War on Iraq: Bush is gettin pwned

[EUR_Zaitsev]

Abe maybe if you remembered Desert Storm that would be better. Scud misslies fell on Isreal because Iraq has been trying to bait Isrealinto a war so that the Arab
Nations will join together in defense of and Arab country to the US put those "Great" PAtriot missiles in Isreals defense and they were less then workable. If we nuke
Saddam which "hasnt been ruled out yet" then I will move from the US

[j-rocc]

the USA is earning much more money with irak, than france and germany(wich made oil-contracts with irak long before bush junior)....
so why they should support the US?
irak is  an commercial for the US-army,(oil of course), ..you have to destroy the infrastructure, after that you build it up with companies from the west, and so you have a new market for economie-grow...

Thats the same system the US used for europe after 2nd worldwar.....
but now europe is bigger than the US, and they wan't their  bigger "portion"...but they don't get enough to share....so why france and others should support the us?

[BTs_Colin]

Why is everyone so ignorant?

j-rocc you are right. France doesn't have to support the US.

France has to support the UN.

[j-rocc]

Why is everyone so ignorant?

j-rocc you are right. France doesn't have to support the US.

France has to support the UN.

face the reality..........the UN is an organisation payed by the US and EU

need i say more?

nothing can stop the irak-war, except the US-nation would be against the war......but they can't make their own opinion because of CNN and junior.....

maybe the next  US-elections will stop the war.......

[|MP|Buccaneer]

face the reality..........the UN is an organisation payed by the US and EU

I thought the US was way behind in it's dues to the UN?  Did we pay up and I missed it??

need i say more?

Hell yes, because you haven't backed anything you said so far.

nothing can stop the irak-war, except the US-nation would be against the war

No, Iraq can stop the war by doing what it agreed to do as well.

.....but they can't make their own opinion because of CNN and junior.....

Oh, and you can make your own opinions, but we can't.  I see.  Thank you for opening my eyes to the brainwashing that has been done to me with your fine examples.  Bullshit.  I'm sick and fucking tired of Europeans telling me I'm brainwashed just because I don't agree with them.  I'm sick and fucking tired of Europeans accusing me of just getting my information from Bush, CNN or other biased media.  I can read (and do) news from all over.  It doesn't mean I have to agree with you.  By using those stereotypes you are just proving yourself to be as dumb as the stereotypes you are mocking.

[abe]

Abe maybe if you remembered Desert Storm that would be better.

zaitzev, if you tried not talking to me like an im an asshole, that would be even better. you are 15, right? don't patronize people that are older than you and have probably spent a lot more time than you on the subjet. im not going to make you look a fool by quoting some of your earlier statements, but next time you want to make a point and you address me by name, change your tone or you will be assed. if you talk to me like an asshole, however, i will respond like an asshole. just ask weaksauce (aka bondo).

Scud misslies fell on Isreal because Iraq has been trying to bait Isrealinto a war so that the Arab
Nations will join together in defense of and Arab country to the US put those "Great" PAtriot missiles in Isreals defense and they were less then workable

i dont know what context you are saying this in (a quote would be nice), but i am guessing you are saying that a war will cause regional instability. israel is currently testing (with the US) a local missle umbrella that is far better than the patriot missles (which are actually SAMs) and preparing their population for a possible chemical attack. israel will most certainly respond to such an attack, but not to a limited conventional with scud missles if the US doesnt want them to(they didnt respond in 1990).

saddam hussein might think that if israel attacks him all the other arab countries will come to his defense, but hes his evidently delusional. at the time of the gulf war, the US didnt want israel to respond to the scuds because they wanted to keep the arab countries in the anti-saddam coalition and not because they thought syria and saudi arabia would defend saddam if israel attack him. those to counties hate saddam too, remember. pan-arabism was dead in 1990, as it pretty much is today, and saddam hussein has actually don more to kill it than any other arab leader. in my opinion it was a lost cause anyway, but that is a different issue.

