PREMIUM GR!!! WTF!!!?!?!

[Scott_Kevill]

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GR users get this for $50 USD:

64 x 64 icon, drop shadow and bold name, auto away message, chatrooms, a private chat room.

sounds like an awesome deal

Sure it does when you twist the facts to suit your angle.

I've been on GR longer then many. If anyone comes and tell me I should pay just to support GR they are wrong. This is a travesty.  Evill really does know that this isn't worth the money. He compared it to .Mac in chat.

I compared it to .Mac for a reason. One .Mac pissed off a lot of people by getting you hooked on features and then demanding you pay for them, then throwing in token features to make it sound better that people didn't need. GameRanger has not changed the free service. You don't have to pay.

I'd be glad to pay as soon as it offers even a portion of what it should. I use GR for games not to chat. This Premium service badly needs repricing ($20 USD seems resonable for an icon/chatroom) or some additional services offered.

I said from the start that this was the first line of features. It went from 3.1.2 to 3.2, a minor upgrade.

I'd like to see ingame voice chat (not nessesarily file transfers due to warez although maybe a size limit to allow mods and such to be sent)  or perhaps an offical way of implementing clans built in. That would be sweet.

Gee, you just used file transfer as one of GSA's features.

Again I'd love to support GR. I have purchased products advertised on their banners. I clicked their banners sometimes just to make Evill feel better. I will not be blatently taken advantage of especcially if you consider the alternatives.

You sometimes clicked the banners? Wow, that's big of you. Blatantly taken advantage of? The free service hasn't changed.

If you're going to do a critique and comparison, do it objectively.

I am more than happy to say that GameRanger Premium should have more features (if I didn't, I wouldn't have listed that on the Premium web page). It was released now, because if I didn't, I'd probably have had to shut it down -- as it is, I don't actually receive any money for two months. I also released it because there were people wanted to pay for GameRanger as it is, without additional features. People that have used GameRanger for *less* time than you (something you gloated about above), yet felt extremely appreciative from the number of hours they've enjoyed from it.

You, on the other hand, are just being an asshole.

Scott.

[[[EUR]] HoloGram]

Hey Scott and all the others,

Just to make it clear - i didnt want to bitch about this Premium thing - the features are nice but in my opinion not worth it to pay extra money for it.

I would support GR blindly when I start earning money - also paying money for the actuallone - but the step from "free" to 50 $ was to high in my eye for the features that are avaible at the moment.

But this all gets an other view, when u look on that, that more features will come soon. I did not know this before. The premium GR will not affect other free member - exception: as I already mentioned, when PM start bann all non PM from games.

But I hope this will never happen. And I would suggest that NOONE, NOONE should starts to black anyone b/c of he is PM or not. B/c this would make the whole mac commuty brake down.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Blah, just found this thread. You guys really need to get a hobby if you're whining about something that doesn't even affect you. I think I said this a million times already, but I'll say it again. Don't think of it as paying $50 for a few extra features. Think of it as donating moolah to Evill and getting some cool stuff in return.

Mellow, I couldn't agree with you more.

I paid, just because I use Scott's service.  I know it must cost him plenty of both time and money.  There is nothing wrong with him wanting to make some back, or even a profit.  I've seen Evill roll back a patch one night, so we could get Ace's GhR server back online.  Complain about him all you want, I few bitches, and all of them small.

I paid, and I don't even like most of the features (small bitch, like we mentioned yesterday, I'd rather have the option for my name to not be at the top of lists and stand out).  I really like the instant patch's option though, that's pretty cool.  If people ask nice, he may even put some mods up there like fileplanet (assuming he has the time and bandwidth to make that change, and that he considers it a good thing).  

So, like Ace said, why in the hell is anyone bitching about this?  Even some of the guys that don't pay for all their games, or any of them, (I will not mention names) have paid for it.  Just to support what GameRanger has brought us so far.  

So what's the bitching about?  Would you have bitched if he'd put in a paypal donate button?  Would you call for a boycott of anyone that donated?  Way to overreact about nothing.  If anything, this is a good thing.  Evill will have more cash, which could lead to more time to make GR even better.  

[BTs_Colin]

Ok so my post wasn't the best thought out piece of writing

I stole the Gamespy idea from Myst (take credit for it now myst!!!).

Yes I have used Gamespy Arcade actually. I agree their features are mostly just things GR users take for granted and the GR service hasn't changed. I've seen too many thing that introduce a PREMIMUM membership and then just start cutting things out of the free membership. They do offer a couple of features gamers might actually want though.

