Open Letter to Posters

[Jeb]

bondo,
ace owns that computer if he doesn't want any ak playing on it then it is his decision, besides all i ever here from typhy is how much GHR sucks   so i don't see the big deal.

I admin that server also and i ban people who tk or spam, its for the good of all the people who love playing on it. <sarcasm>I guess that a server that hosts 36 people easly (usualy 15+ people playing) is a grave disservice to the community bondo , same for using bandwidth and time to host clan websites</sarcasm>.

I haven't been checking the forums lately but i haven't noticed a hostil environment like you claim. If your still mad about the whole iGirlfriend thing then sort that out privatly instead of making a flamewar against ace and bucc which will suposibly get them in some kind of trouble.  Who gives a shit, move on.

[The Ghost of Bondo]

A Macclans and GhR server that you boot people you don't like from.  Rapid, Typhy, and I are all banned from Macclans

D) tell us why you don't break this cycle, since it's your theory.

Uhh, if I'm not banned from Macclans then why can I not log into my account there?  Oh right, because I'm banned.  Nice try to lie.

As for why I don't try to "break this cycle".  Simple, I can't break it.  I post intelligent logical points and they still get attacked.  This isn't an isolated thing where if I do something then everything is made better.  Nothing I can do will change what you do Bucc, you are the one who needs to change for the cycle to be broken.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Uhh, if I'm not banned from Macclans then why can I not log into my account there?  Oh right, because I'm banned.  Nice try to lie.

Umm, because the old forums are long gone?  Because nobody can?  Take your pick.  I have the banned list up right in front of me and it has three IP's (or subnets) on it.  So unles you are on the exact same subnet as Rapid, or have moved to France or Germany (where I have a little hacker wannabe problem) then you are not banned.  

Nice try, but wrong again.


As for breaking the cycle, yes, you can.  Quit being the dumbass.  You said that we create you, that you then follow the cycle.  If it's a cycle, you can break it.

Thanks again for never answering any of my points.  (try it, you may break the cycle).

I'm going to give you another example of why you are more the root cause of the problems here Bondo.

Bander admits to his insulting ways.  Bander comes in and insults all Americans with his comments, starting up flame wars.  You defend him.  You make comments like "well, if you knew him like I knew him".  What is this?  You make exceptions for the people you like?  That are on your side??

Bondo, I attack all arguments I think are bullshit.  Including the ones posted by people I like (Cossack for example) and people on my side (Kilzo for example).  I have a style.  You don't like it.  Buy you have a style too, of playing the poor, wounded drama queen.  And of posting weaksause (credit to Abe) arguments with over generalizations.  And of being a hypocrite.  So, while I sit here, and point these things out, you just ignore them.  When I ask for a response to them, you continue to ignore them.  You know you are wrong.  Be a man, admit it and move on.  

If anything will break a cycle, that will.

[Mr. Lothario]

I post intelligent logical points and they still get attacked.

     I say unto thee, BULLSHIT. Intelligent is arguable. You are capable of thinking; you're not retarded. I consider you quite intelligent. But logical? "Log-i-cal: 1. Of, relating to, in accordance with the nature of logic. 3. Reasoning or capable of reasoning in a clear and consistent manner." "Log-ic: 1. The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning." You present arguments without evidence; present opinions as facts; present emotion as reason. You flagrantly and frequently employ logical fallacies in your arguments. You ignore the content of arguments which show your arguments to be flawed; instead of refining your statements, you attack the poster, their grammar, or you simply whine about the abuse you're suffering.

     Your opinions may be perfectly valid, or they may not. That is entirely beside the point. If you supported your opinions with facts and reasoning instead of simply vomiting them forth, then you would be making a contribution to the discussion at hand. In reality, virtually every post I've ever seen you make in any "serious" thread consists of something along the lines of, "You are wrong! You are wrong! I am right! You are wrong! I think that X course of action would be best in the situation at hand, and I don't need to prove that, because I am right!" Since you've long since stopped reading this post because I'm telling the unvarnished truth, I'd like to take this opportunity to say zucchini popsicle bikini wax. Then someone disagrees with you, and you start in with the, "Wah! Wah! I am right! How could you be so stupid, insensitive and American as to disagree with me! Wah! It's a conspiracy! Wah! I make posts just as well as you guys do, but you alllllll hate me! Wah!"