[j-rocc]

Oh, and you can make your own opinions, but we can't.  I see.  Thank you for opening my eyes to the brainwashing that has been done to me with your fine examples.  Bullshit.  I'm sick and fucking tired of Europeans telling me I'm brainwashed just because I don't agree with them.  I'm sick and fucking tired of Europeans accusing me of just getting my information from Bush, CNN or other biased media.  I can read (and do) news from all over.  It doesn't mean I have to agree with you.  By using those stereotypes you are just proving yourself to be as dumb as the stereotypes you are mocking.

propaganda is a hard thing ....especialy when your living in a country wich goes to war....your right I don't life in this country and i can't make the same opinion you have..
but i life in a country wich is responisble for the 2! worldwars...and the damnfucking hell i do!  know what an influence propaganda could have....

the UN isn't directly! payed by the US an EU , but the UN wouldn't exist without them....
In other words: who cares about the UN?(everyone besides the USA)...it's just for TV..
meanwhile the hole world should know the US gonna attack irak ANYWAY...so why waisting dicussions on the UN??

but you're also damnfucking right when you say i should shut up!!..as an european im under the (nearly) same system as you(after 2ndworldwar the USA used the bad situation of europe to flood our marked with US products and companies->US economy-grow ....thats also called the cocacola-system)..the same sytem is now used on the irak...saddam=hitler...middleeast=europe....
so i have to shut up beacause europe isn't participated with this war!I just wanted to give an objective view of the situation
...i gues i was drunk or something.... sorry

hopefully this isn't gonna be the3rd worldwar........(somehow it looks like)

[|MP|Buccaneer]

There should be a breathalizer test for posting sometimes.

[EUR_Zaitsev]

Abe I dont need your bullshit intimidations to tell me what to say and what not to say. Fine your not an asshole but your views are crazy. The Patriot missiles are out of date, they mis-functioned in Desert Storm and they will agian. Im not scared of  your threats of embarassment and the reason for that is your simply wrong, Attacking Iraq will not solve anything, Isreal is not perfect, they commit attrocities as well and Patriot missiles are just payment for keeping Isreal from taking Iraqs baiting of war. You could be older but you are not smarter on the subject and you have a corrupted view on the world. Im not even gonna bother with a flame war with you because I wont stoop down to your leval and I know they I am right when it comes to how to perserve world peace and no quotation of my past remarks will change that

[abe the babe]

k, zaitzev you asked for it really badly there....here we go:

ITS STUPID TO GET PEACE WITH VIOLENCE

nope, to me what is stupid is to assume that, in our world,  you can live in peace and security, without being willing to use force to protect yourself and your interests when it is neccesary. it is naive to assume otherwise....and, well you are pretty naive.

Nobody curses the KKK anymore, Nobody looks at United States immigration laws (basically blacks cant get in from other countries even after touching Soil).

are you a moron? go to google and look up the southern poverty law center and see if noone "curses the KKK" anymore. they may have better ways of denouncing and prosecuting the clan than "cursing" them and calling them 'big meanies', but don't say that noone cares about the clan...
as for our immigration laws. touching american soil doesnt mean shit and hasent for decades (ever heard of the term illegal immigrants?), unless you are cuban. and guess what, shithead? many cubans are black. south asians, east asians, russians, south americans and people of lots of different colors, genders, creeds, sexual orientations etc. all get turned down at out borders, so don't make it sound like where singling out africans or carribean people.

Bosnia- Wait didnt we put all the different religons there?

