Open Letter to Posters

[The Ghost of Bondo]

In my past efforts to get this point across, I've fogotten one thing, most of you can't really understand.  You haven't been on this side.  So to help detail this, let me give a basic picture of the whole ass/dumbass thing.

It started back nearly two years ago with Ace and Grifter as the two "Asses".  Like superheroes need villians, so asses need dumbasses, so they created them.  And yes, I mean created.

The first notable dumbass was Romulus.  I wasn't around much back then so I can't say exacly how it progressed, but I can assume it happened much like the later ones happened and the asses decided he was going to be a dumbass based on a few posts that they thought were stupid.  So from that point on they made a point of mocking him any chance they had.

Being in this position I know exactly how Zait and Bander feel, and now I'll give a deeper reasoning to why dumbasses are created as a perception rather than a reality.  I've known Bander for nearly three years.  Longer than any of the asses, that's for damned sure.  I know that the Bander that has posted recently and been so greatly mocked isn't how he really is.  But this is why his posts are as they are.  Once you have been labeled a dumbass and any point you make is sure to be ridiculed, it is hard to see the point of putting effort into a calm well thought out post and much easier just to be dramatic and yell.  In this way it is a negative reinforcment cycle.  The more you get called a dumbass the more you get pissed off and yell, and the more you get called a dumbass.  But trust me, neither Zait nor Bander are dumb.  The angry posts you see are a result of the creation of the dumbass perception.

Now I'll touch on another big one.  Rapid too is a creation of a dumbass.  Rapid isn't that bad of a person to begin with, but the asses that be kept tearing him down to the point where the whole community bought into it and the reinforcement cycle consumed him just like it did to Romulus.  For some reason Typhy also got a bit of the dumbass treatment as well.  Now Bucc may mock Rapid for being paranoid for the Inner Forum Circle stuff...but in reality Rapid knew what he was talking about.  I was privy to every single forum and saw all the discussion that happened, and there was a group of people dead set against Rapid.  Is this a conspiracy...probably not, but most certainly he has reason to say what he did.

Unfortunately this summer Grifter passed away and Bucc took his place as an ass.  As bad as Grifter was, Bucc is much worse in using his style of making fancy statments and dropping in buzz words like "hypocrite" or "dumbass" and keeps the battle going.

Hopefully the majority of you can understand what is happening here.  I'm sure that Bander, Zait, Rapid, and every other person who has been chosen as a dumbass knows exactly where I'm coming from and agrees that the only dumbasses on this forum are the one created in the posts of Bucc, Ace, and the late Grifter.

P.S.  Bucc, if your plan is to reply breaking down my post and using it as a sign that I'm a dumbass, then you'd only be proving my point.

[Jeb]

i'm sure calling grifter a dumbass will get you a whole lot of negative attention bondo.  You do realize that bucc isn't a asshole to the vast majority of gameranger users, on the forums in the past if you say something stupid (or are a stuck up prick) he will destroy you. Ace is the sameway on GR & forums.

From my observations of you in particular you seem to cower and complain once someone voices a viewpoint different than yours. When multiple people think differently than you you feel "ganged up on." All those things i've said about rapid being illogical in the past pail in comparison to you.

I'm not sure what your trying to acomplish with this, because most of the general god fearing gameranger population likes both ace and bucc.

[Typhy]

Bondo, I agree 100%, your post has to be one of the best I've ever seen.

Ace is probably my least favorite person in this entire community. - Just after I got back from my ban, I joined one of Ace's Ghost Recon games, he promptly booted me and put me on block, before I even said a word. This is someone who I never talked to, he just saw that my opinions on the forums differed from his, and that the other "inner circle" members didn't like me. Since that point, I consider Ace a total dumbass.

On the subject of Grifter - Grifter was proud of being an "ass", and I doubt that he would take offense to anything in Bondo's post.

