The RnT Clan. A new brand of idiots

[(SiX)Ben]

Cookie was dead on with a lot of her stuff, so I will elaborate on the finer points.

She is sexy, i'll give you that

Globalization is a giant theory with no definite answer or definition...don't argue with me about this since I just took a course titled Globalization. Everyone has their own theories to Globalization - all are basically right to a certain degree, but it is widely noted and agreed upon that Globalization spreads Western culture, most notably American culture. I can argue almost any facet of Globalization and win, so if you want to go, be my guest  

True, we could debate about what Globalization is UNTIL the system os replaced with the next system (my guess is we'll isolate again) and still not have a true definition for it.

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As you can most likely tell from these posts, I love a good debate. So any time kid  .

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Ben, America sticking our noses in places has done more good than harm for the world. Think of it this way...if we didn't intervene in many conflicts, the world would be saying "Heil" or possibly even "Comrade" to some supreme dictator. Unfortunately, our meddling has pissed off extremists and those with power, but that is because they feel like they are being violated when a foreign power has more influence than they do.

That's not what I was talking about and you know it. World War 2 was our buisness. Hence the name "WORLD WAR" . I'm talking about Civil Wars in countries that don't concern us, or the financial backing of certain governments in small countries (that usually ends up biting us in the ass) But, I'll take your "Comrade" statement. How did we stop that exactly? Vietnam War? I take that war as a loss. After all, we fought, we lost so many men, then we pulled out. Korean War? How many of these did we actually win? Maybe 1!? How did we stop the spread of Communism. The paranoia of the day was that Communism would spread globally. Hence McCarthyism. Is that the way we're supposed to deal with Communism? Paranoia? Trading in our freedoms for security? Ruining other innocent lives so we feel safer? Nay! I feel we dealt with Communism all wrong. Also, this isn't what pissed off the Arab extremists . We pissed them off by aiding Israel, by our provocative way of life, by not respecting their religion (as in desecrating their holy ground, we didn't know enough about their culture to do that. They didn't even know they were desecrating it at the time!)  

Also, the Taliban came about when Mullah Omar became a strong enough warlord to overthrow the King that was in place...Afghanistan was built on civil unrest and whoever had the largest army was in control.

As are most Arab Countries. Iraq? 3 sects.  Hussein has the most power, thus he's ruling it. When we take him out there will be 3 equally powerred factions, and again it will be a vie for power, and again we will aid the one we want to win. It's their way of life. I understand why you'd take Hussein out of power, but I'm just saying this is how they live. Who are we to fuck up their civil wars if they aren't going to hurt us in the end!?

As for bases or operation...the Saudi's are letting us use their bases as long as we provide protection from Iraqi SCUD missiles. Pakistan wont let us use their bases for normal air operations (most likely covert ops only) because that would lead to the ouster of Musharraf - a a pro U.S. ruler.

Thanks for the update .  The Saudi's and Egypt are seriously insane in that they're like "Use our base. NO, GET OFF OUT BASE. Ok, use our base. WHAT THE FUCK YOU DOING KID!? I SAID GET OFF .

Again, more crap to post, but not enough time to post it.

I anxiously await your reply

Ben

P.S. Now it was an hour and 15 minutes in 4 posts . This is the longest I spent on replies ever!

[tasty]

I just read that whole globalization thing and I have come to the conclusion that I'm having trouble even deciding what the argument is here. So, I guess I'll just add my 2 cents on all the topics that have been discussed.

1. Globalization has both positive and negative effects. It can be a fair economic exchange between cultures or it can lead to further economic domination by more powerful countries. It all depends on the way people use it? I have no problem with globalization for mutual benefit, but I believe that the effect our culture will have on less-civilized nations should be examined before trying to exploit them for a profit. In this regard I don't believe that the US has lived up to the responsiblity that goes with all of the power that we have? just look at the environmental havoc that some IMF/World Bank programs have wreacked? to whose benefit are these "development" programs actually working?