The list goes on

 that is too dumb to even respond to. what the fuck does america have to do with somthing thats been going on in the balkans for almost 1300 years?bah, id like to see the rest of your list. vietnam and grenada are good examples of bad US foreign policy moves but you even screwed those up.

and now to your latest pile of warm brainless parakeet adolescent bullshit. the patriot missles are not out of date. the SCUD-B missles saddam has are. second, the patriot missles are actually SAMs and meant for shooting down airplanes. in the gulf war they were used as ad-hoc missle interceptors to protect saudi arabia, israel and turkey and did a suprisingly good (admittedly not perfect) job of destroying the SCUDs (which are pretty much crap, even if modified or bundled together). why wouldnt they do as well this time? maybe because saddam has better missles than he is allowed and chemical warheads to put on them? but that would mean that he IS in fact a threat as ive been saying all along, so you probably wont admit that. which one is it zaitzev??

next, in my last post i wasnt even talking about the patriot, but about the arrow, which israel has been developing with help from the US. go look that up too.

attacking iraq will not solve everything, but it will solve some things ( im not gonna repeat what). i never said israel was perfect (no country is) and we don't need to give isreal any payment in patriot missles for anything. they are a loyal ally and we give them a hell of a lot of weapons and money so they buy out weapons, anyways (there was a thread about this recently)

i am older than you. i never said i was smarter just that ive been researching and thinking about this stuff longer than you thats all. i didnt say that meant my opinions are better than yours (they are obviously better informed), i just said that you, as a 15 year old, should not berate me the way you did and at least listen to what i have to say.

my views are crazy and i have a corrupted view of the world? why? because i go to college or because i read the newspaper? your views are naive, uninformed and kinda jump-on-the-bandwagonish, if you ask me. i suggest you "stoop down" to my level and take others peoples opinions seriously, then back your views with facts to show that you now what youre talking about.

you my freind are not only ignorant, but also arrogant.

I am right when it comes to how to perserve world peace and no quotation of my past remarks will change that

don't you think its a little cocky for a 15-year old to think he knows better than, not only people in this forum, but the people in the security council and the US state department as well?

i gave you a warning so i wouldnt have to do this, zaitsev, but you choose to not give a shit and just go right for the red. when i was 15 my opinions were probably a lot like yours. the difference was that when other people had somthing to say, i listened and took them seriously instead of patronizing them with my "superior" understanding of the situation.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Zaitsev, how can anyone think your world views are right, when all the "facts" you spout off about them are so utterly wrong?

Really, answer this honestly now.  Where did you get your information that Patriot Missiles were a failure?  Was this the same place that you got your information that England came to America's aid in the French Indian Wars?

I call you a sock puppet because it seems to me like you overhear these arguments, probably from people you respect, and without having any idea if they are right or wrong, you repeat them here.

Whaterver the source, you are truely a child of propoganda.  Not only do you have your basic history all mixed up and wrong (all the time), but you completely ignore that, like the "facts" being wrong have no influence on your arguments or opinions whatsoever.  You show all the signs of being a non-thinking liberal zealot (as opposed to a non-thinking conservative zealot, aka a traffic cop   )

Abe hit all the main points.  Patriot Missiles were a success, even if not perfect (but what ever is).  And what makes you think that they haven't been improved upon in over 10 years (besides the fact that you seem to think we can do nothing right)?

[EUR_Zaitsev]

To My it is stupid to use violence to acheive peace- I stand by this comment. Basic princepal of leadership is to lead by example. As the self proclaimed leaders of the world shouldnt we lead by example. Our nation wouldnt have to defend ourselves with violence if in stead of buying missiles and placing them in the middle east we helped sickness and disease ravaged Iraq. If our billions went to food for the poor rather then the Cruise Missiles that hit the poor then there would be no violence to defend out country.

Nobody Curses the KKK anymore...etc quote- Sure people curse the KKK yea but lets not look at this literally. Lets look at it from the perspective it was meant to come from. When was the last time the KKK was denounced in the news? When was the last time people put up commercials against the KKK? It doesnt happen and I will tell you why, its because the rich right wing people who put up the ads dont give a rats ass about who gets hung ESPECIALLY if its a minority. Nobody says it any more but millions know it underlyingly. Much, not all, but much of the upper class in America hates minorities such as those targeted by the KKK.

