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[FUCK BUSH Bander]

Bander, you really do disgust me.

u re very welcome asshole.

You are the a-typical ugly european,

Listen: If u think i am "ugly" then go rent a gay-porn movie. Maybe u like the men better there

spreading hate towards the USA for no real reasons.

could someone PLEASE fill buccaneer aka "the idiot" into what we re discussing here? he didnt get it yet.
 

Geek was right on the mark that Bush is an asshole for what he's done to the future ecology of our nation/world.  But he was also completely off in his rants about North Korea and Iraq, and connecting them all into one big ball.

Hating Americans for things our Government has done is like us hating "germans" for what Hitler did.  Do you deserve that stigma?  Well you may Bander, but does the rest of Germany or Austria?  You spread way too much hate Bander.  You are as bad as anyone you disaprove of.

Listen cocksucker: I am born in austria in 1972. Since THIS time MY country was part of NO single agression towards any other nation on this planet. So i am not related into Hitler shit in ANY way - but YOU are a person who are ACTUALLY supporting a warmonger goverment wich already has enuff blood on its hands.

So fuck you you son of a brainless biatch and stuff your stupid comments up into your ass.

If u are so upset about your countries credibility in the world then go and fight for the GOOD. But defending a violent and unhuman politics and being mad cuz everone hates that shit will NOT make it better.

If u could, u would threaten the whole world with your fat army and primitive nuclear power saying "Love me or i assimilate you". But have u ever heard about a girl wich fell in love with the person wich raped her before?

Buccaneer: You stink like fish. Take a bullet - water wont help. Moron.

Free World.

[FUCK BUSH II]

Geek was right on the mark that Bush is an asshole for what he's done to the future ecology of our nation/world.  But he was also completely off in his rants about North Korea and Iraq, and connecting them all into one big ball.

Dont talk about balls. u got none biatch. u are worried about economics? i am more worried about the coming loss of human live again. Fuck you Buccaneer. U play wargames and think war is a game too. Exactly the kind of R6 player that needs a psycic doctor and someone who keeps you away from a computer. U are one of these dumb americans who think they ARE Bush himself. But u are just a stupid moron who gave him his laughtable vote. U are as helpless against Bush as any European, Iraki or American. Fuck u again but pull the pole out of your ass when u re done!!!

[HAIL U.S.A. I]

P.S.: Geek - i posted what u have written in a german hip hop forum:

www.hiphop.at

people love u ~ America WILL rise again!

RoR

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Buccaneer that comparison was pshyco.

It was meant to be pshyco you idiot.  That's exactly how psycho Bander's anti-american rantings are.  He talks about peace and perspires hatrid.  He's a hypocrite and a biggot.  He's everything he says he hates.  He is, in a word, pshyco.

Listen: If u think i am "ugly" then go rent a gay-porn movie. Maybe u like the men better there

You would know, I'm sure.  How much do you make being a fluffer on those?

So i am not related into Hitler shit in ANY way - but YOU are a person who are ACTUALLY supporting a warmonger goverment wich already has enuff blood on its hands.

Really asshole?  Where have I supported Bush in any fucking way?  Tell me?  You can't you fucking moron, because I haven't.  I'm not a warmonger, nor do I support Bush.  I've only pointed out that he could do the right things for the wrong reason.  So, fudgepacker, get those balls out of your face when you are reading, maybe you will get right one of the things you accuse me of.  

Dont talk about balls. u got none biatch. u are worried about economics? i am more worried about the coming loss of human live again. Fuck you Buccaneer. U play wargames and think war is a game too. Exactly the kind of R6 player that needs a psycic doctor and someone who keeps you away from a computer. U are one of these dumb americans who think they ARE Bush himself. But u are just a stupid moron who gave him his laughtable vote. U are as helpless against Bush as any European, Iraki or American. Fuck u again but pull the pole out of your ass when u re done!!!

LMAO Bander, I know that english isn't your native tongue, but you spell ECONOMICS correctly, now look at what I wrote.  ECOLOGY.  As in MOTHER NATURE.  

I didn't vote for Bush either, I've said that many times.