2. I agree with the argument about others consuming our culture to a certain extent. But I think this needs to be looked at from the point of view of both the leaders and the citizens of a foreign country. The leaders need to accept the development money offered to them by US/international/corporate interests because their 3rd world countries are facing economic ruin and they need any help they can get. But in return for this money, they have to agree to let US-multinational corporations set up shop in their country (which will proceed to destroy any sort of local business interests or local farmers by running them out of business). So McDonalds becomes popular, Indians living in adobe huts own television sets, and the whole country goes down the road of Americanization. People in these countries don't really have any choice to consume our culture at this point, because our culture is being forced on them through their government. The alternate choice of the leadership of the country would be to reject US aid money, following which they will be criticized by the international community as anti-US and be painted as a leader who does not care about the well being of their people. But which way are they better off? It really appears that they are damned either way? either the people will be angry because they are starving or they will be angry because US culture is forced upon them? and thus the possible BS of globalization. Why do you think that extremists are fed up with the United States? our policy is basically love us or suffer, bitches.

3. No communism isn't a good idea, I don't really think its an issue anymore.

4. Final consensus: The US needs to be much less selfish in its international pursuits? and I don't support a war with Iraq or whoever else the hot topic in the "axis of evil" is because I don't support any fighting other than self-defense, and I definetely do not consider the "war on terror" to be self defense.

[(SiX)Ben]

To respond to tasty. Thanks for support in number 1-3. I like the calvary (1 on2 isn't really fair)

Number 4's jacked up in my opnion. The war on terror is a good war.  They hit us, we hit back. I just don't believe Iraq is a terrorist country. Bush is using the war on terror as an excuse to hit Iraq. I agree we should hit Iraq too... So, thats where we differ sexy tasty ...

I love this debating, no flaming, everyones friends with everyone else debating. its awesome!

Ben

[cookie]

But recently I haven't seen Britain say anything like "you don't side with us we'll kill you" or "you could be invaded next foo'" like I've seen from the United States.

There are several explainations for this:
1) the US took over that role, now all Britain has to do is kick back and say they're our friends.
2) Britain realizes it is now at a geographic disadvantage to wage war with potentially nuclear capable countries.
3) Britain has nothing to fight for anymore. They didn't have a 9/11.
and also, the US hasn't said "you don't side with us we'll kill you". There are several neutral nations not willing to side with us (yet), and we haven't threatened them with death. Sheesh

I'll say that was as wise as the Amerricans giving money to Bin Laden. (Yes, it hurt us. It gave him 1) A name to the Arab people. He became a hero! 2) MONEY!

Bin Laden would have become a hero in life or death, thats generally how Islam works. And yeah, he has enough money.. it's not like he needed more to do the terrible things he has done. He probably used it in the war anyway. And even if it was a mistake, the US still did a good thing in saving a country from Soviet rule. Bin Laden probably would have hated us even worse if we didnt help him, anyhow.

They survived for so long that it's obvious that their lifestyles and governments work for them. Who are we to come around and say "You're not doing that right!" when they've beenaround 10 times longer then us?

Britain has also incurred 3x the bloody wars we have. It's not like their country has been perfectly in order all these centuries. They have made mistakes, they have done many more terrible things than the US has. Why does being around longer give them more claim and authority than we have? We are bigger, we are stronger, we are more capable. Naturally we are on an equal basis with them, and our word should be just as good as theirs. It's incredulous to say that duration of a country should dictate authority. Look at India. They have been around since the beginning of civilization but are still impoverished in many areas and internal struggle is evident. Does India get to tell Britain what to do now? Senority is a bad example ben, because you have to apply it to all areas.

Your North Korea isn't really valid. We gave them aid in exchange for their guarentee of not making nukes. It was an agreement, not a Big Brother Helping You thing.

How is it not valid? We give them aid, they are getting pissed at us. Nothing in your statement disproves my point.

Frankly, I doubt Iraq would use Nukes on the US. I doubt N Korea would either.