Bosnia quote- In the balance of power of Europe pre world war one nobody did anything about the Balkins. There was racial tensions there forever and when the US along side England laid out plans of balancing power not only did they not remember Germany but they looked right past the Balkins which everyone knew was a hot spot. German Chancelor Von Bis marc was quoted as saying the next war will come out of the "damn balkins" and we knew it to and us and our allies we did nothing. So yes the comment was worded wrong but its not like Im a moron on the subject.

World Peace- Where was our beloved state department and intellegence agencies before 9-11? They sure as hell werent doing the job we thought they were. The reason is simple, and it runs through our schools right up to college. All our history books are white washed. In my school there was 1 paragraph alloted to Cambodia, Grenada, the middle east. Then we think that we have "randomly" been attacked on 9-11 and thats just not true. Our foriegn policies, especially in the Middle East, gets us into trouble and those random acts all come from a root such as our aggressive actions in Iraq a decade ago and such as our stone walling of Afganistan once USSR broke up. We can tell ourselves our history is clean and that we are randomly picked on but its quite clear to me at least that the US washes its hands in blood every day and once we acknowledge that we can start really saving our own civilians lives.

Any other things you would like me to clear up Abe or Bucc?

[EUR_Zaitsev]

http://the-tech.mit.edu/V112/N13/china.13w.html

<>Crazy facts from....THE BBC
The Patriot was widely used in the Gulf War but is not credited with hitting any incoming Iraqi missiles.

<>Crazy Facts in...The U.S. Congress:
a. Summary.-The Patriot missile system was not the spectacular success in the Persian Gulf War that the American public was led to believe. There is little evidence to prove that the Patriot hit more than a few Scud missiles launched by Iraq during the Gulf War, and there are some doubts about even these engagements. The public and the Congress were misled by definitive statements of success issued by administration and Raytheon representatives during and after the war. It is probable that many of the individuals giving such statements, including the President of the United States and Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf, were not aware at the time that the claims of success were false.

read more @http://www.radix.net/~jcturner/patriot.html


So yes, as you clearly see here I did my homework and I presented facts that both have very high levals of credibility and I hope you will re-establish your position on the matter. Anymore questions?

[EUR_Zaitsev]

Bucc's Glorius Quotations, Remember your the one who started throwing the dirt


1. Nipponese-
Well thats pretty self explanitory, what you had a meeting on funny racial comments with Trent Lott?

2. Teddy would have nuked Iraq? Speak softly carry a  big stick?

Well that quotation is opened to interpretation but for you to say we should nuke Iraq and at the same time your reason is that they have Nukes, I just dont understand. Because they have something horrible we should use that horrible thing on them? Why not read the book Hiroshima about the skin sliding off the people, the babies who would never walk, but wait, they are just nipponese arent they?

3. The tax guys issue with Bondo. Yes those flying on the right wing of the plane need to understand this equation

 WAR = Spending and LOWER TAXES = LOWE BUDGET and those two clash. You cant expect to save more money and kill more people. Though Im sure bucc you wish you could, Im sorry, it just doenst work like that.

AND SO YOU SEE BUCC, two can play the flame war game, though I prefer not to if you insist upon it I can play it.
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Abe, unfortunetly you dont have an account and most of your entries seem pretty credible but there are two things. The first is there is no need to start a flame war Im sure we can handle our differences in opinion in a mature manner but when I say something the whole "DONT GO THERE GIRLFRIEND BECAUSE ILL SPILL ALLL YOUR SHIT" attitude just doesnt fly.

Secondly on the Saudi thing I mean yea its unfair but so is the USA having nukes and other countries not. Its a shitty world we live in and for you to single out Saudi Arabia like that? I mean I dont see people posting shit about Emmitt Tills and his killers being found innocent or about the daily public lynchings in the south I mean It goes on everywhere and I for one dont support the concept of making a topic on the account of an injustice of the world. Perhaps it was just a form of spam.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

)OK, time to open it up a little more.  He just doesn't seem able to get it.