I'm used to being a second class citizen because of having a Mac. I'm just looking to stop this again.

I should clarify being 'blatantly taken advantage of'. I wasn't referrring to me at all. I said it in chat and I'll say it again. I'd rather paypal you $20 CAD then pay $80 CAD for GR premium. I'd feel better knowing you have $20 for the gaming then $80 for idol chatting features. I would exploited paying for that. I couldn't even drink myself into thinking it was a good deal. I just wish GR Premium was something worth paying for as a long time GR gamer. I think it could be. I made a halfassed attempt to make my post constructive at the end. I think I will buy premium because I really do enjoy GR and it deserves my support. I feel cheated by the fact idol features are being given as premium usership. I'd rather a package that actually improved GR rather then segmenting it and cluttering it useless things(from a gaming POV).

Sorry I'll admit that was a rediculous comparison and assholeish. I don't usually post such BS but ... there it is I guess.

[BTs_Colin]

And how come whenever you compare Mac's to PC's people always say 'while why don't you just sell your Mac and do it then!'.

Obviously thats not what I wanna do or I wouldn't be here.

Seems like an easy way to shrug things off.

[Destructo]

50 Us a year....
how about 50 dollars period. a one time shot to join, then like 5-10 a year thereafter?

What do you think, 12 yr old kids can pay 50 a year?

I agree totally with colin on this. If you don't live in the Us your screwed. 50 Us is like 100 bucks cdn, and even more in europe. If there was a paypal button on the gameranger site, I'm sure lots would donate what they can to keep everything up and running, but to go out and charge a fortune for a bigger picture on the screen is ridiculous.

I, like everyone else, understand that you want to make money off of your creation, who dosen't. But I think you will lose more then you would gain buy blasting a huge price right away. 50 is your goal, fine, make it WORTH 50 bucks. For the features I see, 5-10 bucks is a reasonable cost. 50 bucks should GIVE you the games, plus webspace. I pay 50 for my cable.

Now it makes everyone who supported GR for a long time feel like shit, mainly becasue space is being sold to the highest bidder. So now when I tell a power hungry moderator or premium user to go suck a cock, I get an instant ban b/c they are a "paying customer". And if they pay, time to kiss ass right?

I think you better re-think your marketing stratagy.
I've seen businesses crumble in short weeks.

so who's creating a new app? lol

[Scott_Kevill]

Dest, chill, you've got a little pent up anger here.

50 Us a year....
how about 50 dollars period. a one time shot to join, then like 5-10 a year thereafter?

What do you think, 12 yr old kids can pay 50 a year?

I agree totally with colin on this. If you don't live in the Us your screwed. 50 Us is like 100 bucks cdn, and even more in europe. If there was a paypal button on the gameranger site, I'm sure lots would donate what they can to keep everything up and running, but to go out and charge a fortune for a bigger picture on the screen is ridiculous.

I, like everyone else, understand that you want to make money off of your creation, who dosen't. But I think you will lose more then you would gain buy blasting a huge price right away. 50 is your goal, fine, make it WORTH 50 bucks. For the features I see, 5-10 bucks is a reasonable cost. 50 bucks should GIVE you the games, plus webspace. I pay 50 for my cable.

The price may seem a little high now, but I've tried to make it clear that it is my intention to keep adding features to it. This doesn't mean I'm going to have to think of features to add. I already have researched a ton of features that I have lined up. It is going to end up being worth way more than $49.95/year. Don't believe me? Then wait and see instead. Some people have been wanting to pay for it right away. Why would I want to stop them?

Now it makes everyone who supported GR for a long time feel like shit, mainly becasue space is being sold to the highest bidder. So now when I tell a power hungry moderator or premium user to go suck a cock, I get an instant ban b/c they are a "paying customer". And if they pay, time to kiss ass right?

No. They don't get special treatment to the paranoid extreme you're thinking of. Premium members still get banned if they do stupid things. Ask Infection.

I think you better re-think your marketing stratagy.
I've seen businesses crumble in short weeks.

so who's creating a new app? lol

Thank you for your detailed, strategic analysis.

Scott.

[Mr.Mellow]

Des, you should kiss their ass, or at least give them a hug. After all, they're keeping GR afloat. Now, enough with this thread. It's time for kinky shmexual practices with citrus!