Hussein is an egocentric madman bent on becoming a figurehead, and he has nothing to lose. He doesn't care about his people, his country, even his own life. He cares about power and being revered. There is no doubt in my mind that if he had the full capability, he would strike out. It's also been recently revealed that he has taken up Islam, and had a huge section of the Koran translated in his own blood. (I went to a seminar on Iraq, so booyah ) But i do agree, N. Korea wouldnt likely use a nuke against the US.

The American people are nationalistic, patrtiotic, yet self centerred and extremely ... well... stupid.

Ben, FU and speak for yourself   Im not patriotic, nationalistic, OR STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and quit with the stereotypes, you're giving me a headache.

If you anfd the whole country of America went to China, we'd be hated and turned away.

um... duh? China doesn't have room for all of us

[Jeb]

It should be no suprize that we where going to attack iraq, they were on the list of the "axis of evil."
So was north korea and they ended up having weapons of mass destruction. I'd imagine that the bush administration has proof of nukes in iraq in order to lead the UN to allow us to attack.
A local rep from washington visited iraq, jim mcderment. He is against war however he mentioned that the people of iraq would rather us have taken Sadam out of power in 91. Most, if not all the country's food comes from the oil for food program, meaning that sadam controls all the food in the country.

Absolum, you live in a extremely rich country like america. Your problem is that your government has no balls, and you learn all your hatred for america thru your parents or other ignorant people. You acually believed that the CIA (i bet you don't even know what that stands for) organized the attacks on the world trade center. Your broad stereotypes of our society are idiotic, do you acually know what life is like over here? or do you just see our images from the media.
If i was to follow your train of thought i'd stereotype you as a nazi gold hoarding swiss cheeze eating pussy. Btw, communism is bad retard.

[cookie]

We picked a puny and rided it to the end. We aided them economically and admitted they were who we wanted in power.

No, we supported a leader (cant remember the name) who eventually got overthrown and the Taliban took over. Where does it say the US supported religious fundamental rule over Afghanistan?!

He actually expanded the wealth which he never would have had if America didn't give him money!

Dear god, Bin Laden was a millionaire on his own. and it's not like we gave HIM the money to put in his bank account for safekeeping, we gave his forces the money which was of course ALL USED!!!

You're looking at it from our side directly. So, other people are expected to change to our styles while we aren't expected to change to theirs? That's just not right.

I never said it was right but thats how it is. And also you said later that globalization can have many defintions and forms, and this is just one of them. This is the American form of globalization.. not americanization. And like i said before, globalization doesn't neccessarily have to be mutual, thats arbitrary. It happens in many ways, this being one of them.

[Cossack]

I got beef with people now.
 Absalon you think communism is so fucking great huh? Take it from someone if not the only one on this board to have ever lived in a communist country!!! I know freinds even during peristroika that were exiled from the Soviet Union. Are you a German? Swede? (I dont know I am asking) You should have lived in East Germany, communism's mark is still in the east. Look at the wide difference of standard of living between West Germany and East Germany, today. Economic differences and standard of living are much lower in the East.


Now to Assasin, you say the united states has "earned" the right to dig their noses into other peoples buissnes??!?!?!?!?!? YOU FACIST! how dare you make that claim, you arrogant pompous Hillbilly ! You put your nose into Russia or China we send a nuke up your ass! America has no right what so ever. True America was making its values spread throughout the whole world during the cold war, but Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter , and Reagan (even that asshole) did it for the world's interest. Now you are doing it for Oil Companies. Here is a little peice of history that is hidden from the general public. I picked this info up at a microfilm in the Library:
Hal Burton a construction company and an Oil company performed horizontal drilling into Iraq from Kuwait. Iraq warned Kuwait that they would invade if they didnt stop Hal Burton from drilling there. Kuwait refused because Hal Burton was a very large company in Kuwait. Who was the CEO of this American company? None other than our benevolent Vice President, Dick Cheney. I am not saying this gave Iraq a pretext to invade Kuwait, but shows you how a present day leader caused a war. Iraq has millions of gallons worth of oil reserves in the Tigris and Euphrates, it is totally idiotic to say that America is not at all in it for the oil! It is bullshit propaganda from America saying that this has nothing to do with oil. You people are just about as brainwashed as the Iraqis. It is clear that this war is for the United States intrest, expanding it economic hedgemoney into Iraq. Syria, Turkey, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia have come out against a war. The only people that are for it in the Middle East is Israel. Zionist such as Wolfowitz(sp) control American foreign policy. America is fighting this war on behalf of the Zionists. America is an empire and to give them the right to get into other peoles buissness is COMMITING TREASON AGAINST THE WORLD COMMUNITY Many of you will hate me, for spewing this anti-american "rhetoric", and I bet some of you will be calling me an anti-semite for my remarks about Israel. Well Fuck you who think I am an anti-american jew hater, I dont give a flying peice of monkey shit what you hypocritical son bitches say, talk to my ass motherfuckers!