As the self proclaimed leaders of the world shouldnt we lead by example. Our nation wouldnt have to defend ourselves with violence if in stead of buying missiles and placing them in the middle east we helped sickness and disease ravaged Iraq. If our billions went to food for the poor rather then the Cruise Missiles that hit the poor then there would be no violence to defend out country.

Assumption 1, we are self-proclaimed leaders of the world.  I wouldn't say that.  I would say that we are one of the leading world powers and influences.  "one of" being very important words there.

So, you are saying that if we just tried to ship food and supplies, tried to help people we would never need to buy another missile?  Back that up.  I'm calling BULLSHIT.  We send food and supplies all over the world, all the time.  For the most part, we get NO RESPECT for it.  We get blasted for witholding it (you didn't give when you could have, no matter what the reasons, you are bad).

And if you think that would erase the need for defense, you are just really really blind.  No good deed ever goes unpunished (yes, I wrote that right).  How many of the great peace talkers survive?  Really?  How many of the truely peaceful leaders survived and thrived?  Ghandi?  Rev Martin Luther King Jr?  Keep going.  Find me a leader that thought peace was the only way, that didn't think defense was necessary, that didn't get burned down by something evil.  Fuckers even shoot the Pope (and it wasn't the first time).  It is just a fact that there are evil people in the world.  And if the USA were lead by someone that thought we no longer needed an army, or missiles or defense, it wouldn't last very long before someone moved in and took over.  Why?  Because not everyone is good.  And you have to protect yourself from evil.  And you'd have countries that could help, but would decide not to (*cough*France*cough*) because it wasn't their problem, or they don't want to escilate it.

Lets look at it from the perspective it was meant to come from.

Hey dumbass, try putting some context around it in the first place.  You are the king of pulling out statements without adding context around them.  (can someone tell me the queen?  )

[|MP|Buccaneer]

When was the last time the KKK was denounced in the news? When was the last time people put up commercials against the KKK? It doesnt happen and I will tell you why, its because the rich right wing people who put up the ads dont give a rats ass about who gets hung ESPECIALLY if its a minority. Nobody says it any more but millions know it underlyingly. Much, not all, but much of the upper class in America hates minorities such as those targeted by the KKK.

So, I saw this ad tonight while watching the Red Wings game.  It was from "The Freedom Counsil" I think.  Showed two guys interviewing a latino man.  After he left, the one guy says "well, I think he has all the skills we are looking for", the second guy says something like "well, we already have enough color around here", and tosses the resume in the trash can.  He calls out to his asian looking secretary and asks who's next.  The first guy reaches into the trash, un-crumples the resume, and says something like "I think you should have a look at this one".  

Would that qualify as a commercial against the KKK that never gets on TV?  Or does that "upper class that hates minorities" allow these and only stops the ones that say "KKK" in them?  

Oh, last time I saw the KKK make the news was in a hate crime on the local news.  Just some KKK member that had blown away a couple of black (affrican american if you like) employees at a pizza place.  He was from Howell (which actually has a strong KKK faction).  But that probably doesn't count, because it wasn't focused on the group, just the crime.

So let's talk about this for a second.  Why should you put comercials on against the KKK.  You don't want to spread hatrid towards a group, that's what they do.  What you want to do is put on ads that show why biggotry is wrong, don't you?  After all, the KKK is a group like any other in the USA.  If you believe in our first ammendment, then they have the right to exist and voice their opinions, like any other group, from neo-nazi's to greenpeace to the ACLU.  Or is it ok to hate those groups you don't agree with (but, gosh, then you would be acting JUST LIKE THEM).  So, you want to show ads that point out hate and how to stop it, not specifically the KKK.  

And technically, I am insulted by your representation of the upper class.  Technically, I am one.  I make over $100k a year and have a graduate degree (which puts me up in those single digit percentage).  You are saying I don't care?  Does that mean I can't be a minority?  

I'll put a bottom line to this part of the thread.  Not only are you a dumbass, you are just as stupid as the average member of the KKK.  You point your finger at a group and hang blame for problems on them and spew false facts in your hate.  (in this case, the upper class).