So Bander, you are pathetic.  You spout your hate at me while getting none of what I said right.  You are such a fucking waste of a brain.  Go back to your cocksucking and pot smoking.  

If u are so upset about your countries credibility in the world then go and fight for the GOOD. But defending a violent and unhuman politics and being mad cuz everone hates that shit will NOT make it better.

I'm not upset about my countries credibility at all.  You are the one that seems to be defending violent and unhuman pollitics.  You seem to be defending Iraq's right to make weapons of mass distruction that they have proven they will use in the past, since they have.  

So fuck you you son of a brainless biatch and stuff your stupid comments up into your ass.

My mother may be brainless, but I'm not.  You are.  You don't even know what you are fucking talking about.  Your comments are like the dog shit I scrape from my shoes Bander.  

I've answered your questions, you've ignored mine.  It just goes to show how fucking weak your ideals are.  You can't stand up for what you are talking about, so you spout propoganda with no meat.  You are one of the great thinkers of our time.  NOT.  

You think you know about me, you don't.  You haven't even gotten my positions right.  You have stereotyped me.  That is what makes you the asshole.  You think I support Bush no matter how many times I've posted about not.  You are brainless.  Taking the stance not because you know anything, or have some insight, but because that's just what you do.

[EUR_Zaitsev]

Bander the bottom line is there is a crack in your reasoning. You said it was stupid for me to try to achieve peace with violence, and look at Bush. He wants PEACE without saddam so with VIOLENCE he is going to attack. Surely you see where im coming from

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Bander the bottom line is there is a crack in your reasoning. You said it was stupid for me to try to achieve peace with violence, and look at Bush. He wants PEACE without saddam so with VIOLENCE he is going to attack. Surely you see where im coming from

If I'm not mistaken this was directed towards Bucc not Bander.  I wanted to get this in before Bucc...because he is known to insult people who put the wrong name in.

Anyway, I agree with Bucc that it is hypocritical to use violent methods to gain peace.  What I disagree with Bucc about is that this war in Iraq isn't to make peace.  It is to prevent peace as it is from being disrupted in the future.  Of course it disrupts the peace to do this and thus violates that peace initiative like you are trying to argue Zait.

We all need to take a look at Ghandi and MLK Jr....non-violent protest is the way to go...and that we includes Bush.

[Bushaneers Mom]

My mother may be brainless, but I'm not.  You are.  You don't even know what you are fucking talking about.  Your comments are like the dog shit I scrape from my shoes Bander.

Maybe u should start watching where u are going. Then u wouldnt have to scrape dog shit from your feet, dumb asshole  

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah. Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah ... Bushaneer, Bushaneer cmon talk we need some air here!

Affe.

[Bander again]

P.S.:

Seems you (Bushaneer) dislike your mom (since u re not defending her). So i assume shes a good person and so i want to say sorry to her, for calling her brainless.

Bandersnacha ~

[|MP|Buccaneer]

P.S.:

Seems you (Bushaneer) dislike your mom (since u re not defending her). So i assume shes a good person and so i want to say sorry to her, for calling her brainless.

Bandersnacha ~

No Bander, actually I've just come to realize that all the pot you smoke has left you with the mind of a sixth grader, and leave you to it.  And you are right, I should watch out for the dog shit, so I'll just stop reading your worthless posts.

Bondo, I disagree with you because I don't have as much faith in the human animal.  We are not evolved enough as a race for purely peaceful methods to actually work.  If they did, I'd be 100% behind them.  I've always been for trying them first.  

But I most certainly am not for peace at any price.

And Zaitsev, you still have it wrong.  Bush is preaching security for the US, not peace.  That doesn't make him a hypocrite (many other things do, but not that).

[The Ghost of Bondo]

And Zaitsev, you still have it wrong.  Bush is preaching security for the US, not peace.  That doesn't make him a hypocrite (many other things do, but not that).

I think the peace/security thing is all semantics.  Either way you put it he wants to prevent violence through violence.

[abe]

well Bondo
IMO, preventing violence against american civilians through violence against saddam hussein or bin laden is not wrong. and the peace/security distinction is not all semantics -> somtimes peace does not give you security.

