The RnT Clan. A new brand of idiots

[MacMan]

Please forgive the double post, if a mod can put the two together, i would be grateful.

iGnome, glitching in a game in not commonly acceptable. At least not condoned by decent players. It makes the fight unfair, because not all players know how to use the glitches to their advantage. Now, as god is my witness, i have never used a cheat or glitch to kill anyone in a game. If I find out that someone I (used to) respect did, i would immediatelypost at *DAMN and get the motherfucker off my Buddy List. But by the length of my BL you can tell that no-one is low enogh to use cheats or glitches. This may also be a reason you are not on it iGnome...

[Cossack]

One, you are kid, quiet. Dont even know how to spell europe. Well yes, America is an empire, we are imperialists, and part of the reason why euros hate us is because we occupied their countries, raped their women, deficated on public statues. American soldiers behaved badly in other countries such as Germany during the Cold War. They were a nuisance. Do not deny it, I know Germans from the Cold War Era. The main reason why much of Europe was our ally back 10 years ago is because Russia was very powerful and in their minds "eager to invade." Being an ally of the United States does not mean agreeing with them blindly on everything. The American Army took the trouble of "liberating" Western Europe, that does not mean they have a liability to aid us and agree with us on every key issue such as Iraq. No one deserved 9-11, but it does not give us an excuse to be jingoistic and monger war. I would have to agree, the US government (not people) are war mongers. America has been in more wars in the last century than any other country.
Spanish American War---(caused by US Maine Explosion now discovere to be favbricated
World War 1- Britain got us into that war with the Zimmerman note
World War II- We did not instigate this war, but we were bound to join this war. Attack by Japan and declaration of war on us by Hitler. We were not the agreesors.
Korean War-Aided our ally South Korea who was being invaded by communist North Korea
Vietnam- How we got into this war is a shady and secretive story. The French were losing dominance in Vietnam, they got their asses kicked at Dien Bien Phu, in order to get france into NATO we took up the fight for them, and it escalated
Granada- This small island in the Carribean was a threat to national security we had to invade. This was an incident of US agression.
Persian Gulf- started as a despute over oil between Hal Burton and Iraq. Hal Burton (Dick Cheney was CEO at this time) used horizontal drilling to  extract oil out of Iraqi oil fields, Iraq invaded, we liberated, they died, we didnt.
Kosovo- getting our noses into Europe's buisness. For some reason it is America's job to make sure human rights are upheld in Serbia, when there are death squads runnin about in Central America.


As you can see, we have been through alot of shit. We have caused many of these wars, especialy during the last half century. Some countries (such as britain) have led us to war.
This ends my short rant, from your local Russian dick.

[Jeb]

what context where those quotes in?
they were in 2000lines of saying how dumb i am for believing in my government, and how communism is so great.

To be fun the swiss have brought us those cool knifes, watches, cheeze and the mp3 codec(i think)  

[cookie]

i just spent about an hour on a reply i was going to post then it got deleted so im going to summarize.
Iraq is much more of a threat than nOrth korea
and macmans post is total propaghanda, no offense.

[(SiX)Ben]

Cookster, thats because this is the time of technological progress. Britain and Arab countries have done well without us forcing them to do our will for the last millenia+, we have been around for 100 years. They survived and earned the right to make their own decisions, afterall, they've survived as a nation this long. Lets say a mom who has been around is told by her son "buy me a candy bar". Her son is smart, but she is too. Must she buy him one?! We have a say in things, but we shouldn't have a day in their affairs. They are them, we are us.

Also, we were imperialists and still are. Check our bases for the war on Iraq. A couple countries don't want us there. Now, I love America, but  I'm more into the global perspective of news then ever before, and have learned a lot.

And yes, we won our independance... That was just because Britain didn't wanna send their soldiers over to America. It was too long of a journey and their recourses were thing because at the time France and Spain didn't like them as well. We won our independance. Does that give us reason to help rule  their countries?

Just to add to Cossacks post, most foreigners hate the American people, but not an American person or an American family.