     You lack rigor. Try supporting your arguments once (with facts and reason, that is, not with "I think it is so, thus it is so") and see what happens. Until you try that experiment, you cannot make any factual statements about why you are being picked on.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

I would like to offically welcom Mr Lothario to the Loyal Order of Assing and the Inner Forum Circle.  Now pass the zucchini popsicle and the bikini wax  

[Typhy]

ace owns that computer if he doesn't want any ak playing on it then it is his decision, besides all i ever here from typhy is how much GHR sucks

Jeb, I play GHR from time to time, I don't like it very much, but when I don't feel like restarting to OS9, and don't feel like playing MOH, SOF2 or RTCW, then I play some GHR. Sure it's his server, he's a dumbass for banning people who he's never spoken to, but it's still his choice. However, how can you call something a 'service to the community' when they ban everyone that they don't like?

[Typhy]

Ok, here we go with a little more time:

As for breaking the cycle, yes, you can.? Quit being the dumbass.? You said that we create you, that you then follow the cycle.? If it's a cycle, you can break it.

Either I don't understand this, or you don't understand what Bondo's been saying for the past 24 hours. For starters, as not to sound to dumb with these comments, seeing as I'm not 100% sure of the meaning of your comment, Here's what I think it is: You don't like being considered a dumbass? Then become an ass, follow the cycle, 'create' dumbasses out of us. Am I correct? If not, ignore what I say in the remainder of this paragraph, and explain what the hell you do mean. Bondo has clearly stated that he doesn't like the "art of assing". Why would he want to become one in response to you guys? I bring back the common 'parent ( or teacher ) to child phrase; "Treat others as you want to be treated". Bondo does that, he makes his posts in a respectful matter. He's there for the argument, not to make personal attacks.

 

 When I ask for a response to them, you continue to ignore them.? You know you are wrong.? Be a man, admit it and move on.?

I'll agree with you in a certian sence here, Bucc. The way Bondo argues, he only response to things that he knows he can have an effective argument against. But, let me say this, he's not the only one. I watch Assassin argue, he'll never accept when the oposing side of the argument has a good point, he'll simply ignore it and focus on anything the he feels he can argue against. Then there's Ace, who takes it to an extreme in the other direction. Wombat's reason for not liking Ace is much the same as mine for not liking his posts; "he argues with facts". Ace doesn't just focus on what part of the argument he thinks he can win, he focus' on the whole thing, and argues against anything, he'll never accept when the other side has a point, and will rarely just ignore it.

PPS - I still want to hear how Bucc and I are such dicks and only care about the "inner circle" for hosting Macclans and a GhR server respectively

As I adressed earlier. . . You're not doing a service to the community, you're doing a service to a selective group of your friends. Unban me and any others who you have ban for no reason, and I will accept it, and agree that you're doing a service for the community.

Back to something that Bondo brough up earlier that I would like to comment on. Rapid is a perfect example of a 'created dumbass'. Rapid and I have our disagreements, our arguments, etc. But we always drop it after a while. You guys won't let anything go. I did a test a few weeks back, to see just how much stuff people would say against Rapid when he wasn't on GameRanger, and hadn't been on recently. I have my screen shots to apear on my desktop in OSX, after 3 days of that, the screen shots were stacking on top of eachother, because there was no more room. I took them and counted them up. 94 screen shots. . . Pretty sad, that's an average of 31 1/3 per day. These aren't just little comments, these are anytime that someone changes their name to an anti Rapid name, or when multiple people start having an anti Rapid convorsation in the main chat. I'm usually on about 2 hours per day, so, if you figure that, you guys average 15 1/3 anti Rapid comments per hour. . .   - That's 1 every 4 minutes.

I'll add more to this post, as well as edit it after class.