[kami]

I'm not going to bring up Franklin and his security at the price of freedom stuff but, do you really think America will be a safer place if you attack Iraq? Iraq does not pose a threat to anyone 'cept it's own people.

[Mr. Lothario]

     That's HIGHLY debatable, Kami. That is the keystone of the whole argument, but there's no way to anticipate whether Hussein actually does pose a threat or not, until he either dies or attacks, and thus answers the question one way or the other.

[kami]

I don't want to make this another Iraq issue thread but seriously, what can Iraq do against America? Or against anyone at all? They're not stupid enough to actually try to invade any of their neighbouring countries, they'd be smacked senseless (by the rest of the world), they know that, and they would never just fire away a WMD (if they have any) against someone for no reason.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

I don't want to make this another Iraq issue thread but seriously, what can Iraq do against America? Or against anyone at all? They're not stupid enough to actually try to invade any of their neighbouring countries, they'd be smacked senseless (by the rest of the world), they know that, and they would never just fire away a WMD (if they have any) against someone for no reason.

Really??  They've shown that kind of reasonible thinking in the past, have they?  Don't underestimate the arrogance or stupidity of Saddam.  It's not like he hasn't proven it in the past.

And, even without attacking.  They could easilly supply biological and chemical weapons to terrorists to use against us, the UK or many other nations that they aren't very fond of.  Or, they could use it themselves in a terrorist act against us.  How hard would it be to get a few people and a few hundred kilo's of chemical agents into the USA?  Not very hard judging from how many illegal aliens come into the country every day, or the amount of drugs that make it here.

While this isn't likely at this time, it is a possibility.  And knowing that he is such a murdering bastard as he has proven to be in the past, the agreements after the gulf war said he would destroy what he had and not seek or produce more.  So, if he is so smart and reasonible now, why hasn't he followed all of them??

[kami]

I am certainly not saying he is a reasonable and sane man, Saddam is nothing but a psychopath. But, he won't attack his neighbours with his military because he knows that that is the worst thing he could do for himself.
Furthermore, there is no real proof of that he has any connections with Al-Qaida, there is no clear evidence that he has any active chemical or biological material to sell to anyone at all.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

I am certainly not saying he is a reasonable and sane man, Saddam is nothing but a psychopath. But, he won't attack his neighbours with his military because he knows that that is the worst thing he could do for himself.
Furthermore, there is no real proof of that he has any connections with Al-Qaida, there is no clear evidence that he has any active chemical or biological material to sell to anyone at all.

You are right, there is no real proff of it yet.  And I even said these things aren't likely (in my opinion) at this time.

But, these are ways that he may find to use WMD without seeing them as a high risk to himself.  It doesn't need to be Al Qaida, he could find some nuts of his own to do it.  That was my point.  You asked what he could do, well, that's something he could do, and it wouldn't be very hard if he had the weapons, would it?

[Cossack]

Here is a little tidbit of info I picked up. Iran gassed Iraq first, than Iraq gassed villages under Iranian occupation. I got this from a Declassifed Pre Gulf War CIA report. I forget where though.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Actually Cossack, I've read that both ways.  I honestly couldn't tell you which one started it.  I doubt many people know for sure.  Doesn't change my opinions on him being a murdering bastard for using it.  And I wasn't taking Iran's side either, in case it sounded that way.  But Iran has evolved since the 70's and 80's.  I have much more respect for them now then when I was younger.  I don't think that they would do something like that again.  But that's all opinion.

[EUR_Zaitsev]

Well thanks above for the name correction, all these B types but any way You say you thought Iran was worse when you were younger thats because of the hostage situation at which pointwe gave IRAQ some billions of dollars to fight Iran butthey didnt spend it all and we wonder where they got the weapons they have today? From Us.  There are like 4 posts on the same topic but still Bucc I havent heard you explain yourself because you did say its stupid

ITS STUPID TO GET PEACE WITH VIOLENCE

and thats exactly what your beloved Bush is doing. And you said it in the post above and if you cant explain it then your views are QUITE oxymoronic and contradictory