[Absalon - RnT]

haha, u guys still funny. i dont think communism is cool, i just bitched jeb coz he started bitching at me. If i would think communism is cool, would i write in these forums? or would i even have a mac, dont think so.

btw, i dont read ur stupid long posts like "Yea, we americans are the best", "we only attacked coz the other BAD GUYS attacked us first" "Bush has prove that Irak (q)  has nuclear weapons"

u know who received those fucking 12'000 pages first? mr. bush of course. And u think he didnt change anything? omg, he changed all to his matter, so i can war a bit! (u understand?, if not also ok)

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah i can only say to you

[(SiX)Ben]

haha, u guys still funny. i dont think communism is cool, i just bitched jeb coz he started bitching at me. If i would think communism is cool, would i write in these forums? or would i even have a mac, dont think so.

How's that funny? We're not talking about that.

btw, i dont read ur stupid long posts like "Yea, we americans are the best", "we only attacked coz the other BAD GUYS attacked us first" "Bush has prove that Irak (q)  has nuclear weapons"

We haven't said that either. We said in our posts "This is made to Ben" or "This is made to cookie." They are addressed to a certain person, not you, because we know people like you wouldn't read it.  I doubt anyone said "we american ar ehe best" or any of that. I said I supported BUsh's policy, but thats it. Tasty said he doesn't agree with this. You should really read posts before you assume and make an ass out of u and me. Mainly u though.

u know who received those fucking 12'000 pages first? mr. bush of course. And u think he didnt change anything? omg, he changed all to his matter, so i can war a bit! (u understand?, if not also ok)

We weren't talking about this either. I suggest next time you read our posts, or if you don't wanna contribute, don't. If you want to contribute and haven't read the posts, don't. The first people to get the pages were the UN Weapons Inspectors actually.  They knew what was on the list before, and made more then 1 copy, each country in the security council got one. America got one, Britain got one... Thus, if he changed anything, it would not be like the other countries copies... and people would figure it out. Please research before speaking.

Ben

[kos.viper]

btw, i dont read ur stupid long posts like "Yea, we americans are the best", "we only attacked coz the other BAD GUYS attacked us first" "Bush has prove that Irak (q)  has nuclear weapons"

Proving your own ignorance, nice job.

Btw, great posts guys.  Assassin, Ben, and Cookie have some really nice reply's, well thought out.

[Cossack]

Sorry Absalon, I only heard it from jeb that you said communism is the ideal government, but still, the first part of my post goes to anyone who does like communism.

[(SiX)Ben]

Here we go again. This won't be as good .

3) Britain has nothing to fight for anymore. They didn't have a 9/11.

How could you even say such a thing. Yes, America had ONE attack on American soil. Yes, America lost hundreds of lives on that single attack. Britain has been attacked SEVERAL more times then America has and has lost at least as many men. Britain has more to fight for than the U.S. does in my opinion.  They have more pressure due to location, and more motive due to numbers of attacks.

and also, the US hasn't said "you don't side with us we'll kill you". There are several neutral nations not willing to side with us (yet), and we haven't threatened them with death.

You're right, I did exagerate a lot, but yes, whgenever we make a statement you must realize we have the threat of power and force behind it. Do you honestly believe that if a strategic position that could save hundreds of American lives were denied to us by a neutral country, we would just accept it? No, we would start by trying to be democratic, if they continued to deny we'd move onto force.

