global issue poll

[Geek USA]

bush gets elected, even though the majority of americans did not want him as our president. out of nowhere we pick a fight with iraq and iran and north korea and whoever the hell else. we threaten to annihilate them if they dont give us their nukes and weapons and whatever else they may or may not have. 9/11 attacks come, and everyones suprised. war is declared on an enemy which can never be defeated: terrorism. government begins taking away basic rights under laws that are disguised with patriotic names, using 9/11 as its excuse. bombs are dropped on small countries, minor victories are declared but nothing is gained. the terrorists have are either dealt with or hiding.

so the governments like, ok, no more terrorists. i guess that means no more war... which means no more distracting the american public.. which means no more unconstitutional laws.. no more drilling in alaska... less restrictions on lumber companies... less restrictions on how gasoline burns... less tax cuts for the rich... more aid for the poor... no more turning down international agreements that will make the planet cleaner and safer for our children... pissed off companies that supported our campaign so we could make laws to save them money... OH CHRIST! bush's reelection might be at stake! it will take us years to find someone else who is dumb enough to be our puppet! do something! quick!

rather then admiting to failure and giving up powers only granted to bush during war and other emergencies, we turn to iraq and north korea. we demand they have weapons and are plotting against us. we demand they let us into their country so we can find their weapons and plans. they let us in, nothing is found. end of story? no, now we say we are going to attack them and overthrow their government if they dont stop hiding stuff from us. they are left with 3 choices: do nothing and be attacked, come up with stuff to show us and be attacked for having it, or go down fighting. if you were iraq or north korea which would you do? fight? of course you would! its either that or get your ass kicked anyway. lets think.. how would you take down a country like america? hmm... oh! i know! strike them where they are unprotected! ok, seeing how our militarys suck, whats the most effective way to do this? terrorism!

ok, north korea is smart and realized they are fucked either way. they offer peace agreements, anything to stop america from unleashing its almighty "peacekeeping" force upon them. so what do we do? decline their offers! duh! i mean, we havnt had a problem with them in YEARS and  they dont even have enough money to replace downed power lines.. of course they are plotting against us! right!?

we have created terrorists to have a war with. the media only covers the most important topics in order to have enough time for their sponsors to adveratise. lets see, shal we cover war, or trees? war, or the national wildlife reserves in alaska? you get the picture. our governments owning us, one step at a time. are you willing to fight and die for an oil company? how about for a lumber company? or how about for bush's reelection? no? i didnt think so.

im not saying we should all go buy hippie vans and make flower necklaces between hits from the peace pipe, but it sure as hell seems like our war on terrorism has gained a whole new meaning. if we were interested stopping terrorism, we would probobly be looking in pakistan where journalists have reported on obvious signs of alquida (however its spelled) operations and where osoma bin laden action figures are being sold to children.

[kami]

Amen Geek, I can do nothing but agree with ya!

[Casper]

I think Bush should be impeached!!!!


Sorry im Sick

[AK_Rap1d]

Wow, only 6 words, and Casper still managed to misspell one...

This new war can greatly be thanked to the Bush's.  Also the fact that we have "Power, wealth & freedom", eats other countries alive that can't get it together with their economy and social lives...  Of course when we try to help them, they get offended as if they don't need our help...   Then there's the bullies that take advantage of our free aid, by capturing it and profiting off it...  Then there's the ones that are disgusted with our "ways of living", yet they live in homes made out of Adobe and dirt floors and streets...

Of course the Bush's mean no harm, and only want protection to our people, but damn, it seems we got too many people around the world wanting to be "Bush"(USA) with Nuclear Weapons and "Power"...  

It's just that we've established our power for the good of the better, while others are using it to bully others into getting things they want...

That's my easiest way of explaining it to others...

In a perfect world, everybody can negotiate in peace, and the wealthy are quick to be very giving to the more needed ones without hesitation in all situations...

In other words, everybody working together to better everybody as a whole...

Of course we don't live in a perfect world, and there's always somebody that wants to be better than everybody else...

Just the Human Instinct in us...

[kami]

Actually the US are the ones with the bad economy right now.

