9/11 Attacks funny? Few thousand dead hilarious?

[abe the ass]

I agree, nipponese, nippons or japs are racial slurs and theres no need for them. but it does give you a good idea of what the mentality was in the US. first off the attacked us, we knew about some of the stuff happening in china and to US, british and australian POWs and on top of that we had just had our worst suspicions about hitler confirmed when we discoverd the extent of the holocost. the assumption does the "nippons" were doing the same or possibly worse to the chinese. we had dehumanized the enemy to such an extent that it didnt matter whether we unleashed our new doomsday device on them. am not saying this was right, i am just saying thats the way ppl thought. and surrender is somthing that nobody expected from the japanese without the doomsday threat. the best would probably have been to scare the shit out of them by dropping "fat man" on mount fuji and "little boy" on the emperor's palace.

as to your definition of terrorism, the one i learned was somthing like this: "spectacular acts of violence meant to capture public attention". now, you could say that using the a-bomb fits this description, but i think thats somwhat far-fetched personally.

umm, my insulting u was probably a little exessive, bondo and i apologize. youre definately much less of a dumbass than i tought, but you ARE obviously a drama-queen. youre arguments have gotten a lot better, so i guess the criticism was constructive. kudos and again sorry bout the dissage. kinda feel like an ass now.

[The Ghost of Bondo]

You can take the dick out of the ass but you can't take the drama out of the bi  

Oh and Bucc, I happen to have a Webster's II New College Dictionary.  According to the cover it's been updated for the 21st Century  

Anyway, my point about the atom bombs is that they could have been dropped not on a city but over water perhaps or over land that was less populated to give a less lethal example.  Then pehaps use the second in a more devestating manner.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Abe, first someone needs to show me where Nippon isn't a proper name for Japan.  Japs and Nips are slang.  Japaneese and Nipponese are not, and not meant to be.  Slope, gook, and those are slurs.  The first time I read Nippon and Nipponese was in the biogrophy of Japan's most famous pilot.  So until you show me I'm wrong, back off with accusing me of racial slurs.

Second, we knew about what the Nipponese were doing in China long before we knew about the concentration camps in Germany (or at least pubically).  Both the USA and UK (and Aussies, and Canooks) had forces in China.  I don't think those films they showed of tossing up children and catching them on bayonetts were special effects either.  And I'm not even judging the actions, just pointing out that these things did happen.  


Bondo, I really don't want to think about you with a dick in your ass, please don't use that image anymore.

Throw it out Bondo, it's a piece of shit.  Grab an Oxford.  Updated shit is still updated shit.  You can't honestly tell me you think that was a good definition of terrorism you found in it, can you?

As for a demonstration over water, that was discussed (more or less, it was discussed to just test a demonstration of them for all to see).  It was decided that 1) they didn't want to risk it not going boom in front of them because that would be worse and 2) it still wouldn't convince them.  

You can play monday morning quarterback with the dropping of the A bombs all you want.  My bottom line there is that it was a tough call, and I don't think they could have done it much better under the circumstances they had.  But by no stretch could I consider that terrorism, or, how did you put it, "the biggest single terrorist act ever".

[Mr. Lothario]

I agree, nipponese, nippons or japs are racial slurs and theres no need for them.

     In the Japanese language, the word for Japan is "Nippon". The word Nipponese is an anglicization, but that does not make it a slur. It is not common, but again, that does not make it a slur. It has the same meaning as "Japanese," so once again, it's not a slur.

[(ex-Dr.) Bigfoot]

Just want to jump in here with an opinion. I know I'll knock this discussion even further off track, but something needs to be corrected.

There are very few things in this world that I could be considered an expert on, but as a Japanese American you can consider this opinion canon:

"Japanese" OK
"Nipponese" OK
"Japs" Don't use this around any Japanese Americans unless you want your teeth knocked out. (God Bless America and our take no crap attitude!) This is a slur as much as the N* word is.
"Nips" Ditto.

Not to pick Buccanneer and no hard feelings against him. I actually agree with much of what he has said so far, but he is off base on the ethic thing. I'm frankly baffled that many people seem to now, magically think that "japs" and "nips" are acceptable terms.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Try reading it again then Bigfoot.