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[The Ghost of Bondo]

Bucc and Ace, if running MacClans and the GhR server respectively is a sign of you being good, then I might as well ask...which has been more important to the community...those, or the DAMN Battle League.  I am positive it is the latter.  A Battle League which I suggested to Mauti and I drew up the original rules to, and which I, a year or so later, helped recreate into a more competitive form.  If service to the community forgives problems, then I guess I've got my get out of jail free card for life.

Also, I just want to state something.  Until my second semester of 8th grade had only gotten straight As.  From then on through High School I had a 3.7 GPA, I have a 3.7 GPA through 58 credits in college.  I got a 1350 PSAT a 29 ACT, and score between 135-140 on real IQ tests.  In all the years, many my teachers have made a point of telling me how much they enjoy having me in class and that I'm one of their best and brightest students.  And guess what,  a big part of my education involves making arguments.  If I was a dumbass who couldn't make arguments like you claim I am, would I have these high marks to show for it?  No.  Sorry, but I think I'll take the hundreds of proofs in grades, teachers, and peers outside this forum as more reliable than a few people on this one.  I think I'll take the opinion especially of licensed teachers and PhDs then a teens and twenty-somethings.  Dumbass?  I think not.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

I think I'll take the opinion especially of licensed teachers and PhDs then a teens and twenty-somethings.  Dumbass?  I think not.

LMAO Bondo, do you think you are special?  Do you think you are the only one to get straight A's?  Do you think you are better then us with a 3.7 GPA half way through college?  I graduated with a higher GPA then that.  I got an academic scholarship.  I was in the honor college.  Hell, I carried a 3.8 for my MASTERS degree.  I also out scored you on the ACT and IQ tests.  So what.  Yippy Fucking Deal.  I know guys with PhD's that are dumbasses (being an expert in something doesn't make you automatically not a dumbass).  I'll take the opinion of PhD's that are my peers, certified professionals that I work with.  Oh, and I'm not a "twenty-something".  

I don't claim any status at all from MacClans.  It's just something I do.  I was only correcting your mistakes in the comments you made about it.  Jeb, who made the comment, was remarking about the time, money and effort we continue to put in though, not a suggestion we made years ago.

And, no matter what you say, you still haven't even tried to disprove any of my points.  You just keep on your rant.  Come on Bondo, try to disprove my arguments.  This is another request for you to drop the theatrics and talk about some issues Bondo.  Can't you manage to do that??

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Either I don't understand this, or you don't understand what Bondo's been saying for the past 24 hours.  If not, ignore what I say in the remainder of this paragraph, and explain what the hell you do mean.

You are right, you didn't get it, so I'll try to be more clear.  Bondo argued that it was a cycle.  That once they were anointed a "dubmass" they perpetuated the cycle by living up to it.  In other words, after being called a dumbass, they acted like them.  That is the cycle.  Cycle being something that goes round and round, not just a one time cause and effect.  I'm not trying to talk down to you, just trying to be clear, so please don't take it that way.

Now, if it is a cycle, like any cycle, it can be broken.  And he has the power to break it by not acting the part of the dumbass.  Get it?  If he didn't act like the dumbass, he wouldn't be called the dumbass, and the cycle is then broken.

Bondo does that, he makes his posts in a respectful matter. He's there for the argument, not to make personal attacks.

Bullshit.  Bondo has made plenty of personal attacks, and not just on me.  I've even quoted them for him.  He just ignores that fact.  It's why I call him (rightfully so) a hypocrite.

I'll agree with you in a certian sence here, Bucc. The way Bondo argues, he only response to things that he knows he can have an effective argument against. But, let me say this, he's not the only one.

Being wrong in company is still being wrong.  I don't happen to agree with your examples, but it doesn't matter right now.  The point is, you see what I'm takling about.

As I adressed earlier. . . You're not doing a service to the community, you're doing a service to a selective group of your friends. Unban me and any others who you have ban for no reason, and I will accept it, and agree that you're doing a service for the community.

No Typhy, there is a reason.  You just don't agree with the reason.  