[Mattster]

Wow, only 6 words, and Casper still managed to misspell one...

This is a prime example in how Rapid starts flame wars. Also, yes we should pull our heads off and yes bush should be impeached.

[*DAMN Snake]

    First off the US is right not wrong, there are sevral chem factories the countries have taken sadlite pictures of, all on big rigs. another country have intercepted iraq officers talking and handed the evdince to US. they were talking back and fourth about a upgraded truck for war. then they go on about the UN inspectors. then the under ranked person asked the officer, "and what do we do with the nerve gass?"
8 countries signed a paper saying they are behind US, and they will aid us if we attack or they will attack there slefs if we do nothing. Germany and france are two countries that say no against attack. France said no to attacking germany in WW2, they said they wanted to see a "smoking gun" there smoking gun was germany rolling through paris.
    north korea is a bunch of asses, we said we would build 2 nuke power plants, they said we are behind and kicked out UN inspectors, and said they would resume nuke factories... so why it's are buissness?  well korea is poor as you all know, and they want money. if they make  nukes they will sell the nukes to anyone... terror, iraq, russia... you all say US is wrong, but when colen powel or bush comes on and proves to the US there is nukes and chem weapons you will change your tune.

[*(SPU) mono]

lol selling nukes to russia?? omg be serious. russia got more than enough of 'em ... they were the other super-power, remember? problem is that in fact there are so many, and after the break-up of the CCCP and with their army in such bad shape, that not all of them can be accounted for! (which is a serious problem, at least as serious as iraq or NK (i'd say much more serious) in regards to the non-proliferation issue)

[cookie]

out of nowhere we pick a fight with iraq and iran and north korea and whoever the hell else.

First, as I recall North Korea was the one who was threatening us. Second, we aren't doing jack shit to them right now. We aren't doing anything to Iran, either. Now the Iraq issue.. that speaks for itself. Otherwise, refer to Colin Powells speech.

rather then admiting to failure and giving up powers only granted to bush during war and other emergencies, we turn to iraq and north korea. we demand they have weapons and are plotting against us. we demand they let us into their country so we can find their weapons and plans. they let us in, nothing is found.

Holy shit, like I said, we have done NOTHING about North Korea. We haven't demanded their weapons, nor have we tried to send any inspectors in. Plus, even if we wanted to there is damn good reason: they ARE threatening us.  And about the whole no evidence found thing about Iraq, dear god, did you hear Powells speech AT ALL? they have tape, video, pictures, insiders... they found steel rods that are specially made to be used in building a nuke. w-t-f.

to be continued...

[The Ghost of Bondo]

Yeah, the US is wrong and stuff.  Head definately needs to come out of ass...and I'm not just talking about last night's hot gay sex.

[Casper]

Your right Bondo.


and I'm not just talking about last night's hot gay sex.
Except about that. That is Fucking disgusting Go back to Canada!

[*(SPU) mono]

lol flies same happened to me ... damn but i never can resist  

[BTs_Colin]

Is Hussein still using his money to finance a government against its own people?

Your right maybe I shouldn't worry because those chemical missiles aren't after Canada they are for the Kurds in the north. If it ain't me why should I care?

Regardless, I still think the US shouldn't be the UN gopher. I'd like to see some of the other UN members defend the integrity of the UN rather then the US.

[cookie]

Fuck the UN.

I say this not out of support for war, or bush.. or even goddamn saddam. I say this because they have proved themselves good for nothing. I respect what they TRY to stand for, but all the UN ever does is go "Oh man, that sucks.. we should umm, do something" and never does shit.  Oh no! Human rights abuses! But what does the UN do? Nothing.

anyway, about saddam:
Colin Powell is perhaps the only voice of reason I listen to right now in our government... and it seems like not a single person here saw the damning evidence presented against Saddam Hussain by him on NATIONAL TV, which was also broadcasted all over the world. Hussain has nuke building materials, he has chemical weapons which he instructed his troops to use, he has diseases he's waiting to unleash on you all.. unmanned airplanes with a 300 mile range capable or spraying agents over all your unwitting heads. This, which is only very little of all the presented evidence, is enough to prove that he is a threat. I guess you guys didn't hear the part about him testing all sorts of nerve agents on little schoolgirls, who were strapped down and experimented on just because they were deaf. Does this sound like a man you want in power? I mean really, if you want to let him keep torturing his own people and building up his weapons to use on you, fine, let him be. But if you have half a brain, you'd realize if we don't do something... we are shoving the dust under the carpet. Haven't we done enough of that? I think so.