Ok, I love my country, and I bet it doesn't sound like it, so I'll just shut up now

Ben

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

The only real way to insult the Swiss is that they are pussies (who are always neutral) so they can launder the world's dirty money (Nazi's, terrorists, etc.).

As for everyone else...this is going to sound brash and arrogant, but America has EARNED the right to stick our noses in other places. I am too tired to post everything, but look back throughout history and see where the world would stand today if America had not intervened in the several conflicts and crises that occured. We live in a Unilateral world and America is King, get over it.

Also, the correct terminology is "Eurotrash," but that is only reserved for complete morons who don't know anything.

Other crap I see in this thread:

1) Kosovo was something that the hypocrite Clinton pursued because there was one clear aggressor performing ethnic genocide Slobodan Milosevic/Serbian Army against Albanians.

The reason why we don't obviously get involved (we get involved, but not to the magnitude of airstrikes...read up on Panama '89) is because of oil (Venezuela), and because of the spectrum of the opposing forces (Colombia; Government Troops vs FARC leftist rebels vs rightist paramilitary types) We are active in the region, but in more of a CIA operative stance and Spec Ops training instead of full throttle ground deployment.

2) Nothing is wrong with Canada. They are our largest trading partner and combined with Mexico, make NAFTA one of the strongest economic alliances in the world. There should be no cultural bias - but there will always will be because that is human nature. Everyone is biased and that will never go away...some hate blacks, others rednecks, and others just hate people different than them.

3) We are economic and political imperialists...welcome to Globalization. You know why we are like this? Because other countries have brought it on themselves. No one forces them to consume American products and media. By accepting our culture, they start to accept our beliefs and become Americanized.

If you are trying to throw out the term militaristic imperialism, look up the definition and you will see that you are wrong.

4) Sorry Ben, we now have full access to the bases we need in the Arabian peninsula to bomb the crap out of Iraq.

There is more, but I am too damn tired to respond to everything here...maybe another time.

P.S.: If you love Communism so much and think that it works, look towards North Korea...they blame their own problems caused by their Government on the United States so they don't get overthrown by the starving masses.

P.P.S.: Anyone who was glad 9/11 happened can choke to death on their own cock.

[(SiX)Ben]

As for everyone else...this is going to sound brash and arrogant, but America has EARNED the right to stick our noses in other places. I am too tired to post everything, but look back throughout history and see where the world would stand today if America had not intervened in the several conflicts and crises that occured. We live in a Unilateral world and America is King, get over it.

We disagree here. Some things are better off left untouched. A bit over a decade ago we put Al Queda as ruling government of Afghan. We gave Bin laden money to take on the Russians. Most of our decisions bit us in the ass.

3) We are economic and political imperialists...welcome to Globalization. You know why we are like this? Because other countries have brought it on themselves. No one forces them to consume American products and media. By accepting our culture, they start to accept our beliefs and become Americanized.

I've read The Lexus and the Olive Tree. Good book. Globalization is not Americanization. Basically, it's us breaking down the walls that seperate eachother's cultures in order to learn about eachother, and make a profit off eachother ...  I disagree of "why we are like this". Other countries aren't pissed at us because we help them make money, they hated us before the Globalization came about, during the Cold War and post-Cold War eras.

4) Sorry Ben, we now have full access to the bases we need in the Arabian peninsula to bomb the crap out of Iraq.

Nay, I didn't mean it to sound like that. i know we got awesome locations like Turkey, Qatar (wow that rocks), Pakistan, India, Israel, etc... (I haven't checked cnn.com/world as of late) Just I seem to remember something about Pakistan Germany Turkey and Saudi Arabia objecting to us using our military bases in the war. Germany we backed down from but we were aggressive with the other three. I haven't checked at all since Winter Break though.

P.S.: If you love Communism so much and think that it works, look towards North Korea...they blame their own problems caused by their Government on the United States so they don't get overthrown by the starving masses.