For example, I host quite a few clans.  There are a couple clans I host with people I really don't like.  But I host them.  Deadeye didn't host AK for a couple reasons.  Rapid didn't care and went on his rant blaming me and everything under the sun, but Deadeye still had his reasons in the first place.

Now, there is a boycott AK theme that I actually started right in these forums.  For a reason.  Because I see that 90% of the problems that go on seem to have AK involved in one way or another.  People are always complaining about problems with CB'ing AK.  So, I said that they should either suck it up, knowing your reputation, or avoid the situation.  So, that's the path Ace has chosen (and Jeb, the first to Boycott AK, long before I ever mentioned it).  He has chosen to just keep your clan out of it.  It's not like Rapid hasn't come on and TK'd before this decision.  And we've all read the AK web site, where he used to encourage the clan to TK clans that he doesn't like.  So, him being the leader of your clan, and you freely choosing to follow that clan and leader, why shouldn't you (along with the rest of your clan) be banned?

Back to something that Bondo brough up earlier that I would like to comment on. Rapid is a perfect example of a 'created dumbass'.

Here's why I disagree with you.  Rapid went on his rants about me and MacClans before I ever talked to him.  I told him Deadeye's reasons and he got on his rant that I (not Deadeye, but me) was holding a grudge.  Now, no matter what I tried to say to him, or reason with him, he didn't want to.  He seems to be much happier with his version of the story then working anything out.  Later, he crossed some lines that he isn't going to make it back from, but that isn't why he's a dumbass.  He's a dumbass because he doesn't know how to actually listen to anyone that disagrees with him.  He's a dumbass because everytime he comes back here, he stirs up shit in his posts.  Sure, people hate him and talk about him.  So what.  He brings that upon himself.  He's been caught in many lies.  Or do you think he is justified in what he's done in regards to me?  That he tried to talk and work things out?  I'm not going to defend anyone else and why they think Rapid is a dumbass, but I'll speak to my own case.  So, Typhy, do you think Rapid was right?  Or did he earn it?

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Your points are the same things I've replied to many times.  But I'll touch on a few to make you happy.

First off, good job on having better scores than me.  I wasn't saying I was smarter than you or anyone here, just that I'm no dumbass.

You say I'm a hypocrite for telling you not to insult people.  Calling you uncivil or an ass isn't an insult, it is saying the truth...you even accept those terms.  I'll stop calling you an asshole when you stop being an asshole.  (And I suppose you'll reply that you'll stop calling me a dumbass when I stop being a dumbass...but I've never been a dumbass other than in your mind).

Hmm, you say I'm not banned from MacClans...but at some point in the past 6 months I was.  I don't know if you unbanned me, but I was informed of being banned.

You talk about me being able to break the cycle...you never seem to read my reply to this.  Regardless of how well formed my arguments are, you will break them apart like you always do and call me a dumbass.  I've seen it done.  Just because you can break my argument apart and use your own opinions to say mine are wrong, not facts.  That is the big thing.  I spend 10 minutes on the forums a few times a day, I don't have the time nor desire to spend an hour researching every point in every post I make to see that you can't say anything about it.  Neither do most people.  If I was like you, I could pick apart anybody's post and make it look weak too.  Don't you see that the weakness of a post is only an illusion.

Also, for me it has nothing to do with which side of the argument that you are on.  I don't treat one side different from the other.  Like I said about Zait, I take the point as a whole rather than taking it apart to see if there are any elements that aren't strong.  I do the same with opposing viewpoints, I take the overall point.

[Typhy]

Bah, just wrote this out a few minutes ago, hit preview, and then accidently quit out.

Ok, here we go. . . Again.

No Typhy, there is a reason.? You just don't agree with the reason.?

Well, judging from what you say, the "reason" you have me ban because you don't like Rapid. So do you have AngryDad, Eric, Monk, and Skunkney ban? They're AK, so they're associated with Rapid who you don't like. . . Or is there more to it? Is it because I'm the PR guy, so I have to take the beating?