[|MP|Buccaneer]

Bosnia quote- In the balance of power of Europe pre world war one nobody did anything about the Balkins. There was racial tensions there forever and when the US along side England laid out plans of balancing power not only did they not remember Germany but they looked right past the Balkins which everyone knew was a hot spot. German Chancelor Von Bis marc was quoted as saying the next war will come out of the "damn balkins" and we knew it to and us and our allies we did nothing. So yes the comment was worded wrong but its not like Im a moron on the subject.

If you weren't a moron on the subject, then you would know that the US didn't agree with the post WW1 layout of Europe in many ways.  That it wasn't England and the USA reshaping the map as much as it was the countries that were ravaged by WW1.  You keep putting way too much of the blame on the USA, like we were the super-power back then.  When the USA entered into WW1, most of Europe thought our troops were going to be a joke.  The USA hasn't been structuring the world since the 14th or 16th or 18th centuries even.  To hold the USA responsible for the crap that has gone on there would be like holding England responsible for the mistreatment of affrican americans in the 70's, because they allowed slavery in the colonies in the first place.  It's BULLSHIT.  Tell me this.  Why don't the people there, killing each other, share in any of the responsibility?  Why is it anyone elses fault?  Who forced them to start killing?  Dumbass.

In my school there was 1 paragraph alloted to Cambodia, Grenada, the middle east.

Man, that explains much about why you know so little.  You go to a really shitty school.  In my Junior High School, I had one 10 week class that did nothing but talk about Viet Nam.  One hour a day, for 10 weeks.  More then one book.  I had a 20 week class on European History in 8th grade.  I had another 10 week class that just talked about 20th centurary conflicts and their causes (this was before Grenada and Panama and a bunch of other shit).  But it did cover some of the Central American conflicts that you don't mention.  Get your parents to send you to private school or something, because it's not our fault that your school sucks so much ass.  One important thing to remember.  Just because your education seems to suck, don't think that everyone else in the USA's is just as bad.  I also don't expect everyone to be so lucky as to have teachers that were both in the war and protesting it so I got to see it from many sides.  That was just the luck of my age.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

http://the-tech.mit.edu/V112/N13/china.13w.html

<>Crazy facts from....THE BBC
The Patriot was widely used in the Gulf War but is not credited with hitting any incoming Iraqi missiles.

Now that one is truely crazy.  Because all the evidence shown in your link points to the credit being exagerated.  So, since it was credited with 100% at one time, and I've seen nothing to show a 0% success, showing the BBC say it's not credited is BULLSHIT.  It was credited, you can just argue with HOW MANY it should have been credited with, based upon those later facts.

So yes, as you clearly see here I did my homework and I presented facts that both have very high levals of credibility and I hope you will re-establish your position on the matter. Anymore questions?

You looked up a reference, and posted it here, I'll give you credit for that.  What you don't get credit for is your slant on the data.

The way I read that article:

a) that based upon the way it's measured, it could be as low as 9%.
b) that so many SCUDS broke up and were duds, you can't tell if the patriots made a difference.
c) that there were many gaps in the data, and analysis could not be performed.
d) the army used the people that sell the things to report their success (a dumbass move there)
e) because of how shitty the SCUDS were, and how shitty hits were measured, success and failure can't really be determined by the gulf war.

In a nutshell, this says that you can't tell if the patriots worked well or not, because they didn't have a good method to determine it.  The first results were based off the fact that the SCUDS didn't hit and detonate on target, but that is wrong because many of them broke up and were duds anyway.  It also calls for more testing.

Since this was from right after the Gulf War, I'd love to see more recent information and follow up.  Where is that in your homework Zaitsev?

Based on this article, I can't call the Patriots a huge success based on the Gulf War.  But you can't use it to say they were a failure either.  Why?  Because it says their estimates can be off if you read it.  They just didn't measure it right, so any conclusions based on that evidence are tainted.  Yours and mine.