Communism is shit. Look at Russia or China too. Russia, failed. China, "Communists" BULLSHIT! Capitalists. North Korea is making the effort, I admit.  You're right on the nail about N. Korea. People starving, they won't let media in. Their people MUST worship a statue like 3 times a day or they'll get shot. They lie to their people about reasons for their problems... That's a very sad situation there. People are terrified to say they hate their government.

P.P.S.: Anyone who was glad 9/11 happened can choke to death on their own cock.

Don't give them that much mercy.  Let them burn in hell for eternity. I cant wait until thats where Bin Laden goes.

Ben

[Absalon - RnT]

Lol, you dumbasses. Psycho i only red the first sentece of ur post, its quite too long for me. Jeb and his little friends started the whole conversation. GOD was the one who started talking shit about Switzerland and changed his names to "Swiss suck" and things like that. So i also started. It was a 3v1 chat war, wich i could really laugh about it. Then suddenly macman came online and helped me out and pwned them. So i think jeb is just sad now, his ego is a bit smaller now he opens a stupid post here. If u want something talk to me, not to the whole RnT clan, you fag.

[kami]

I could probably fill a couple of pages of why I think what I do but why the hell would I do that on an RS gaming forum...?

[KoS PY.nq.ict]

Turkey agreed to let us use their bases. Im not sure about Pakistan but I know that Saudi Arabia has their fingers in their ass.

[(SEALs) one]

"One, you are kid, quiet. Dont even know how to spell europe."


Cossack I misspelled it on purpose.

[cookie]

this post is mainly for ben to read, since i know he's about the only one who would take the time to read it all

Britain and Arab countries have done well without us forcing them to do our will for the last millenia+, we have been around for 100 years.

Thats BS, Britain has been pushing around Arab/ Central Asian countries for a long time before we ever did it. Plus, who says they've done well? Obviously with raging internal and infrastructural problems they can't be doing THAT well. Do you call the takeover of the Taliban as the ruling government force doing well? Doubtfully. Arab countries can be broken down as such: either you're really really rich (and corrupt) or you're very poor. People live in fear their of their own rulers... and in my opinion, that is not doing well. As for Britain, they have been doing fairly well but the fact that a noob country can make twice the amount per capita they do says something is amiss.

They survived and earned the right to make their own decisions, afterall, they've survived as a nation this long.

Once again, this is about seniority. Just because Britain and some Arab nations have been around longer gives them the right to do whatever they want without interference? What kind of world is that? So theoretically, Britain could be giving money to Al Queda but we couldn't do anything about it because their country is OLDER and we shouldn't be interfering because we have no say in their affairs? That's bs! And I still think the US should reserve the right to interfere where it concerns the safety of it's citizens. This is NOT to say i support an immediate war on Iraq, but I do think Hussein needs to be unseated sometime very soon.

Also, we were imperialists and still are. Check our bases for the war on Iraq. A couple countries don't want us there.

Like assassin was getting at, countries can reject our imperialism but they choose not to. Since we support so many countries with foreign aid and are thus dominating, why dont they reject us? The fact of the matter is, many nations need us but silently hate us, and  theorize this is because they want to support themselves but cannot. They are tired of needing a big brother. Like North Korea, who is a "threat" now. We give them a shitload of aid annually yet they are now growing militant. Anyway, all i have to say about the bases is what the hell did these countries think bases were for? They have to face the facts, and realize that those bases were established for war and thats exactly the purpose that they will likely serve. (this is assuming the bases were there before)

And yes, we won our independance... That was just because Britain didn't wanna send their soldiers over to America. It was too long of a journey and their recourses were thing because at the time France and Spain didn't like them as well.

so what? they lost. boohoo.

We won our independance. Does that give us reason to help rule? their countries?

ok, first, we didnt win our independence from the countries we are exercising authority in right now, like afghanistan. We won it from Britain, who as far as i can tell has willingly been our ally. If Britain truly disagreed with what we were doing they would step up, but they haven't.

ust to add to Cossacks post, most foreigners hate the American people, but not an American person or an American family.

the american family is the unit which comprises our population, which is supposedly hated. And if they hate the American people, they hate me too, so bah!@

[cookie]

We disagree here. Some things are better off left untouched. A bit over a decade ago we put Al Queda as ruling government of Afghan. We gave Bin laden money to take on the Russians. Most of our decisions bit us in the ass.

