMN Mauti]

The fascination never stops: POWER, MONEY, WAR and more MONEY(OIL)!

[The Ghost of Bondo]

That is just too disturbing.

[cookie]

I don't want my eyes.

[alaric]

What the fuck is this Mauti?? I mean seriously, people tell me Europe doesn't have a serious problem with alcoholism but you've got me wondering...

Okay, let me see if I've got you line of thought here, however strange it may be. You want to protest Greed by embracing pedophilia?

[Ace]

I thought we were supposed to turn to Mauti for the final say in what we should mod and what we shouldn't, but WHAT THE FUCKING HELL?!?!

[tasty]

That's not pleasant to look at, but i wouldn't exactly say it's pedophilic. It's a baby, and baby nudity is generally accepted by society.

[[V] Silverblade]

mauti i bet in the us they would send u to a therapy after posting this pic. didnt they sue the little kid who tried to help his sister pee?

[*DAMN Mauti]

Don't be so prudish. Obviously you don't get my message. - I just was too tired to argue why this war was started and that this war has only very less to do with Sadaam. But here is the explanation of my post:

The baby grew up and is now an adult playing with power, money and weapons... The fascination never ends!

[*DAMN Elandrion]

lol unbelievable...

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Hehe, I understood what it meant, but I'm still disturbed.

[kami]

Haha, that's just hilarious. Mauti, did you fix that pic yourself (I mean with the animation and text)? Frankly I don't see the connection to power very clearly.

Alaric, why do you connect it to Europe? You don't think anyone in the US could come up with the same thing? Also, how is that pedophilia?

[tasty]

I think Mauti was trying to say that the power grubbing tactics of international relations are infantile, and that instead of playing with their tiny penises they are now playing with expensive weapons.

[abe]

***sighs***

I get really irritated with the whole "holier-than-thou" spiel our freinds in germany and austria are doing on the rest of the world and the US in particular. Yes, europe (and those two countries in particular) have seen a lot of wars, but that doesnt mean that everytime a problem arisies, we can categorically reject the use of force. look at how public opinion in germany was against intervening in kosovo or bosnia, when the rest of world agreed that somthing needed to be done. now think of what fmr yugoslavia would look like if it hadent been for the 98 bombing campaign. i think a similar case can be made for iraq in 2 years time, as long as the administraton does a decent job in putting the country back together.

[alaric]

Kami, I connect it to Europe because it's funny. I connect it to pedophilia because it's funny. Not because I seriously mean either of those statements. It was meant to be a humorous post, but looking back vocal inflection might be difficult to catch when you're reading.

So, in the interest of Trans-Atlantic co-operation and reconciliation, I'd like to make it clear that my post was just a couple of friendly jabs at Mauti, NOT personal attacks on him, Europe, Europeans, or pedophiles.

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Abe, a hell of a lot more countries/populations are against this war than just Germany, Austria, or even Europe.

[jn.loudnotes]

Look at former Yugoslavia now.  You're telling me a bombing campaign improved its appearance??!

Anyway, I don't really see how that's relevant, since the force used there was approved by the UN.  

Also, the Germans and Austrians do have much war experience and are justified in saying that it's not a good idea.  Good point.  Plus, they're right.  So how is that an arrogant approach?  It's so rare that abstaining from violence will cause problems.

[abe]

Bondo: yes a lot of other countries opposed the war, but in germany it wasnt even a question of a UN mandate or not, they rejected force against iraq categorically. besides, i wasnt talking about other countries in the world, i was talking about germany and austria. and yes, public opinion in those countries is more anti-war than elsewhere.

loudnotes: heres what the bombing improved in fmr yugoslavia: there are no more mass graves being filled with men over 18, whose only crime was being muslim or croatian. ethnic violence has been kept under control since NATO and UN peacekeepers are there, so yes, it did improve things somewhat. stopping a genocide does usually improve the appearance of a country, yes.

Anyway, I don't really see how that's relevant, since the force used there was approved by the UN.

ummmm........NO. the kosovo and bosnia interventions were NATO operations that were not explicitly authorized by the UN security council, because Russia (and china, mb, im not sure) sat on its veto to protect their serb homeboys. only afterwards did the UN pass a resolution saying that the action was justified, mostly to save face.

btw, loudnotes: i am german and the lesson that i draw from hitler and ww2 is that force is somtimes appropriate to stop an even bigger conflict from happening. if the UK and france had reacted to hilters invasion of the rhineland, hitler would have been overthrown and ww2 would have been averted. a lot of ppl seem to think it means that war is wrong in all circumstances. seems a little simplistic to me......

[kami]

I got this from the Infiltration (mod for UT) forums, don't know if it's true, think it is though. Anyway it's hilarious


Experts with newscaster on CNN 24th March. 3 American  experts including a former 2-star general, 1 ex SAS and the network's anchor:

Footage of Iraqis giving themselves up.

Anchor: We have no verification as of yet if they are British or Americantroops taking these POW's

American 1: Only Americans wear boots like that, they're American

American 2: I agree, and they appear to have American camouflage jackets.

The General: I'm not so sure, there's not enough up-close detail to tell 100%, we'd need some close images to tell make of boots and jackets and maybe the shape of their Kevlar headgear.

Ex SAS man: Call yourselves experts? Since when did US forces use an SA80 as a standard issue rifle? Their DPM's can be bought as can boots so you're chasing rainbows if you want to identify them from their clothes.

Anchor: I think you're right.

Ex SAS man: ! Course I'm bloody right. Any one with half a brain and basic military training worth their salt should be able to identify a British soldier by his rifle. Not to mention the fact they're covering all points properly, not shouting "woo yeah" randomly, and haven't raised a flag in direct contravention with orders.

At this point 1 of the Americans walks off stage tearing his mic off, and the anchor says "I think we can safely say the soldiers on your screen are British. Now for these messages".

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Hehe, that is classic.

I disagree with the UK going along with the US, but the Brits still rule.  Blair despite his support for the war is still respectable, you can tell he really hates having to work with Bush on these issues that he supports because Bush makes things sound so bad by changing his arguments every five minutes.

[kami]

Haha, amen Bondo. I actually like Blair, seems like a good guy.