Anyway, I'd also like to say this: I vehemently oppose nuking/ extensive bombing of Iraq. I hate death, I hate war in general.. but I do believe that the time for lip service is over and to end the human rights abuses, and to make the world a better place, we need to do this.  I think that we need to do what we did in Afghanistan: drop pamphlets clarifying our reason to be there. Then, mobilize ground forces, be discriminate in seeking out the enemy, and do what needs to be done: remove hussein. This may be painstaking, even impossible, but if the UN and the US banded together to do so it wouldn't be such a daunting task.

And now, about Europe:
I love Europe, it's a wonderful place, but some of you give it a bad name. Many of the euros on GR act like stuck up, "holier than thou" assholes about the US.   You don't see me smack talking about your country everytime it does something wrong. I'd also hate to remind you all where you'd all be without US intervention in things. Anyhow, I'm likely going to be spending my next year in Germany, and I certaintly hope people are more open minded than most of you.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Good Luck Cookie.  You ever want to see something funny, get in a room with a bunch of Germans and Brit's.  If they are older, they will end up at opposite ends of the room.  Still a lot of bad blood there.

For those of you that think Bush should be impeached.  Go back to school and read what that means and how it happens.  I really, really don't like Bush, but don't be an idiot and talk about impeaching.  What US law has he broken while in office?

To Geek, first, I've said this many times.  Thinking that war may be necessary is not blindly backing Bush.  Yes, Georgie boy is doing us a great disservice (to put it beyond mild) in his lumber and oil policies (which is why I have always hated him).  He cares little for the ecology, and has proven it time and time again.  But that has nothing to do with Iraq, the Taliban or North Korea.  Yes, he's playing the same smoke and mirrors game that Clinton and Bush senior did, pointing to the bad guy everytime they didn't want people to focus on them.  But that doesn't mean the bad guy isn't bad.

Bush should be flogged on the White House lawn for what he's doing to our ecology.  But that has nothing to do with ANY of the other things you talked about.  And, like Cookie said, you got them wrong.  Saddam should be shot for the ecological problems he's caused (don't forget setting the oil fields afire 10 years ago).

Ok, at the risk of looking like Rapid, I'm going to say this nice and big for you.

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Stop being idiots and attacking a war on Iraq like it is a Bush thing.  Not liking Bush is no reason to ignore the possible threat that is Iraq.  Not wanting the death of innocent people isn't a reason either, because who do you think Saddam will use those weapons against (if he has them)?  Hasn't he already used them to kill thousands of innocents in the past?
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So Geek, Bush being a complete asshole and fucking up our ecology and our country in these ways has NOTHING to do with Iraq or North Korea.  

[kami]

Firstly I would like to say this, I have no idea why but recently I've kind of been sucked into a leftist opinion about everything, I have no idea why, might just be to piss some people of in the Construct, but I see clearly now! I haven't suddenly become a republican or something like that but my opinions have stabilized to be a bit more rational I think. Having that said I'll try to vent my new rational opinions.

I do not think that the US is out after Iraq's ass because of oil, frankly it would be a bad idea to go to war if oil was the only matter since it would lower the oil price in the world etc. etc. The only countries who are motivated by oil are France, Russia and China since they've got oil contracts with Saddam that would be useless if he was removed, and they wouldn't want that would they.

A war on Iraq is fully justified but if the US would do so alone and undermine the UN, then we could all be looking at a very scary unstable world situation. They have done a lot of good, it's foolish to think that they have accomplished nothing in the way of peace keeping and helping people in misery. The UN exists to stabilize the world and it is the best thing we have, perhaps it's not good enough but what can you do about that? Nothing. The whole world is represented in the UN and it's the best tool we've got.