First of all, we did NOT install Al Queda as the ruling government, Al Queda is a terrorist network, not a group of people capable of governing. Perhaps you mean the Taliban, which we also did not install. After the 1979 Afghan jihad, the US left Afghanistan to self rule, which later turned out to be a mistake since the Taliban was allowed to take over. The US didn't intervene there, look what happened. And yeah, we gave Bin Laden money to taken on the SOVIETS, who were trying to invade Afghanistan. That decision did not bite us in the ass. It was LATER when the gulf war began that Bin laden starting hating us, for different reasons.

Globalization is not Americanization.

Americanization is a facet of globalization. We are spreading our culture, and as assassin was alluding to, trading our products with other nations in exchange for theirs. This is promoting "americanization" while still exchanging information mutually. I also disagree with your definition in that it says globalization must 1) be mutual and 2) break down barriers between cultures. This is ideal globalization, but not the true face of it. Globalization can be unilateral in which a culture spreads its ideals and other aspects without reciprocation. This is sometimes how our own culture spreads, this is what you call Americanization in one of it's forms.

[kami]

I remember something about a certain cookie's new years resolution

[cookie]

anyone who knows me well is aware of the fact i break promises (and resolutions) very very easily  

pfft kami, and i thought we were good friends!

[kami]

Haha, that's sad to hear, I myself never break promises or resolutions, I just delay them.. a lot. Of course we're friends, I said that in the friendliest of ways!

[(SiX)Ben]

This post is mainly for cookie because she's just so damned sexy. (and others wont read it as its boring to them)

Thats BS, Britain has been pushing around Arab/ Central Asian countries for a long time before we ever did it. Plus, who says they've done well? Obviously with raging internal and infrastructural problems they can't be doing THAT well. Do you call the takeover of the Taliban as the ruling government force doing well? Doubtfully. Arab countries can be broken down as such: either you're really really rich (and corrupt) or you're very poor. People live in fear their of their own rulers... and in my opinion, that is not doing well. As for Britain, they have been doing fairly well but the fact that a noob country can make twice the amount per capita they do says something is amiss.

Nay, they used to push around the Arab world in a very militarily imperealistic manner (Thus India and Ghandi) But recently I haven't seen Britain say anything like "you don't side with us we'll kill you" or "you could be invaded next foo'" like I've seen from the United States. Maybe they stopped being militarily.... threatening? They don't talk shit, they just do (as in actions).

I'll say that was as wise as the Amerricans giving money to Bin Laden. (Yes, it hurt us. It gave him 1) A name to the Arab people. He became a hero! 2) MONEY! You made a huge stereotype. Not all rich Arabs are corrupt.  Hell, plenty of poor Arabs are. The Arabs are just contived of the simple joy of information. They never have been given the truth about whats going on in the world. They think America is the root of evil. Why? That's what they have been taught. Is that corrupt? No, in fact, it's very willful and standby-ish. If we did what we were taught to their extreme, think of how America would be today (awesomely rich, but very impersonal). Yes, Britain has been doing well. America hasn't proven we will survive as an empire. We've been losing money since 9/11, California alone is 40 billion in debt. America is so far in debt it's not funny. This is how we handle any extreme situations. We forget our natural rights and trade them in for security. Also, take a look at the size of America and the size of Britain. Compare populatiuons. We have more machinary and a bigger population to work with then they do, of course we'll make a bigger income on trading, we have more to create.

Once again, this is about seniority. Just because Britain and some Arab nations have been around longer gives them the right to do whatever they want without interference? What kind of world is that? So theoretically, Britain could be giving money to Al Queda but we couldn't do anything about it because their country is OLDER and we shouldn't be interfering because we have no say in their affairs? That's bs!  And I still think the US should reserve the right to interfere where it concerns the safety of it's citizens. This is NOT to say i support an immediate war on Iraq, but I do think Hussein needs to be unseated sometime very soon.