Bin Laden would have become a hero in life or death, thats generally how Islam works. And yeah, he has enough money.. it's not like he needed more to do the terrible things he has done. He probably used it in the war anyway. And even if it was a mistake, the US still did a good thing in saving a country from Soviet rule. Bin Laden probably would have hated us even worse if we didnt help him, anyhow.

Uuuuuh. No! Bin Laden became hero of the Afghan/Russian War. Probably seems like no big deal to you, eh? Well, it's a huge deal! People heard his name, knew his military genious, and followed him. We gave him the power he needed. We funded Bin Laden and his campaing against Russia. Because of us he got the money and weapons he needed to take on such an opponent. After all was said and done he was able to keep the remains of the money AND the weapons. Now, with this money he invested very wisely in the stock market. Then he built charities. The result, he has some major bling bling flowing back to him. We, America, gave Bin Laden the MEANS and the POWER to carry out the 9/11 attacks on us.

Britain has also incurred 3x the bloody wars we have. It's not like their country has been perfectly in order all these centuries. They have made mistakes, they have done many more terrible things than the US has. Why does being around longer give them more claim and authority than we have? We are bigger, we are stronger, we are more capable. Naturally we are on an equal basis with them, and our word should be just as good as theirs. It's incredulous to say that duration of a country should dictate authority. Look at India. They have been around since the beginning of civilization but are still impoverished in many areas and internal struggle is evident. Does India get to tell Britain what to do now? Senority is a bad example ben, because you have to apply it to all areas.

Lets make this simplar then. A mother gives birth to a child. Who's responsible for the other? Who has more life experience? Who understands how the world works? The mother is the one who knows what she's doing. Now, India would be like the grandpa. Does the mother need to hear shit from the grandpa on how to live her life? No, she's lived it long enough to understand whats going on. Now, America is the child. Should we go to Grandpa and mom and tell them how to live their lives? I don't know about you, but I hate it when people tell me how to live my own life, I hate it when people try to nitpick my lifestyle. That's America. We go to other countries and tell them how to govern their people. What they do works for them, just let them be!


Ben - More coming

[(SiX)Ben]

How is it not valid? We give them aid, they are getting pissed at us. Nothing in your statement disproves my point.

The reason we gave them aid is we had an uneasy treaty with them backed with the threat of nuclear weapons arising. Yes, we gave them aid, only to stop them from building nukes. Giving them aid out of the goodness of our hearts and having an uneasy treaty with them because we don't want them to have the power or responsibility we have are two completely different things.

Hussein is an egocentric madman bent on becoming a figurehead, and he has nothing to lose. He doesn't care about his people, his country, even his own life. He cares about power and being revered. There is no doubt in my mind that if he had the full capability, he would strike out. It's also been recently revealed that he has taken up Islam, and had a huge section of the Koran translated in his own blood. (I went to a seminar on Iraq, so booyah ) But i do agree, N. Korea wouldnt likely use a nuke against the US.

I don't care what you say, Hussein does care about his life and his self image. He has bomb shelters in his palace, kills anyone who would dare challange him, and forces his people to at least say they love him. He does not want to be thought of the madman who launched a nuke at America to be counter attacked by Britain, Germany, France, Russia, America, India, Africa, Basically the whole damned world. If he launched a nuyke at anyone that would be the result. He would lead his country to a suicidal death. He's smarter then that. He cares whether he lives or dies. He cares how he is thought of. Would you want to be thought of the man who brough nuclear weapons to his country, bringing them up to the technological standards of the day or would you rather be thought of the man who launched a nuke at America only to be wiped off the map in a horrible counter-strike? (I know your not a man, but bare with me!)

Ben, FU and speak for yourself   Im not patriotic, nationalistic, OR STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and quit with the stereotypes, you're giving me a headache.