Now, there is a boycott AK theme

Hmm, that doesn't seem to be affecting us much. . . Last time I checked ( About 30 seconds ago ), we're in first place, and hold the longest winning streak in the history of the *DAMN Battle League. . . So far all I've seen the "boycott" thing be used as is an excuse not to CB us; *NADS told me they were CBing us, then Justin logs on, and we have a great CB. It's just used as another excuse, right up there with "Same reason no1 else will cb u, ur 2 freaking good!!!!!!!!"

You show your lack of knowledge on this issue when you say that Jeb was the first one to boycott us, the IAM clan was the first ones, because "Typhy's host is 2 tin cans and some string", after we beat them 6-1 in a 5v5 earlier. The 1 reason why clans want to 'boycott' AK is because they don't want to go through the embassasment of losing. - They'll say "we just don't like you, so we don't want to CB you", well, if you don't like us, why don't you come beat us? Oh yeah, you know that you can't beat us.

The origonal reason that the (unt clan wouldn't CB us is because aparently we used aimbots and armor mods in the CB, kinda odd how they seem to think that they know better than I would, since I was there, and hosting.

More later.

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[Mr. Lothario]

     Way to play to type, Bondo. Bucc responded to your "arguments," and you ignored every word he said.

I also out scored you on the ACT and IQ tests.  So what.  Yippy Fucking Deal.  I know guys with PhD's that are dumbasses (being an expert in something doesn't make you automatically not a dumbass).

First off, good job on having better scores than me.  I wasn't saying I was smarter than you or anyone here, just that I'm no dumbass.

If he didn't act like the dumbass, he wouldn't be called the dumbass, and the cycle is then broken.

(And I suppose you'll reply that you'll stop calling me a dumbass when I stop being a dumbass...but I've never been a dumbass other than in your mind).

you never seem to read my reply to this.

     Hey, the pot's calling the kettle black!

If I was like you, I could pick apart anybody's post and make it look weak too.

     So do it. That takes rhetorical skill, something you've so far shown to be markedly lacking in. I would enjoy seeing it.

Don't you see that the weakness of a post is only an illusion.

     Subjectivity? There-are-no-standards-so-anything-is-acceptable? Please. I said before, and I'll repeat it here because I know you didn't read it, the "A" posters expect rigor and care in arguments. You employ neither. Therefore, your arguments are weak. Therefore, they are demolished handily. Therefore, you complain.

Also, for me it has nothing to do with which side of the argument that you are on.  I don't treat one side different from the other.

     Once again, I call bullshit on you. I've seen you, within the past few days, delightedly agree with the most careless arguments if they aligned with your views, and make personal attacks against the posters of arguments that did not.

[Mr. Lothario]

It's just used as another excuse, right up there with "Same reason no1 else will cb u, ur 2 freaking good!!!!!!!!"

     Yadda yadda yadda. This argument has been started and beaten to death in many a thread. The short version: it seems like only AK and rank noobs think that AK is "2 freaking good!!!!!!!!". ::shrug:: If you want to think that, that's your prerogative, but it is fallacious to assume that everyone is avoiding your clan because you're legends in your own minds.

The origonal reason that the (unt clan wouldn't CB us is because aparently we used aimbots and armor mods in the CB, kinda odd how they seem to think that they know better than I would, since I was there, and hosting.

     Given your longtime position as AK's mouthpiece, do you honestly think that your word holds any water at all? I enjoy talking with you, but if you told me the sky was blue, I wouldn't agree until I'd gone and looked for myself.

[Mr. Lothario]

     OMG OMG OMG! Bondo, look look! Bucc is demolishing someone else's argument just like he does yours! Wow, maybe your conspiracy theory is just a LOAD OF CRAP!

face the reality..........the UN is an organisation payed by the US and EU

I thought the US was way behind in it's dues to the UN?  Did we pay up and I missed it??

need i say more?

Hell yes, because you haven't backed anything you said so far.

nothing can stop the irak-war, except the US-nation would be against the war

No, Iraq can stop the war by doing what it agreed to do as well.

.....but they can't make their own opinion because of CNN and junior.....