Seniority does play a part in things, I hate to tell you. (Actually, I love to tell you that) The older countries have proven they can get along fine on their own. They survived for so long that it's obvious that their lifestyles and governments work for them. Who are we to come around and say "You're not doing that right!" when they've beenaround 10 times longer then us? And, I agree, we must defend the American population, so why do we get mixed up in civil wars in small Arab countries? Because the government wants to put in place a leader THEY like. This is in no way to protect the American population, and thus, in no way even concerns us. Yet, they still do! This is what I'm saying, we shouldn't get involved in Civil Wars that don't concern us unless we are immediately threatened by one side or if Human Rights are largely being violated (such as in Black Hawk Down)

[(SiX)Ben]

Like assassin was getting at, countries can reject our imperialism but they choose not to. Since we support so many countries with foreign aid and are thus dominating, why dont they reject us? The fact of the matter is, many nations need us but silently hate us, and? theorize this is because they want to support themselves but cannot. They are tired of needing a big brother. Like North Korea, who is a "threat" now. We give them a shitload of aid annually yet they are now growing militant. Anyway, all i have to say about the bases is what the hell did these countries think bases were for? They have to face the facts, and realize that those bases were established for war and thats exactly the purpose that they will likely serve. (this is assuming the bases were there before)

So, say American soldiers were in Pakistan. They were gearing up for an assault on Iraq. Now, Pakistan approaches a solider and starts cussing him out in English, and then tells him to leave their country immediately. Is that what you mean by rejecting imperealism? The American soldier could shoot him, laugh it off, or ask "or what". Frankly, Pakistan can't make us leave, and we wouldn't. I disagree, most countries either hate us or love us. If they hate us we help them minimumly, if they love us they get tons of financial aid and even military backing. Your North Korea isn't really valid. We gave them aid in exchange for their guarentee of not making nukes. It was an agreement, not a Big Brother Helping You thing. They broke it, we stopped sending them crap, they said we broke it, then they admitted to be working on nukes. Also, you don't think them to be the bigger threat now. Frankly, I doubt Iraq would use Nukes on the US. I doubt N Korea would either. I believe both would sell them on the black market though, thus I think them as an equal threat. The main reason you'd think that is you listen to the media. Just remember, the media does what it can to sell, not to actually give us the news. They twist stuff. So does the government. "Iraq has killed its own people using biological weapons." Ahahaha. Sorry, but this is not exactly what happened.

So what, they lost, boohoo!
Ok, first, we didnt win our independence from the countries we are exercising authority in right now, like afghanistan. We won it from Britain, who as far as i can tell has willingly been our ally. If Britain truly disagreed with what we were doing they would step up, but they haven't.
the american family is the unit which comprises our population, which is supposedly hated. And if they hate the American people, they hate me too, so bah!

I didn't sympathise they lost you know They don't disagree with us, well at least, the people don't. Britain thinks of itself as America's parents. After all, America sprung from Britain. Thus, they are going to be Americas ally to the brutal end. (In my opinion). And Britain would never publically denounce America, just in private, behind closed doors, tell us we're lunatics. They just would not help us in our causes (such as civil wars which dont concern us)

No, you're an American PERSON, not the American PEOPLE. Ever hear the quote "A person is smart but people are stupid."? It applies here. The American people are nationalistic, patrtiotic, yet self centerred and extremely ... well... stupid. We rush into things without knowing why. If you went alone to China you'd be greeted with open arms. If you anfd the whole country of America went to China, we'd be hated and turned away.

Ben

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Cookie was dead on with a lot of her stuff, so I will elaborate on the finer points.