Bondo clearly states the reasons why this is the most screwed up forum ever. If Ace or Buccaneer would act like they do in a real forum, they'd first have their posts edited, and any offensive material taken out, as well as a friendly warning from a moderator. Another post like that, they'd get a week forum ban, a 3rd one, and they'd be gone for good.

What so many people fail to understand is that it's not the "dumbasses" who create "flame wars", it's the "asses". A perfect example of this: PsYcO aSsAsSiN and I were having a pretty good argument in regards to Ghost Recon ( GhR vs RS, actually ), then along comes (uNt Pyrex; boom, it goes from being a semi intelligent argument into being a "flame war", when I take a look about one of his posts, it's about a 1:5 ratio between content that regards the issue, and random bullshit. A normal forum, that is simply deleted.

More coming later - Great post, Bondo.  

[*NADS Capt. Anarchy]

Hmm... an interesting topic...

The superhero/villian comparison really works mighty well. You could really expand on it... with Ace and Bucc being the superheros of the asses, Rapid and.. mm.. dunno who else is leading the charge of the dumbasses. And they are indeed created, but they are not *just* created... it takes a special breed to have all the right qualities ofa  dumbass. They are hand picked from the general population and specially groomed to be complete... well.. dumbasses.

And we do need them. Think.. how boring would it be with no evil dumbass nemesis to be the bad guy? Everyone loves a good argument/debate, and these guys provide 'em when there aren't enough, and even some when we have enough. We need a bad guy. It's kinda like a jihad... we fight in the name of all things good and holy against the evil dumbasses.

So, yes, we make them. But so what? Sure, we piss a few people off, but we keep the jihad going and us simple minded folk happy, because we know we have our nemesis.

Plus, sometimes it's damn funny

[Ace]

Hmm, where to begin...

Bondo, I really don't get it. You are supposedly fed up with these boards, claim to be leaving, then come back a few weeks later. Now within the first week you are back, you post this knowing that an ensuing flame war is all but inevitable.

Believe it or not, we (the asses) do not "create" dumbasses; we merely point them out for others to see what they really are. Basically, if someone says or does something really dumb, I'm going to call them on it. Sucks to be them, but it's their own fault. You say that after people are labeled a dumbass, they scream and yell to only perpetuate the problem. You try and pass this blame off on Bucc and I, but what does it really say about someone who becomes childish and immature when things don't get their way? It says something about a person who can keep their cool and stick to their guns when things get rough and don't go their way.

Let's take Bander for example. Bander was once well-regarded on these boards. The turning point came around Sept. 11th. Naturely, tensions were high. We had Americans feeling very shocked and bitter, and we also had Bander who came from an Afghan point of view. People made some off color remarks about Middle Easterners, and Bander countered with anti-American stereotypes. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but I really don't blame either side because people will always say things in the heat of the moment. If I remember correctly, there was a reconciliation for a time afterwards. However, ever since then, any time Bander has posted in a topic dealing with Americans and international politics, there is the inevitable "stupid, fat Americans" comment. Of course we rip him a new one for this. Does anyone honestly expect him to make bullshit stereotypes about our country and not stand up for ourselves? Then, like clockwork, Bander will get his panties in a knot and start screaming and yelling. Thus, the ass/dumbass relationship has been perpetuated.

AK is a whole other mess unto itself. Thankfully I was able to avoid dealing with them for a long time because I didn't play RS. (Just another reason showing why R6 is so superior to RS, hehe.) Eventually I was forced to deal with things, and if it wasn't blatantly obvious that Rapid is a moron, I don't know what is. I don't care what you say Bondo, everywhere Rapid goes he invites controversy and chaos. I've never seen someone able to fan a flamewar like he can. If you would notice, very rarely do I respond to Typhy or Rapid. You just get this idea that I persecute them because I delete their posts when they are full of bullshit. And even when their bullshit posts are deleted by someone else, it is blamed on me. Just ask the other GG mods how many times this has happened.