You took that out of context so badly. If a person were around and Y2K happened, he or she would go to the store and get some food, and live life as normal. If this happened to people MASSIVE rioting would occur. Yes, you may not be patriotic. You = a person. Us = people. See the difference?

um... duh? China doesn't have room for all of us

LOL. I concede that point. Damnit cook! The score: Cookie = 1, Ben = 0!

Ben -- Your next post coming. I love ya seksi girl!

[(SiX)Ben]

First off, Vip, thanks for the compliment.

Second, Reno,  I can't see your flash. Dunno whats up with it.

No, we supported a leader (cant remember the name) who eventually got overthrown and the Taliban took over. Where does it say the US supported religious fundamental rule over Afghanistan?!

Actually, I do believe we supported the Taliban, or that form of Government, while Russia supported another which would side with Communism.

Dear god, Bin Laden was a millionaire on his own. and it's not like we gave HIM the money to put in his bank account for safekeeping, we gave his forces the money which was of course ALL USED!!!

If I were in a war I wouldn't blow my account on one attack. That's not wise. I would spend some here. Wait, see how the attack goes, then spent more. Basically, at the end of the war, he was allowed to keep the weapons he spent money on and the money left over... This had to give him an edge, and I bet partly contributed to the 9/11 fund.

I never said it was right but thats how it is. And also you said later that globalization can have many defintions and forms, and this is just one of them. This is the American form of globalization.. not americanization. And like i said before, globalization doesn't neccessarily have to be mutual, thats arbitrary. It happens in many ways, this being one of them.

Well, to us other countries may seem to be changing. To them we probably seem to be changing. Its impossible that something that would effect the rest of the world would not effect us at all. Not everyone is becoming little Americas.  The world is changing, I'll give you that. The world is not becoming America, but it is changing.

Ben -- Aaaaaaand done!

[cookie]

Britain has been attacked SEVERAL more times then America has and has lost at least as many men.

Recently, Ben? Not since WWII we're talking about current world affairs!

Do you honestly believe that if a strategic position that could save hundreds of American lives were denied to us by a neutral country, we would just accept it?No, we would start by trying to be democratic, if they continued to deny we'd move onto force.

First of all, the US already has it's strategic positions mapped out so i don't think they're going to be pulling any new ones out of their asses anytime soon that happen to reside in a neutral country. And second of all, if the position could save hundreds of lives, what difference would it make if the country said yes or no? Human life is more important than Country X's wishes, to me. And also, like you said, the US would attempt diplomacy before resorting to other measures, so obviously the US isn't the dominating tyrant you portray it to be.

Bin Laden became hero of the Afghan/Russian War.

I never questioned that, I only made the point that Bin Laden would have become a hero with or without funding, in life OR death.

After all was said and done he was able to keep the remains of the money AND the weapons. Now, with this money he invested very wisely in the stock market.

Do you seriously believe that after a huuuge bloody war that he'd have money left over to burn? And also, do you think America gave HIM the money to do whatever the heck he wanted? NO! That money never would have been entrusted to an individual person, and I guarantee if there was any leftover cash the US wouldn't be letting Bin Laden keep the change

Now, India would be like the grandpa. Does the mother need to hear shit from the grandpa on how to live her life? No, she's lived it long enough to understand whats going on

But if grandpa wants the mother to do something, shouldn't she listen to him since he's been around the longest and by your standards, knows the most? After all, you did say seniority matters. And ALSO, so what if Britain has been around longer? It's leaders haven't. The country doesn't have a mind of it's own, it's the leaders making the decisions... and i think a countrys authority ought to be judged by it's political status and the people ruling it rather than by how long it's been around. Hell, Malaysia has been around longer than the US.. does that give them the right to tell us what to do now? Do they have more authority?

Giving them aid out of the goodness of our hearts and having an uneasy treaty with them because we don't want them to have the power or responsibility we have are two completely different things.

However nothing disproves my theory... because one country acts as the aid giver (even if under certain terms) and the other country recieves and gets pissed. I never said the US was doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, I only said they were doing it.

He would lead his country to a suicidal death. He's smarter then that. He cares whether he lives or dies. He cares how he is thought of.