I think Bush is a fool for what he has said and for what he has done to the US economy and ecology, you might think that it's not of my concern being Swedish and all, but it is, the US economy affects the whole world. And I also think he's a fool for having stated that NK was a part of the big ?Axis of Evil?, I think that might really have pissed them off and perhaps have made everything escalate into the situation we now have in NK. Diplomacy is a delicate thing, you might not like it but it is what it is.

I'll continue some other day, getting a headache.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

I am not going to drag myself into this conversation, because quite frankly I don't have the time to bring out the whooping stick on many of you.

However, I will correct one thing that I saw Kami make...

North Korea restarted their weapons program in the late 1990's under the Clinton administration, and they recently admitted to it in private with officials from the US. When they admitted it to us (we had suspected it for a while) we decided to publicly halt heavy oil shipments to North Korea, seeing that they had blatantly violated the "Agreed Framework." Once this happened, NK publicly denied admitting a weapons program to us (even though everyone know they are lying) and they are using this scenario as a domestic propaganda plank to divert attention away from troubles at home.

So, they are now restarting their NUclear reactor because they "need the energy" even thought he reactor they are starting only produces 5kw/hr energy (very little). IN addition to restarting this facility that is more likely to be used for fissile material, they are removing spent fuel rods (only purpose would be to enrich into weapons grade material, cant reuse for reactor) from their facility after they kicked UN inspectors out and broke the protective seals placed on them.

So in conclusion, the "Axis of Evil" association practically had nothing to do with what is going on today with North Korea...if anything, Bush was correct in his assertation of the three countries (Iraq, Iran, North Korea). If you want to see something else interesting, Iran announced that it had a Nuclear program running for "civilian use" even though they are going to keep the spent fuel rods instead of returning them to Russia...the saga continues. So before you all go bashing Bush, look back to what he said and you will see that it basically has come true.

[*DAMN Bander]

*stands up and applaudes towards Geek USA*

word man. i will print this out and stick it on my wall if i am angry on "the emericans" again hope isnt lost at all ~

@all others:

the most of the rest of the postings here was just the usual fukc.
if people of your style would lead your goverment even arabs would side with you and fight against any REAL agressor when proven by "ah damn useless U.N." where - again - the U.S. is(!) a important PART of. so if it IS useless then YOU are useless too.

but its only useless for U.S. goverment cuz its doesnt want saction to go to war right NOW and for THESE reasons.

bah - i am out of here taking the words of geek with me.
well spoken, damn!

Bander

p.s.:

fuck bush! (see funny: 4 ketters each. muahaha)

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Bander, you really do disgust me.

You are the a-typical ugly european, spreading hate towards the USA for no real reasons.  Geek was right on the mark that Bush is an asshole for what he's done to the future ecology of our nation/world.  But he was also completely off in his rants about North Korea and Iraq, and connecting them all into one big ball.

Nothing is that simple except for some of your minds (bander).

PS

Hating Americans for things our Government has done is like us hating "germans" for what Hitler did.  Do you deserve that stigma?  Well you may Bander, but does the rest of Germany or Austria?  You spread way too much hate Bander.  You are as bad as anyone you disaprove of.

[EUR_Zaitsev]

Buccaneer that comparison was pshyco. Aside from the fact that a German diplomat said Bush used "Hitler-like" foriegn policy which is pretty serious to say in Germany that was just stupid. Our government changes every time a republican or democrat re takes the office for thier party and thus the change in government is Bush's fault. If that guy ummm Shroder had been in charge for 55 years then yes it could be on Hitler but since niether of those sceemes make sense....your wrong. Although war is inevitable and you and bush think it will stop war  I gurentee you that we will be attacked if we attack Iraq. Eqyptians were cheering for Bin Laden ONLY because of our actions in the middle east. Our allies and Neutrals drop by the day INCLUDING your beloved people in the UN. People in other countries are smarter then ignorent americans on this one and an attack in Iraq will sign a death warrent for our own people via terror attack.