Typhy, I could really care less what you think about me. My only regret is that I didn't pre-emptively block you from my server. And no, this is not because of what the "inner circle" members told me to do or any conspiracy like that. Simply put, my GhR server is just that - mine. When I'm dedicating a computer and a large chunk of bandwidth to a server, I'm going to run it how I want. For starters, I don't want to have to deal with all the crap that follows AK. Say what you want, but wherever AK goes, bullshit follows. I have rectified this problem by blocking everyone in AK.

Also, if I'm such a dick like you guys allege, why is it that I dedicated what is widely considered the best GhR server around almost 24/7? I can't wait to hear the answers to this one. On a similar note, why does the other "asshole" (Bucc) spend his time and money to keep Macclans up for the community? Surely it couldn't be out of goodwill. He is evil and malicious, right?

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Jeb, reread my last sentance...I never said Grifter was a dumbass...I said the only dumbasses are those created in the posts of his (and the others) so as to say in how he replies to other people's posts.  The posts made by the "dumbasses" aren't actually dumb.

Anarchy, I'm glad you appreciate my alalogy...even if you completely take it from its intended use.

Ace, the reason I don't leave is because I am well liked by a majority of the posters.  Just because you, Bucc, Jeb and a few others don't doesn't mean I don't have friends.  My list of friends on GR and on the forums is just as expansive as yours.

As for Bander, the 9/11 thing was just when the asses decided he would become a dumbass because they didn't like his view.  Just like I was insulted in that same thread for saying the US brought the attack upon themself with their meddling in the Middle East.  This wasn't a very popular statment among such patriotic people like yourself.  Sorry, but the asses show a real intolerance for opinions they don't like (no, this isn't a liberal/conservative thing, I'm talking about intolerance for a variety of ways to make an arguement).

Jeb, you say I cower whenever someone disagrees with me.  You must not be reading.  I am fine with people having different viewpoints seperate from mine.  My problem is when people insist in replying to my post that all my points are wrong just because THEY don't agree with them.  I would just like to have my viewpoint respected just as I respect those who have their own.

Trust me, I've posted enough times on enough different topics to know that regardless of the opinion I present and how I present it, the asses will make the claim that it is flawed.  It has nothing to do with my posting and completely to do with the asses need to have dumbasses.

Anyways, the replies so far in this thread have proved exactly what I feared, only those who have been in the shoes of being called a dumbass understand that the asses are the big problem, and without asses there would be no dumbasses.

[jn.loudnotes]

Ha. . .Romulus wasn't the first dumbass.  Before Ace ever even called himself the "resident ass" we had Peekay/Romeo/Juliet acting stupider and saying things worse than the combined magnitude of all the flame wars, all the negativity, and all the insults real or imagined.  And I believe it was blackhand who first coined the term dumbass. . .with about a page and a half of them. . .

Guys, those were the days.  People were mocked for doing stupid things.  (example, trying to hack GR, spamming Mauti, etc)  and then they left.  So Ace and Grifter didn't start it. . .

Anyway, I'd like to commend you all for not erupting into personal attacks here.  Ace, you were very diplomatic. . .that's the kind of rebuttal I'd hoped for a little while ago.  It's funny though how trivial the forums seem now.

Have a good one.

[Ace]

Bondo, I'm not bringing up the point of whether you should leave or whether you shouldn't, although you know where I stand. I was just calling into question if your words can be taken at face value when you say something (i.e. you are leaving for good) and do something else (i.e. come back a few weeks later).

As for the 9/11, it's not a matter of tolerance of other people's ideas, it is a matter of showing some simple respect. We are talking about a tragedy where thousands of our civilians are killed, and you have the audacity to say we brought it upon ourselves. Where I come from you show some damn courtesy. Also, please explain to me how "fat and uneducated American" is a "different view" I should "tolerate" and not a stereotype I should rip in two? That's the kind of shit that makes Bander the dumbass that he is.