Damnit Ben, I went to a seminar! Saddam Hussein is a man who used his own people as test subjects for chemical warfare. He is also a man who, when his sons were eight and ten years old, began showing them homemade videos of dissidents being tortured in an attempt to indoctrinate them into the world of being a dictator. He later executed his eldest son. Does this sound like a "smart man"? Or someone worthy of control of a country? I think not. However, you are right when you say he cares about how he is thought of. He wants to be thought of as the dictator, the most powerful man in the world. He also wants to be remembered, even if it is at the cost of his life and his country. If he launched a nuke attack on the west or possibly Israel, he'd be hailed as a martyr in the radical Islamic world. That is what he wants.

You = a person. Us = people. See the difference?

Um, but i have a question. What if 51% of people in the US were smart.. would the body still be considered stupid? I wonder at what point can you assume the whole to be something such as stupid or patriotic? And isn't it unfair to the people who aren't stupid/patriotic to put them in a body that is considered to be such? AND isn't it unfair to let a minority of people give the US population a bad name?

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[cookie]

Actually, I do believe we supported the Taliban, or that form of Government, while Russia supported another which would side with Communism.

like i said, i doubt we backed Islamic findamentalists. If anything, the government we supported later morphed into the Taliban.

Basically, at the end of the war, he was allowed to keep the weapons he spent money on and the money left over...

cross apply my points on this subject from the previous port. yaddayaddayadda

The world is changing, I'll give you that. The world is not becoming America, but it is changing.

Im confused. whatever.

[Cossack]

Lets see how to attack cookie's post. The issue on strategic positions

Strategic position is like money, you can never have too many strategic positions.  You think we would be happy if America could have the Tigris and Eurphrates? that is definently a strategic position, its fertile, oil rich, and seperates the Arab World from the Persian World. It is where the Middle East meats Central Asia, and keeps a stranglehold from anyone moving from in between the Caspian and the Persian Gulf.

If there is anything I know, I know the Afghanistan. America knowingly supported Islamic Fundementalists. True not one cent went to bin Laden, Saudi Arabia supported him. Brezhinsky (secretary of state under Carter) was willing to do anything in his power to kick the Russians out of Afghanistan, even support radicals. You have to understand the mans charecter, he is Polish, and he hates Russians with a passion and is not afraid to hide it. He was willing and did support these radical elements with stinger weapons and arms. Also you forget that during Clinton's drug war, America praised the Taliban for harshly punishing the Opium farmers in the Panjshir Gorge, who were serving the Northern Alliance (remember them?).

Would bin Laden have money to burn after a huge bloody war.

Bin Laden did, he was supported by the Saudis. He also made profits from the war. If nothing it raised the amount of money he had. The Mujahdeen paid bin Laden to make highways in Afghanistan. You see, even though bin Laden's orginization did do some fighting in Afghanistan, they were mostly in it for construction in the later part of the war.

[kami]

I second what Cossack said.

[(SiX)Ben]

Thank Cossy. You summed it up quite nicely AND proved me wrong :0. I thought America funded Bin Laden, I guess it wasd the Saudi's.

Also, the confusing quote, sexy cook, was saying you think of globlization as Americanization... Well,  you see everyone becoming America's, we're spreading our culture. They are doing the same though... Spreading their cultures that is. Thus you can't call it straight out "Americanization". We are changing as much as everyone else, so instead of saying Americanization, call it globalution... The world's culture is changing, not just every country besides America. That's what I meant.

Ben

[Psyks]

God damnit you people post way to long and it's getting bitchy. This isn't RnT saying this shit it's the old R member im sorry if i didnt ready everything but R has been bitching about americans  since i was in U. When we beat them 6-2 they started cursing and saying stupid laggy americans, man were never cbing losey bitchy american's again, Then even tony montana got mad at them and quit on those fags cuz he is american. sheesh i think just about everybody who wanted to post got in there saying and this is enough about RnT because it's not them it's there new R members that they recruited after flies left.

-Psyks

P.S. sorry if my grammer sucks but im tired after reading one pointless post after another.