Globalization is a giant theory with no definite answer or definition...don't argue with me about this since I just took a course titled Globalization. Everyone has their own theories to Globalization - all are basically right to a certain degree, but it is widely noted and agreed upon that Globalization spreads Western culture, most notably American culture. I can argue almost any facet of Globalization and win, so if you want to go, be my guest  

Ben, America sticking our noses in places has done more good than harm for the world. Think of it this way...if we didn't intervene in many conflicts, the world would be saying "Heil" or possibly even "Comrade" to some supreme dictator. Unfortunately, our meddling has pissed off extremists and those with power, but that is because they feel like they are being violated when a foreign power has more influence than they do.

Also, the Taliban came about when Mullah Omar became a strong enough warlord to overthrow the King that was in place...Afghanistan was built on civil unrest and whoever had the largest army was in control.

As for bases or operation...the Saudi's are letting us use their bases as long as we provide protection from Iraqi SCUD missiles. Pakistan wont let us use their bases for normal air operations (most likely covert ops only) because that would lead to the ouster of Musharraf - a a pro U.S. ruler.

Again, more crap to post, but not enough time to post it.

[(SiX)Ben]

First of all, we did NOT install Al Queda as the ruling government, Al Queda is a terrorist network, not a group of people capable of governing. Perhaps you mean the Taliban, which we also did not install. After the 1979 Afghan jihad, the US left Afghanistan to self rule, which later turned out to be a mistake since the Taliban was allowed to take over. The US didn't intervene there, look what happened. And yeah, we gave Bin Laden money to taken on the SOVIETS, who were trying to invade Afghanistan. That decision did not bite us in the ass. It was LATER when the gulf war began that Bin laden starting hating us, for different reasons.

Nay Nay and more NAY! Sorry, I was tired last night, lack of sleep and stuff. They put in the Taliban, not Al Queda. And yes, we put them there. We picked a puny and rided it to the end. We aided them economically and admitted they were who we wanted in power. Also, how can you say the Bin Laden didn't bite us in the ass? He originally got his name as hero to the Afghan people while fighting the Soviets. That's how he became so popular and so well known. This is how he got followers. Yes, the decision bit us in the ass! We also paid him, We gave him money for weapons. What do you think his people are using now? Weapons. Do you think he wasted his entire budget on the war? No, he put them in the stock market, he openned charities all over America. He actually expanded the wealth which he never would have had if America didn't give him money!

Americanization is a facet of globalization. We are spreading our culture, and as assassin was alluding to, trading our products with other nations in exchange for theirs. This is promoting "americanization" while still exchanging information mutually. I also disagree with your definition in that it says globalization must 1) be mutual and 2) break down barriers between cultures. This is ideal globalization, but not the true face of it. Globalization can be unilateral in which a culture spreads its ideals and other aspects without reciprocation. This is sometimes how our own culture spreads, this is what you call Americanization in one of it's forms.

You're looking at it from our side directly. So, other people are expected to change to our styles while we aren't expected to change to theirs? That's just not right. If you wanted an example for your statements you shoulda said "Look at Cuba". But you didn't (We're getting along with them now. They are using our money system mainly (dollars) we openned many American food diners there , and recently openned a sampler of a buncha American food which brought our cultures together.) But still, there are two sides of the coin. We are supposed to learn about others cultures, not just have them learn of ours. Thus the process is Globalization, not Americanization.

Also, the Cold War system everyone was putting up the walls in between cultures, not letting other cultures in. Globalization is breaking that down in that cultures are exchanging valuable material with eachother. Their status IS our buisness, afterall, its our money they're living with.  We have to predict how they react to certain things in order to realize where our money goes, so we have to learn about them. So yes, we break down the barriers between our cultures. And yes, it must be mutual. If you don't wanna use Globalization, your country will die. So many countries practically fell off the map because they weren't using the main offsets of globalization. So yes, it is mutual. Its their choice whether their country lives or dies.

I forgot what country it was, I think Sweden, That was given the option to join the European Alliance thingy... And they rejected. They were doing fine, didn't need financial aid, and they did not want to lose their individual culture to the rest of Europe. So yes, it needs to be a mutual decision.

Wow, this is the longest I've ever taken on a string of 3 posts. An hour. Geez! Wuv you cook!

Ben