Bondo, why is it wrong to reply to your points using well-thought out arguments because we do think your points are wrong most of the time. If I disagree with you and I can back my viewpoint up, you can be sure as hell that I'm going to call you on it. It's not my fault that you fail to see the big picture much of the time. You just try to focus on your viewpoint, and when things don't go your way, yes, you cower and run.

You are really starting to sound like Rapid now. There is no conspiracy. Bucc and I don't sit around saying, "Hey, let's go make a dumbass on the forum, we need a new one." Get over yourself already.

[abe]

OMG weaksauce,  

why do you always go about bitching and whining when somthing doesnt go your way or somone disagrees with you.

i hope you don't do this in real life, because, well, that makes you look like a sissy, as well as an idiot. LMAO

notice the double spacage in my post?? maybe now you can respond instead of bitching about my posts' format.

just keep in my that before these iraq threads, i did'nt know you and that any judgement of your intelligence or ability to argue that i have made is based on your statements to me and others.

for one thing, weaksauce, the first time you actually addressed me and responded to a point i made, it was somthing along the lines of "abe, if you only got your lips of buccs undersized cock (...) you would realize that i am right." keep that in mind as well. even after i didnt take that bait and responded to your dumbass comments in a dignified manner, you simply brush any point i make aside by saying it is too hard to read because i dont capitalize or add line breaks or just ignore it plain and simple.

i cant really comment on what happened here a year ago because i wasnt here, but i gather from what others (not just bucc) have said that this is a pattern with you. let me ask you this: is thinking that you are the victim of a GR/forum conspiracy (do you even realize how ludicrous this is???) also a pattern with you or is this somthing new?

so listen weaksauce.....i think your a dumbass now (based on what YOU, not bucc or anyone else, said) and ive only been aware of you for about a week. it seens that in two years time you have managed to convince a lot of others of the same thing. weaksauce (yes i do mean you, bondo, if you havent noticed yet), this post is just another proof, if any was needed, that when the stupidity of your arguments is exposed, you go bitching about somthing completely irrelvevant and tangential to the discussion, like whether i use capitals and line breaks and the fact that there are people on this forum who are convinced you are a dumbass (for which you have noone to blame but yourself).

[Mr. Lothario]

     I've got to post quickly--I'm late for school. Forgive please.

     I'd like to begin by saying, "Bondo, you drama queen."

     I shall continue by saying that, as far as I'm concerned, I read Bondo's posts just like I read anyone else's. When there is a debate in progress, Bondo, you'll notice that the "Class A" group of posters make, and expect, reasoned arguments not opinions. If an A poster ventures an opinion, it will be clearly deliniated as such. The Class A posters check their facts, they word their statements carefully, they, in short, write closely-reasoned arguments. All other posters... don't. You, Bondo, fall into the latter category. You're a high-quality "other" poster, in that you have opinions and argue for them, but your posts will be demolished by the "A" posters because you don't bother to close your loopholes, secure your arguments, check your facts, or separate fact from opinion. The A posters expect a high standard of quality, and hold themselves and others to it. You are a B poster being treated as an A poster. It looks as though you are being unduly picked on (and, sometimes you are), but for the most part, you are being treated no more harshly than (for example) Ace or I would be if we posted a flawed argument similar to one of yours.

     Tighten up your rhetoric, and you'll find that things will be different.

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Ace, I've never claimed to be leaving for good so thus I've never gone back on my word.  I said I was leaving the Black Ops for good, and outside of one recent thread I have maybe two posts there when I felt they were necessary.  Other than that I've left outside of any claim that I was going to and thus am free to come and go as I please.

