New Rules - still a "mass"

[Flies]

 

[*DAMN Mauti]

Flies that must be a misunderstanding because I never said something about resetting points. This was never my intention.Playoffs with a skillpoint reset would require to change the script and for this the time was always to short.

Well if there is a difference of 200points between first and sixth: You only have to win 3times and the top clan has to be beaten twice and it is even. Also you can't do a rematch immediatley -> you have to play at least 3 cbs against different clans so your chance that you meet the number one is very high(this will be introduced in the 4th season for the main season as well). Also you can battle each clan three times again. At all the skillpoint system is set up in a way that you can catch the number one at any time(contrary to a "mass" system) but if the #1 doesn't play because they haven't the right players on it won't work as it is supposed.

Yes, you still have the lead you earned in the main season but general there isn't anything wrong at it and as posted above you can catch the #1 at any time as long as they play. About DEA they have class or otherwise they wouldn't have a 21-3record. Yes they played a mass of cbs but only some losses and you are out of the Top 5.

You always claim that it is a mass instead of class system. Because of the points above it isn't and the best example was KOS last season. They started very late and nevertheless became number one with much less cbs than the other Top3 clans. Here was the problem that many claimed they cheated.

As a consequence I splitted the season so you have to start earlier cbing to reach the top6(as a side effect hopefully more clans will cb especially next season). Furthers #1 clans can't cheat in the finals by playing weak clans over and over .

Bye,

Mauti

[l ! l Dutchman]

First of all, congrats to Mauti (and the others?) for trying to make a rule to prevent 'tactic' use of the skill-point-system. I think it will also motivate clans to cb more, in order to get in the top 6.

I do agree with Flies that resetting the score could be more 'fun' for the nrs 4,5 and 6 (so they don't have to catch up 200 points first).

I really hope that ALL 6 clans will cb eachother THREE times in the finals. It would be so easy for the nr.1 (with 200 points ahead) to say: "look, i haven't the right players online at the moment" or "we have a lot of homework these 14 days" and win the ladder without 1 single fight in the finals.

This new rule asks for some true 'fairplay' from all the clans. Let's show this BattleLeague we can.

Regards,
Dutchman / Virus

[*DAMN Mauti]

Indeed it would be more fun for the lower ranked clans not to be 200points behind but the skillpoint system indicates how good a clan is. DEA faced 16different clans in 25 cbs and only lost to Virus and AgT. I think they deserve the first place at the moment. Virus although you are 7 wins behind you could become the number #1 with only one win.

Now tell my again this is a mass system - I think it is more a class system because as higher you are ranked as more difficult is it to hold the current position. Also you also get less points.

At all I think playoffs like you have in the NBA aren't necessary and also would complicate everything(sheduling cbs). You just have to play some cbs against higher ranked clans.

The system works excellent as long no one refuses cbs. Of course you have to cb. but you can never get away that much only because of a mass of won cbs. You need skills and class to hold a top position.

Greetz,

Mauti

[*DAMN Mauti]

Well Flies but happens if in the finals a clan plays  again more cbs!? Then we have the same situation, or!? Of course the start chances are for all clans even. And honestly I could imagine that it would be fun(I thought about this a long time ago). However as I stated above the time was always to short to change the script and so it was never my intention to make such a rule for this season. The current script has more than 10.000 lines of code and finals with a reset would be a major change.

Btw in our BL history the number one clan never refused a cb contrary they always invited more clans to cb, especially KoS and AK.

DEA will fight you again. At all the BL should be fun and everybody should calm down and play again.

Bye,

Mauti

[*DAMN Mauti]

Hehe I admit, it was difficult to understand: what I wanted to say is that it is still possible and very probably that a clan plays more cbs than other clans do even in the finals.

Well about the rematch rule if(!) it comes at all it will be of course a modified version of the final rematch rule. Preventing that you play the same clan 4times in a row.

About pencil and a sheet of paper - hehe no this would screw all other script improvements we are working on. For this season the rules will stay as they are. The only thing I'll have to add is that you have to play without kit resistrictions.

Bye,

Mauti
ps: I hope you'll play DEA soon. Btw if we would reset the points most fun thing that could happen is that the 6th ranked clan wins the ladder hehe. However I'll meet Elandrion soon so I'll can speak with him about this.

[†FiRE Infection]

I do like the idea of reseting the rules at the end of a bl, but then what does the number 1 clan get for working so hard all season?  If the number 1 clan and number 6 clan both have 0 points, they are equal, the number 1 clan gains nothing for working so hard all season.  Now if this were set up as playoffs and the number 1 clan got to play the number 6 clan the number 1 clan would be gaining an advantage from working so hard all season.

[[DEA] Spike]

You'll have to excuse my newness to the forum and of course the newness of the clan which probably led to a bunch of the complaints being voiced here.

I'll echo the thoughts of Infection here. There's a reason DEA enjoys its current high standing. We've fought more cb's against more opponents than any other clan on the ladder.  To me a point reset system only encourages me to get off my ass ~March 10 and have a couple of fights, get into the top six and then go ape for 2 weeks in the finals. Case and point for this strategy, +MOD+ beats us once and now they find themselves in 6 place, a finals spot with only 1/25 of the effort our clan has put in. This doens't seem like  a strategy condusive to fostering regular and consistent matchups between clans.

To answer Flies complaint that a 14 day point reset system would balance out the mass vs class squads, Virus has feilded teams for 17 matchups in a 55 day period. This doesn't exactly demonstrate the kind of effort neccessary to saturate the 15 possible matchups in the 14 day finals. DEA who have put in 29 appearances look far more likely to complete all 15. Shortening the competition timespan doesnt seem likely to alleviate your complaints, putting effort into finding more opponents might. Virus is a good clan, if you want to beat us in score before the finals then arrange more cb's. There are plenty of clans left for you to compete and i'm sure many are willing to go head to head with you. Two or three more wins and you will beat us in the points despite DEA still having a 5-6 win advantage over V.