Oh, and you can make your own opinions, but we can't.  I see.  Thank you for opening my eyes to the brainwashing that has been done to me with your fine examples.  Bullshit.  I'm sick and fucking tired of Europeans telling me I'm brainwashed just because I don't agree with them.  I'm sick and fucking tired of Europeans accusing me of just getting my information from Bush, CNN or other biased media.  I can read (and do) news from all over.  It doesn't mean I have to agree with you.  By using those stereotypes you are just proving yourself to be as dumb as the stereotypes you are mocking.

[Jeb]

Typhy,
i'm not sure how going from bondo and bucc talking about inteligence to your attempt to create even more of a pissing match started but... The reason cunt or many other clans have boycotted you is because it takes all the whining, bitching, and problems from gaming. I've been happy having both you and rapid on ignore on gameranger, and ignoring your in any other way i can. I'm sure your happy not having to deal with me aswell.

Ace has seen all the flamewars, and problems with your name on it, so why wouldn't he want to protect himself and the people who play on his server? Rapid comes onto ace's server (and loths) and tks the shit out of everyone. Oh and he has been online under his fake name "9mm" and "smiff & wesson" which he uses to further upset the users of ace's kickass server. Btw, you can read the full story (which i'm to lazy to type at http://ak.macclans.com )

As for bondo, you are smart, but your one arogant mother fucker. I remember a few months back when you were saying how Evill would never ban you because the GR community would be so outraged that you got banned that everyone would quit using GR. Well you got banned for a month and then what? No one gave a shit. All your arguements are "i'm right your wrong" bondo. If you weren't so emotional maybe you could defend yourself against bucc.

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Jeb, I was only banned for 1 week.  And I never said what you claim me to have said...you misquote.

Loth, I never said Bucc only did this to me, I think right from the start I said he does it to a number of people.

As for me being a pot calling the kettle black saying Bucc never seems to see my replies...I'm pretty sure Bucc is the one who constantly insults me for not reading his, so perhaps he is the pot.  I've never claimed to read everything Bucc posts in every thread.

As for the A poster thing, that is subjective...you apparently think they are weak because perhaps you have a different opinion about some of my premises.  But like I said, any subjective argument can be seen as weak if having a different opinion negates the first opinion.

[Jeb]

no bondo, i didn't misquote you,
you went into a whole big rant about how evill is scared to ban you since you are good friends with mauti. And how everyone would rally for your cause if  you got banned.  But you were wrong in both cases

[The Ghost of Bondo]

But you did misquote me.  I never said everyone would quit GR.  I did say there would be outrage...and there was.

[Typhy]

 After reading Lothario's well thought out and intelligent posts, your's seem even dumber than usual, Jeb.

I'm sure your happy not having to deal with me aswell

I am indeed enjoying not having to deal with you, and being able to consider your comments irrevelant because you won't accept hearing mine. The only reason I don't have you on ignore is because I wouldn't want to miss something as funny as your sex talk with Rabid.

About the subject of Ace's server, I've played on that from time to time, it pays off to have multiple accounts all with different names. It's pretty good, lags not bad, I ping it right about 250. But, it's a newbie magnet. Half the people there can't even tell the teams apart. In regards to Rapid "coming onto Ace's server to TK", if Rapid was 9mm, then why did he TK me 4 times? He knows of the alias that I was using, why would he TK me?

?  Yadda yadda yadda. This argument has been started and beaten to death in many a thread. The short version: it seems like only AK and rank noobs think that AK is "2 freaking good!!!!!!!!". ::shrug:: If you want to think that, that's your prerogative, but it is fallacious to assume that everyone is avoiding your clan because you're legends in your own minds.

Loth, I don't even remember who said that, although I'm pretty sure that it was some newbie. Are top clans afraid of us? Hell no. FiRE doesn't back down, RnT doesn't back down, KoS doesn't back down, and AgT doesn't back down. That was just the first turn down quote that came to my mind when I was writing out that post.

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I'll edit this when I have time, I'm  about to get in trouble for threatning to throw my sister off of the roof.