[[d]-[p a t]]

Evill: just curious, 50$ a year is from the day I purchase it to the exact day next year? Also, when time expires... will there be like a crossover period of 10 days or so when you can get your money in and renew your premium account? I like what Premium is now and I can't wait to see all the new updates you're thinking of. (I should have premium by the end of the week... like I told you)
-pat

[Scott_Kevill]

Evill: just curious, 50$ a year is from the day I purchase it to the exact day next year? Also, when time expires... will there be like a crossover period of 10 days or so when you can get your money in and renew your premium account? I like what Premium is now and I can't wait to see all the new updates you're thinking of. (I should have premium by the end of the week... like I told you)
-pat

Yes, exact day the following year.. unless you register on Feb 29 which does not mean you get $50 for 4 years

Yes, there will be some kind of renewal period to do that.

Scott.

[iBeer]

wow man great idea.....now see i think this is ridiculous because itll cost me $80 or around that area...i dont have that money...my paycheque a month is 150 and id say alot of that is spent on things like food and school.....in no way whatsoever would i be able to come up with the funds for $80 to blow on an internet service..so here comes the question: how do you expect people who are less fortunate to be able to feel fairly dealt with in the fact that as a faithful GR user of 2 years some little rich kid gets more privelage?

[|MP|Buccaneer]

iBeer, did you get anything taken away?  Did your service go down at all?  Are you not getting the exact same service you got two weeks ago?

It takes money to keep things going, and lots of it.  And most people, no matter what they say, wouldn't just donate it.  So Evill is offering people a few perks if they are willing to support GR.  

And for those that say they can't afford $50 USD, it's the same price as most of the new games.  How did you manage to get them?  Gifts?  Have someone get you GR Premium as a gift.    Warez?  Then who cares what you think.  

If GameRanger means that much to you, you can find a way to pay for it, just like the games.  If GR doesn't, it doesn't, and you still get it for free.  Where is the down side?

You guys are spoiled.  You have a great, free service like GR, that offers a little more for a little money, and you still have to bitch about it.  Would it be better if Scott ran out of cash and GR died?  And you didn't even have it's free service anymore?

[Destructo]

Pat you can use the regular gameranger app liek you are now..you jsut won;t have big icons.

Des, you should kiss their ass, or at least give them a hug. After all, they're keeping GR afloat.

First off mellow. Don't make me look like i'm not greatful because I am. so stfu, your opinion means nothing. Anyone who is anyone is going to try to keep thier own service/business up. So plz, don't talk to me about this, I will bury you with fact and expirence I see and work with everyday.

2nd. no anger here, a little peaved yes, i've been absent, and it's a kick in the balls b/c I just bought a 5 grand mac. This is just adding to my costs for spending way too much this month. that is all. It's like all my favourite bands that sold out, because the ends were more important then the cause.

3rd. I'm going to end up getting premium in teh long run, well, because, i'm rich, and I have a great job, so that's nothing.

Finally, if i'm paying for this I want reciepts, and I want records. If it crashes or is down for 5mins, I'm yanking my payment! (hahaha)

that last quote was one that I've seen lots of that's all. I know the excitment of payment terms. I've seen promisies, that's all. If you don't come through then that's where the problems arise. I see it everyday, especially when I'm dealing with Microsoft.

[Tropical Cossy]

As long as I, the regular member, is allowed to play all games with everyone, I have no problem. The only bad part I see is that it will make some sad comp nerds feel better about themselves because they are premium members.

[Saberian 3000]

To be honest I dont see a problem with Gr coming out with a premium service.  The one thing I can say is that Scott has done us all a service by making GR.  The only real gripe's I have about it is that when you sign up for premium service you can be positioned in the are's with the rest of you're clan members that do not have the service.  I know that a lot of the clans would like to keep their people all in one place to show their clan availability much easier.  It sounds like a small issue but I do prefer all my members in the clan to be in one location on the chat board.  Another that was a problem for me was the ID#'s, but that was recently fixed by Scott so in the end I can't say anymore on that problem.  
     So in the end I do believe that GR and Scott Kevill has the right to do this.  actually he should have done it a long time ago because he deserves to make something off of his own creation with GR.  Yes, there are people out there that are butt-hurt about the whole thing, but in reality nothing other then what was mentioned above is changed, just the additional service.  So if ya want it, get it.  If not, don't bitch about it.  It's not like anyone has really lost anyhthing in Game Ranger.