"I am impressed by your confident in DEA. Due to reality I somehow lost my confidence along the way. Reality Mauti is (sigh) that I havent been able to get a cb with them for long time now. And you cant blame me for fearing this somehow paints a dark picture of how clans will DEAl with the final."

If we ease up on the FUD that surrounds DEA's supposed reluctance towards our 3rd matchup I think it's fairly clear that the organisational and communications problems on boths sides have resulted in several aborted attempts to have a match. Virus is the one of the only European clans we fight and the timezone/ lag problems this entails creates more complications for both sides.  I know most of the board is eager to see this game, as are we. DEA has no intention of shirking away from a final game. Flies in your constant demands for another match, perhaps you've lost sight of the end date for the regular season.  Virus is the only clan to have delt us any kind of consistent defeat and perhaps a plan to spend some some of the remaining season training ourselves instead of running blindly into another matchup when you demand one might be wise. I would hope Flies that you would cease your complaints until the season is over and we have either cb'd you again, or shirked and given you some facts to complain about.

Later, and thnx mauti for the great work with the ladder

[*DAMN Mauti]

Well to play only 7cbs in 55 days is also no classy achievement. Reality check, as you call it, if there is no will to win a league you won't win it. Look at MP5 in the RS ladder they joined 10 days ago and are already at rank 4 because they want to win.

In GR:  #1 and #2 shows very clear that in our skillpoint system class equals mass. Although you have almost only the half of cbs played DEA played, one game between you can decide!

Bye,

Mauti
ps a point reset wouldn't change anything yet because obviously clan #3 - #6 are unable or not willing to play more cbs. But the clans that want to win it(Virus and DEA) are still close togehter independent from the mass of played cbs so your complain isn't really valid contrary it shows that the system works. - Nevertheless a point reset could make the finals more exciting and we will see how far we get the script in *DAMNs anniversary season.

[[DEA] Spike]

Well said Mauti. Flies you math disproves your own point.

Let me make it clear once and for all. One of DEA's main missions from the outset was to cb. We're all about cb'ing and we're not going to cut our gaming activities bc some clans feel that 6 or 7 matches in a season is enough. If that forces you to play a larger amout of cb's than you normally feel comfortable with, so be it. At least it makes the Battle league a more active and interesting place.

[[DEA] Spike]

No draw. We can both win here.  

I really don't have a problem with a point reset system as long as it acknowledges the effort a clan puts in during the regular season. If we could run the league finals in elimination style as infection suggested then that would be all cool (1st placed reg season team vs 6, 2-5,3-4) and work up to a final best of three match between the last two teams that would be great.

I have problems with simple point resets. IMHO it goes against the point of this ladder bc it encourages less cb's and less competition all around. I dont think the desire for many cb's in clans like DEA is neccessarily incompatible with clans who cannot or do not want that many matches. All there needs to be is some incentive for us to play more than the bare minimum the first 75 days.

Put my vote in for the Major League sports structure finals...

Oh and flies, check the DEA discussion page. I've just posted a suggested time for us to cb. Hopefully you'll get confirmation of this in the next day.

[BTs_eight]

"I really don't have a problem with a point reset system as long as it acknowledges the effort a clan puts in during the regular season. "


Kind of like acknowledgement were getting right now? 38 cbs and we're just a bunch of noobs who play just the easy clans huh?

[c| Splinter]

So here is my proposal for how the finals should work.  Keep the system for the regular season in place.  Its fun, everyone gets to beat up on each other alot and have lots of fun, Now with limiting the top 6 clans for the finals, it gives new incentive to battle more, and get up there in points.

For the finals, i think a bracket system would work really well here, and the points you have going into the finals determines your seeding, which in turn determines who you would battle.  i.e.  Highest ranking teams battles lowest ranking team.  So round 1 would be #1 vs #6, #2 vs #5, and #3 vs #4.  Then depending on who is left after this round, the next round would continue in the same way, higher ranking seed vs lower ranking seed.  Kinda how the playoffs work for the NFL.  In total there would be 3 rounds, and 2 teams would be eliminated in rounds 1 and 2, leaving the final 2 teams for round 3.  It would keep the "mass" for the regular season, and make the finals a "class" system.  In my opinion it would bring out who is the best clan in the end.

just my thoughts.

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lol, as I actually read through the posts now, I see that spike suggusted the same exact thing.  Good Job Spike, I second that opinion!

[[DEA] fire::fly]

i like spikes, and splinte'rs idea.  makes u want to stay active to get into the finals, and makes you want to practice and be the best to win the whole enchilada

best of both worlds.

And it also puts way more excitment and pressure on those final few games.  When you only have 1 chance to win or lose, it makes for some good stuff.  There may not be as many games in those last 2 weeks, but it will give the clans a chance to prepare for their upcoming matches, and will build the level of anticapation for each upcoming match.

[MAD PaYnE]

I side with mauti no matter wut! hehehehehhhehehe

and i do think [DEA] get far because they pound on newb clans! (Like us)!        


                    -[MaD] PaYNe.cb

[Saberian 3000]

I think that Flies is mainly right about all the scores resetting to a point.  Although I agree as well by saying that the top teams should be allowed by rank in the games to be given a bonus for their standing on the BL.  It should start out with the top clan getting 60pts to start for being #1.  The second clan getting 50pts to start and so on down.  That would make it a little more interesting I think.  It would allow the last palce members to have a chance while still giving the ranking teams a slight benefit.  Anyway, It's just a thought =)

                       +MOD+Saberian.CBl