I won't directly reply to the rest because it is more proof that none of you get it.  You are all ignorant to join along into the downfall of the forum.  My points being weak is just an illusion.  You can reply to any argument the way Bucc does and say it is weak.  That doesn't make it weak.  How hard is it do see that he uses OPINION as reasons for my posts to not be strong.  Either that or he uses semantics.  Take the thing with Zait arguing over whether all or some European countries didn't support the war...making the assumption that Zait meant the goverments not the publics...choosing the option that made the argument seem weaker.  How can so many people be so blind to what is going on.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Bucc, if your plan is to reply breaking down my post and using it as a sign that I'm a dumbass, then you'd only be proving my point.

I'll work a little backwards here.  I have to disagree with this totally.  If I were to change my style because of your post, that would be admitting I agreed with you.  By doing what I feel is right, and in the proper way (in my opinion), I'm only proving that I don't agree with you.

Hopefully the majority of you can understand what is happening here.  I'm sure that Bander, Zait, Rapid, and every other person who has been chosen as a dumbass knows exactly where I'm coming from and agrees that the only dumbasses on this forum are the one created in the posts of Bucc, Ace, and the late Grifter.

You do a disservice.  I think that Loth, Info-man, Assassin, Jeb and a few others deserve credit for pointing out bullshit where they see it.  I don't want to hog the spotlight.  They all deserve some applause as well for cutting through it.

Bucc is much worse in using his style of making fancy statments and dropping in buzz words like "hypocrite" or "dumbass" and keeps the battle going.

Hypocrite is a buzz word?  Ok.  According to Webster, a Hypocrite is "A person given to hyprocisy.".  So let's see what Hypocrisy is.  "The practice of professing beliefs, feelings or virtues that one does not hold or possess."  

So, pardon me using a buzz word.  But it happens to fit you Bondo.  I've proven it time and time again, using your own quotes.  You tell me I'm a bad person for calling someone a name, or insulting them, but you've done the exact same thing.  As I just recently pointed out, your first comments ever to abe were to tell him to get his lips off my ass and call him an asshole.  You've also said how you only pay attention to the point, and not trivial details, but wont read someones post, because he didn't use proper paragraphs (which, he didn't use line breaks).  So, even if Hypocrite was a buzz word, it happens to fit you to a tee.  It's not like I call you it and don't prove it, every time.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Bander that has posted recently and been so greatly mocked isn't how he really is.  But this is why his posts are as they are.  Once you have been labeled a dumbass and any point you make is sure to be ridiculed, it is hard to see the point of putting effort into a calm well thought out post and much easier just to be dramatic and yell.  In this way it is a negative reinforcment cycle.  

Well, since I've only seen this side of Bander, from my point of view, it is exactly how he really is.  He came in flaming, from post number one.  My first responses to him were not calling him a dumbass or anyother names, that didn't come until after, when he kept ignoring any logical or reasonible posts, and just flaming away.  So, I don't think one of your so called asses created this problem.  I think it was Bander.  He seems to lack the ability to actually debate anything with someone that doesn't agree with him, he just likes to stir up the flames.  Which is why i've started to ignore him.

The first notable dumbass was Romulus.  I wasn't around much back then so I can't say exacly how it progressed, but I can assume it happened much like the later ones happened and the asses decided he was going to be a dumbass based on a few posts that they thought were stupid.  So from that point on they made a point of mocking him any chance they had.

Ah, here's where you get your wish Bondo, here's were you get me to tell you this was a stupid point.  You say you weren't here, and don't know, but you still use it as an example.  That's just plain stupid.  Let me bring up something I admittedly don't know about, and try to use it to prove a point.  DUH.  Happy?

In my past efforts to get this point across, I've fogotten one thing, most of you can't really understand.  You haven't been on this side.  So to help detail this, let me give a basic picture of the whole ass/dumbass thing.

Bondo, don't you get tired of beating this same old drum?  You want the forums to think I'm a bad guy.  This is what, the thrid thread you've started like this?  Get over it.  You don't like that I point out where I think you are wrong.  Too bad.  You want to do somthing about it, break the cycle of being the dumbass that you talked about.  