I'm not for Nips or Japs.  I didn't use those terms except to point out that they were slurs, not Nipponese or Nippon as I had used them.

Bondo and Abe accused me of using a slur when I used the term "Nipponese".  

So thanks to both you and Loth for adding to the correctness of that term for me.

[GOD]

Im sorry but this particular attack was one of hate.  They wanted to attack the americans just because they hate us, no other reason.  We didnt do that in www2 with Japan at all, we didnt just say, "Hey, I think i hate the Japanese, lets drop this huge bomb on em cause it will kill alot of em."  Every damn country was participating in "Strategic bombing,"everyone is guilty, BUT IM NO HAPPY ABOUT IT AND CERTAINLY NOT LAUGHING AT ANY COUNTRY'S MISFORTUNE DURING THAT TIME.  It's not a question of whos doing what and wheather or not its terrorism "ghost of bondo" but rather being so insensitvie at laughing at it.  You can say what ever you want in terms of free speach, but you are responsible for your words and actions.

Democracy owns!

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Bondo, I really don't want to think about you with a dick in your ass, please don't use that image anymore.

Throw it out Bondo, it's a piece of shit.  Grab an Oxford.  Updated shit is still updated shit.  You can't honestly tell me you think that was a good definition of terrorism you found in it, can you?

For the record, it is figirative speak...my girlfriend wouldn't like that happening any more than you do.  

I'll consider getting a new dictionary...not a high priority exactly although I agree it was a vague definition...that is why I made the light comment of you being a terrorist.  Terrorist has gone to the level where it no longer means one who terrorizes.  Terrorize still has a more open definition I think.

Anyway, sorry about my mistake about Nipponese...I thought you were mixing Nip and Japanese.  Now I've learned something new.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

For the record, it is figirative speak...my girlfriend wouldn't like that happening any more than you do.  

For the record, I know that.  I said I don't want to think about it, I could care less what you do.  I don't want to think what you will do with your girlfriend, once you actually meet her either.  It wasn't a gay reference, it was a YOU reference.

Anyway, sorry about my mistake about Nipponese...

Accepted.  And if you thought the definition was weak, you should never have used it.  Making light of it or not, you used a weak definition to defend an argument.  It still demonstrates what Loth and I were talking about.

[*DAMN Bander]

BlaBlaBla ...

Dead americans, dead jews, dead irakis, dead afghans. all the same shiat. dont count the number of the bodys but take a close look on whats going on around you.

For my taste: No innocent persons should be killed - no matter where they live or what fucker goverment they (americans / irakis. lol funny.) have.

those 2 idiots will be booted from my hosts, but they should not be banned - if we would ban every nationalistic, warmonging or respectless person, this forum and whole GR would be emty.

Freedom of speech, even when the spoken stuff is just bullshit!

Bander ~ (p.s.: i also agree basically 100% with Bondos 1st post on this issue)

[*DAMN Bander]

You can take the dick out of the ass but you can't take the drama out of the bi  

Oh and Bucc, I happen to have a Webster's II New College Dictionary.  According to the cover it's been updated for the 21st Century  

Anyway, my point about the atom bombs is that they could have been dropped not on a city but over water perhaps or over land that was less populated to give a less lethal example.  Then pehaps use the second in a more devestating manner.

word!!! (beside the fact that bombing two(!) big cities and killing EVERYONE being there for sure violated the geneva convention rules. thinking on nagasaki and hiroshima and hearing Bushaneer arguments and "it was all ok" ... **** ALL FOLOWING PERSONAL INSULTS DIRECTED TO BUSHANEER, DELETED BY BANDER HIMSELF AFTER HE RED HIS LAST POST (wich was not that stupid) ***

hell yeah: and i am damn proud on that long sentence in fucking english above, even if i cant compare my e-skillz to mr. bushaneer, the king of wisdom and justice. (hehehe! bondo - very cool avatar. tnx for "deine solidarit?t" mit meinem kleinen scheissland

exactly as osama could have sent his 3 planes into an emty  mall or something, just to show his "powers".