But you didn't touch the part about why don't you think they have been improved in the last 10 years?  And what did your homework tell you about that?

[|MP|Buccaneer]

BOY HOWDY, now the real fun starts!

1. Nipponese-
Well thats pretty self explanitory, what you had a meeting on funny racial comments with Trent Lott?

What, you took lessons in racial slurs from Bondo?  Nippon and Nipponese are not racial slurs, I think that's been established.  

So the only thing I find self explanitory there is that you can't read and are a dumbass.

2. Teddy would have nuked Iraq? Speak softly carry a  big stick?

Well that quotation is opened to interpretation but for you to say we should nuke Iraq and at the same time your reason is that they have Nukes, I just dont understand. Because they have something horrible we should use that horrible thing on them? Why not read the book Hiroshima about the skin sliding off the people, the babies who would never walk, but wait, they are just nipponese arent they?

Hmm, so many mocks, so little time.

Go back and read.  I said I think Teddy would have nuked them, because that's the type of guy HE WAS.  I wasn't the one that said I wish he was in office.  I was mocking that.  But I know that reading is a challenge for you litte fella, so I'll try to use even smaller words from now on.

And yes, they are just Nipponese, and I'm just an American.  What is it about using a term that you aren't familure with that you assume it means something wrong?  What makes you jump to that conclusion?  Oh that's right, you don't need anything to jump to a conclusion, you jump to them all the time.

3. The tax guys issue with Bondo. Yes those flying on the right wing of the plane need to understand this equation

 WAR = Spending and LOWER TAXES = LOWE BUDGET and those two clash. You cant expect to save more money and kill more people. Though Im sure bucc you wish you could, Im sorry, it just doenst work like that.

There are three items in that equation, which two clash?  DUH.  LET ME SEE IF I CAN THUNK THIS OUT.


War = Spending and Lower Taxes.  Wow, is that what war is?  I had no idea.  I thought war was that ultimate political statement that should be used only as a last resort.  Here I was wrong that whole time and it is really spending and lower taxes.  Thanks.

Spending and Lower Taxes = Low Budget.  Wow, So I can lower taxes and still spend with a low budget?  WOOOHOO!  YES!  I can still spend while having a low budget!!

Wait, these don't sound quite right to me.

Are you trying to say that we will be spending more because of the war, and we have lowered taxes.  And that all that equals a LOWER ECONOMY maybe?  This is just a wild ass guess, but the best I could come up with based on the shit you wrote.  So maybe:

War Expendatures + Lower Taxes = Lower Economic Growth?  

You could be saying that, but then people could argue how historically, war has actually boosted the economy (defense spending creates jobs too).  So, saying even that wouldn't be completely correct.  If you believe in trickle down economics, then you would be even further off base.  

So, this has nothing to do with what I would like or not like.  It only goes to show that not only can't you read other people's posts very well, you don't communicate very well and you don't seem to know much about economic theory to go with your lack of knowledge on history.  That England coming to our aid in the French Indian Wars comment still makes me laugh.  I shared it with a friend, that teaches High School.  Let's just say you have brought laughter to many people.

AND SO YOU SEE BUCC, two can play the flame war game, though I prefer not to if you insist upon it I can play it.

Yeah, and it is like watching the Red Wings play against a peewee team.  It's almost too hard to watch.  So you can play the game, but you sure as hell can't play it well.

All you've shown is that you can't actually read other peoples posts correctly, that you can look at an article on patriot missiles and only pull out the information that supports your side while ignoring the rest, and that you have a very shitty history book in your school.  Oh, and don't let me forget the part where you make little to no sense like your economics portion of the post.

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Bucc, everyone knows the Canadiens own the Red Wings. . just kidding (duh!), but it would be nice.....eh
i didnt really read the rest because im kinda drunk, but youve educated me on the nipponese thing. i still think its a kindof odd word and the fact that several people thought (mistakenly) that it was a slur speaks for it self.