Ever think that that power was in your hands all along?  That if the Dumbass Perception is the cause, you are capable of breaking that perception (if you aren't a dumbass, that is).  Instead of trying to turn people against me, or Ace, or anyone else, maybe you should reflect on being better yourself.  Afterall, by trying to turn people against me, you are only doing what you accuse us of.  Wouldn't that make you, yep, you guessed it, a hypocrite?

No, surprise me.  Instead of getting on your soapbox, and saying "see, he was an ass to me", try actually pointing out what I said that you think is wrong.  And why.  Can you do that?

[†FiRE Infection]

Jeb, Bondo never called Grifter a dumbass, he called him one of the asses.

Bondo, I've seen no problems with people like Bander or Zait really so I can kind of see where you're coming from but you aren't totally correct.  You can't come in here and say that people are only dumbasses because some powerful people turn them into them.

That's like saying there are no dumbasses, which clearly isn't true.  They had to make posts to get people started and people like Rapid continue and continue never changing, which isn't really good to prove your point.  But I guess Rapid isn't the biggest dumbass, you can't come in here and say Rabid, SK and Mainman aren't dumbasses.

[Cossack]

Dont get me wrong Bondo I do not hate you and try not to jump on the band wagon. It is true some of your ideas I find offensive. I do not think you are a bad person, I think you can just toughen up a bit. This analogy you have stated is interesting.

I repspect Zaitsev. I think it is great that this 14 year old has taken an interest into what is going on around him. He may be a bit ignorant about the world and wet behind the ears, but this interest can take him on a good path.

I very much respect Bander and can easily understand why he is so angry at Americans. It is no secret I am Russian. I get pms so often insulting me. GO BACK TO RUSSIA! RUSSIA SUCKS! RUSSIA IS AMERICA'S TOILET! Fuck Russians fuck you I hate you." Bander must get tons of pms and other "communications" like this to him. Being called a Sand Nigger or Camel Jockey and a terrorist. When people call him racial slurs and start insulting his country I can see why he gets upset. Eventhough I love America, I will insult it to get back at a dumbass mistake of an American like Spaz.

As for Rapid, he does deserve it, if that tk thing is true that happened on Ace's server, then well he sucks.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

you are being treated no more harshly than (for example) Ace or I would be if we posted a flawed argument similar to one of yours.

Right on the money with that one Loth.  I've gone after posts by you, loudnotes, tasty, cookie, abe, cosscak and many others just as hard as I have with Bondo or the others I consider dumbasses.  

Even though Bondo has said many times that I lable all those that don't agree with me as dumbasses, none of you have ever fallen into that category as far as I'm concerned.  Because while we can have a difference of opinion, when we've debated about things that difference comes not from ignoring the other side, or making VAST ERRORS (had to slip that in once), it comes from looking at both sides and measuring it against our own feelings and beliefes.  

Debating with people like you, Cossack and Ace (and plenty of others, don't feel slighted) makes me reexamine my position.  It makes me  look at things in a different light.  That's the point.  It's not to sway your opinion as much as it is to examine my own.  It only works when someone has well thought out and prestented arguments.  It also only works out when someone just admits to a flaw, not ignores it.  

If Ace or Buccaneer would act like they do in a real forum, they'd first have their posts edited, and any offensive material taken out, as well as a friendly warning from a moderator. Another post like that, they'd get a week forum ban, a 3rd one, and they'd be gone for good.

Really?  So, real, heavilly moderated forums that I post in (say like the PMI forums which is a professional organization) would do all that to me, huh?  Thanks Typhy.  You know, it always means so much when someone of your vast experience shows me that my experience is worthless with posts like that.  

In case you didn't know it, when posting on some professional boards, if you don't agree with someones post, tearing it apart like I do is the EXPECTED method.  If someone is talking out their ass, making stupid assumptions about Earned Value Analysis, you are supposted to point that out.  Amongst other things, it is WHAT I GET PAID GOOD MONEY TO DO.  So I'm good at it.  