But Bushaneer once again uses 2 different kinds of logic. one for his homeland, and a different one for the rest of the world.  

Bander ~

[GOD]

I didnt start this to debate whether or not 911 is the same as bombing iraqis.  

\Bander the whole point is, I think it is despicaple to Make fun of any situation like 911 or bombing iraqi civilians.  Come on, if you got slaughtered by a suicide bomber, would you like someone laughing at your death.

[Cossack]

God, it may not have been meant to go this way, but it sure as hell did. Welcome to the *DAMN forums. It is despicable, but you cant really do anything to them. One of the things that makes this country so great is that you can say whatever the fuck you want (atleast right now).

[(Ex-Dr) Bigfoot]

Buc,

Perhaps you weren't being clear enough in your previous post. You wrote:

"Japs and Nips are slang.? Japaneese and Nipponese are not, and not meant to be.? Slope, gook, and those are slurs."

With these lines, you seem to be implying that Japs and Nips are not slurs, they are slang. Slang, I think everyone agrees, is not pejorative per se. I accept your explanation, but I think you might agree that you could have been easily misread here.

[Mr. Lothario]

word!!! (beside the fact that bombing two(!) big cities and killing EVERYONE being there for sure violated the geneva convention rules.

     It probably would have... except the Geneva Convention was created put into force following WWII. Using the nukes was not a war crime, and honestly, I doubt that it would be even under the Geneva Convention. America and Russia wouldn't have agreed to a treaty that deprived them of their biggest boomstick.

[GOD]

I sure as hell can try to do something, and if a large number of ppl block those 2, then mission accomplished.

I'll smite them

[|MP|Buccaneer]

a more devestating manner.

word!!! (beside the fact that bombing two(!) big cities and killing EVERYONE being there for sure violated the geneva convention rules. thinking on nagasaki and hiroshima and hearing Bushaneer arguments and "it was all ok" ... **** ALL FOLOWING PERSONAL INSULTS DIRECTED TO BUSHANEER, DELETED BY BANDER HIMSELF AFTER HE RED HIS LAST POST (wich was not that stupid) ***

Bander, knowing that your english isn't that good, I'll ask you to look at my posts again.  What I said was:

1) it wasn't a war crime or illegal at the time, because it wasn't.
2) in WW2 it was common for all sides to bomb / kill civilians (look at London, Stalingrad, China and Germany for just some examples).
3) being not a war crime or illegal, it was a war act, not an act of terrorism.  
4) if you look at estimates of how many people would have died on both sides if the bombs hadn't been dropped, they all point to more dead people (civilians and military).  
5) that the powers that were considered the plans that Bondo stated he thinks would be better (as we learned in history classes and by reading Oppi's autobiography in university).  
6) that it's easy to mondy morning quaterback and say what they could have done better, but they didn't have that luxary, since people were dieing everyday the war continued.
7) that those were not JUST civilian targets, but valid stratigic targets of the WW2 era.
that all nations involved comitted some war crimes in WW2.

Here's what I don't get.  People would rather that the US had done the normal carpet bombing of WW2, killing all those people and destroying all those cities with conventional bombs instead of A-Bombs.  As if A-bombs were the mark of the devil himself, and those people would be less dead if they had died under the explosion of thousands of bombs instead of two.

So Bander, if you get: "it's all ok" out of that, you are wrong.  What you should get is that it was not terrorism, and normal for that period of our world.

"Japs and Nips are slang.? Japaneese and Nipponese are not, and not meant to be.? Slope, gook, and those are slurs."

Bigfoot, right you are and my bad.  I called them slurs in a previous post, but called them slang that time for some reason.  It was just a mistake.  I was trying to defend myself after being accused of using the slur, (which I hadn't) and wasn't paying enough attention to how I said it.

[Casper]

Secondly, while there certainly were military oriented things, there were also better military targets that could have been picked...pehaps Kyoto (said to be the most strategic target but passed over because it was beautiful and should be saved).

All lot of Targets they had picked to bomb had bad weather and things that day like fog or something (not sure what) but, they choose Hyroshima and the other places as like a sorta last resort location. if thats all wrong sorry for this waste of a post