So please Typhy, don't tell me that if I act this way in a "real" forum, what would happen.  Because I have and it hasn't.  

Abe, be careful, or weaksause will be the next buzz word

[*DAMN Bander]

LOL. Hey Bondo dude - fat props for jumping in a smoking "bush" for me, and trying to "save" me. hehe - dude. I know more ybout that "dumbass" thing than most of the asses here. Remember who created the very first *DAMN site with mauti. *DAMN has become a respected clan, people discuss on our boards who practically "live" here (otherwise than me, and maybe you and some others). So let em have the joy to "dumbass" people. They dont have many other joys in their lives maybe.

I am actually proud on my funny DAMN forum "dumbass" status. if it would be for being an asshole for talking shit in general or being an ass in GR or somewhere else i would be worried maybe. But u explained it perfectly my friend:

As for Bander, the 9/11 thing was just when the asses decided he would become a dumbass because they didn't like his view.

Of course my view wasnt easy to "like" for americans after 9/11. But i didnt come up with my arguments for absolutely no reasons and not just to be funny and to insult american feelings right in that moment.

Rember all the fucking GR gamenames like: Talibankiller, Nuke Afghanistan, Fucking Afghans, Bomb Kabul etc. ?

Remember all the fucking anti arab shit?

Did you personally really expect from the bander u know to run around with an idiotic smile, assuming all is okay and bloaking with the horde while a war was gathering over my fathers home country?

Did anyone except some local asses who arent worth a word in the real word that i would just sit there and say: yes terrible. kill em all now?

Look: In your very well written post Bondo, you basically point out one thing:

It may happen to you to be a "dumbass" in this forum, and elsewhere when you speak out your personal view of things - ESPECIALLY if it doesnt fit into the picture of the majority. Thats why i listen to punk & rap music instead to brittney spears hehe. If this makes me a "dumbass" i will be proud on it.

Beside this: I posted a "Bander Manual" in the "Patriot Act" thread. For people to need one to handle the "Bander".

And to cossak: Tnx for your words my friend. I also do respect u - but i never got a single badmail so far. When i enter GR a lot of people i never talked before message me permanently, but they are all cool - i have my friends here on the boards who i know since 3 years or less, and who are my friends no matter what bush does or not, and no matter if i dislike that or not.

And so i dont really care a bit about any dumbassism here about me.

I send u all a friendly LOL, and some hugs to my buddys ~

Bander

[Ace]

Bander, you just proved my point. Just because some ignorant fucks run around bashing Arabs, that doesn't mean you have to stoop to their level and bash Americans for no reason. Since you obviously aren't above that, I lump you in with the dumbasses. Pretty simple actually.

PS - Go back to Russia Coss, you dirty communist. Go share something or whatever you commies do. You might interfere with my mighty capitalism, bwahahaha.

PPS - I still want to hear how Bucc and I are such dicks and only care about the "inner circle" for hosting Macclans and a GhR server respectively

[The Ghost of Bondo]

PPS - I still want to hear how Bucc and I are such dicks and only care about the "inner circle" for hosting Macclans and a GhR server respectively

A Macclans and GhR server that you boot people you don't like from.  Rapid, Typhy, and I are all banned from Macclans and from what I hear you are booting people you don't like from your games.  Such a "service" you do for us.

Bucc, you say it is your job to point out when people say incorrect things about whatever it is you do...good for you, but that is a job, this is a Mac Gaming forum...it is NOT necessary to act like you do here.

Let me give you the bottom line.  You can disagree, you can even think someone's post is dumb, but there is NO need to insult them and criticize them for that.  On another forum I post at there was an Evolution/Creation debate and there were some strongly religious people in there and also people like me who are purely seeing the scientific side.  But guess what, it remained polite because no one at that forum feels the need to attack other people's point of views.  In fact, if they did, they would have their posts moderated with a warning, and then banned.  Typhy is correct that at most forums that actually have rules that behavior isn't accepted.  Why is it so hard for you to try to be civil Bucc?

You think I'm saying all this just to make you look bad?  No, I'm hoping that perhaps some people could see that they are making the forum hostile rather than friendly.  I don't see why "going after posts" is something that needs to be done.  Couldn't you just ignore posts that you consider below you Bucc?  Or perhaps just state a different view of things in a post of your own rather than specifically attacking what someone says?  Really, is a little civility too much to ask?

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A Macclans and GhR server that you boot people you don't like from.  Rapid, Typhy, and I are all banned from Macclans

Wow, I just love it when you are always wrong.  Typhy isn't banned from MacClans (unless he upset the firewall and I don't know about it).  Rapid was banned by Deadeye for violating the TOS, which he did.  He even got warnings first.  You also aren't banned from MacClans.  So, where do you make this shit up at?

As for Ace keeping AK off his server, he already said he is boycotting them.  You know, avoiding the problem.  You even suggested this as a way to handle these kinds of things long ago.  Now Ace is wrong for doing it?  I also suppose that the fact that Rapid came on Aces server and TK'd a shitload before (and on Loth's host as well) is no reason.  Please give it a rest.  The people that have been booted have been booted for a reason.  You may not agree with the reason, but talk about it, don't make up bullshit.

Bucc, you say it is your job to point out when people say incorrect things about whatever it is you do...good for you, but that is a job, this is a Mac Gaming forum...it is NOT necessary to act like you do here.

It's not necessary, but that doesn't make it wrong.  It's not necessary to say please and thank you, but that doesn't make that wrong either.  It's also not necessary to act like a drama queen, but you do that great (it's not your job, just your lifestyle I guess).  So what.  So what if it is not necessary.  I don't happen to think it's wrong either.  

Let me give you the bottom line.  You can disagree, you can even think someone's post is dumb, but there is NO need to insult them and criticize them for that.  ...   Why is it so hard for you to try to be civil Bucc?

I don't find it necessary or even attractive to be civil to people that aren't.  Especially to hypocrites.  Why is it so hard for you to be civil Bondo?  You fail at it as much as anyone.  Examples have been given.

I don't see why "going after posts" is something that needs to be done.  Couldn't you just ignore posts that you consider below you Bucc?  Or perhaps just state a different view of things in a post of your own rather than specifically attacking what someone says?  Really, is a little civility too much to ask?

Easy.  I don't see what's wrong with going after posts.  Going after points people have made isn't uncivil and insulting (that comes much later, and you have done your share to earn it).  You are making a huge assumption.  That there is something wrong with this.  That it is a bad thing.  It's not.  It's a style.  You don't have to like it.  

And, to bring this back once again.  Why don't you just ignore it?  Can't you ignore these little things and just concentrate on the points?  Really, is a little tolerance too much to ask?

You see Bondo, everything that you are saying is exactly what you aren't doing.  You continue to be very much the hypocrite.  Ever think that maybe you contribute to making the forum hostile rather then friendly?  No, not you.  

Get off your soapbox.  Answer some of my previous points.

A) tell us how your treatment of Abe (for example) wasn't insulting and hypocritical
B) tell us why it's so bad to work with what other peple have written (it's not like I don't correct them and add my own opinions.  I'm not just pointing and saying "you are stupid, you made that mistake".  Like I showed you in another thread, I went on to show the ideas.)
C) tell us why people on your side of the argument always should get more understanding then people on my side of the argument?  It's not like I saw you defending PY when he made some dumbass comments that were wrong and was being attacked.  Hmm.
D) tell us why you don't break this cycle, since it's your theory.

My post is right up there.  Not hard to find.  Come on.  I address your points, don't ignore mine (like usual).