War

[Raven2367]

Hmm this is getting hot!! Realy who wants war with Irak? Have they ever directly threatend anyone with their bio/chemical weapons?? I think the chances of them using them are higher if the USA declares war then if we just leave them alone. What do you think??

[dave-s]

Not been following the news much over the last month - been away - Yay.
But should have let the inspectors in without any delays. Still should stay away from declaring war. If there was a safe way of removing Sadam as head of state, Id back that - its not the citizens fault.

[Cobra6]

Sadaam Hussain had the last 11 years to comply with the UN resolutions, why should he comply now? IMHO he had his chance now we do what needs to be done on our terms not his. In the event that he deploys any nuclear, chemical or biolgical weapons we should retalliate in kind. No more games... Just an opinion of an old Infantry Soldier.

[kazan]

I think the USA has every right to go to war with irak like cobar said hes had 11 years to comply with the UN the US should just take care of him now so he dos'nt have the chance to use his weapons.just my opion

[{E}LuSiVe]

he should be put at the top of George Carlin's list of people who outta be KILLED

[dave-s]

Problem is, without the backing of the UN or a large majority of the 'peace keeping nations' it could all work out bad for the US & the UK if we go ahead and declare war.
Not bad as in it may o wrong and our forces beaten but put is in a bad light and out of favor with the rest of the UN members - which we dont really want to happen.

Not ever serving in the military or ay sort of security force I dont know if it is possible, but I heard/read that some allied nation had alredy set its own operatives within Iraq and were in some sort of position to kill Sadam off, why they didnt I dont know. I think removing him from power would be the best solution. From the last war it seemed that the Iraqi people didnt want to fight, but forced into it, going to wart again would meen killing those who dont actually want this war and want the same outcome as us?

Anyway just the way I see it, I could be very wrong.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Removing him from power is easy, but the thing is that if we kill him, his son rises to be dictator of Iraq - that is why Bush and Blair want to smoke his ass out with a war so we can press our own style of Government on the Iraqi people. The only way to get a favorable Government in Iraq is if we position our troops in that country like we have done in Kosovo, Bosnia, and Afghanistan.

[{E}LuSiVe]

i'll quote the movie "Hot Shots":

"Sayonara Saddam!" *bomb lands in SH's lap*

[VMF-214_playboy]

  The way i c it guys is its not that we declared war on him or are gonna its that they did on us buy using the planes and killing our people. i know binladdin did that but that was a good way to get sh to help out and start also. they dont care for our people why should we theres i mean think about it . we send them food and cloths and medical supplies just to have them want to war with us we need to just take care of the problem and let them know we are not scared of them and also get rid of it before they have the chance to use any of there so called chemical or anyother bombs of any nature.   but that is just my opinion

[Cocobolo]

The issue is always way deeper than it looks on the surface. True, Iraq has WMD's and has used them in the past on civilians, and sure he's probably hell bent on geting a nuke as well. It's obvious he's unstable and unpredictable. If he got a nuke, he'd have more power than most people would want for their own peace of mind, so in that respect, plus in light of all his UN resolution violations, he should be removed.

But let's not forget that these problems we are dealing with today are basically cases of the dog biting the hand that feeds them. In Afghanistan, during the 80's, we trained and equipped the Mujhadeen "freedom fighters" as well as Bin Laden's group to combat the Soviet  invasion and occupation forces. Largely due to our support, (off the record of course) they were successful.

We also equipped and trained  Iraqi personel/forces (so  did the Brits, Iraqi's military even still uses the DPM type brit camo) to fight against Iran, who we liked less than Iraq at the time. We supplied Sadaam with chemical and disputably, biological weapons which he then used on the Iranian civvies as well as the Kurds that he has in the northern part of his country. Yes, much of the chemical/biological weapons stock Sadaam enjoys so much came directly from us. (In fact, when the anthrax mailings were going on, people tried to link the anthrax strain to Iraq, but were unable to, since the strain was identical to the ones developed here in the US. i.e., his stuff is US made)

But they didn't hate us enough yet to motivate them to do anything too major yet..

Not until we established permanent bases in Saudi Arabia and other places considered "sacred land" did the real extremists start targeting US interests. Our support of Israel is probably the biggest reason for the hatred of the US. In reality, the middle east is caught in a time warp, still existing in a 3rd world environment with tyrannical governments that the rest of the world outgrew generations ago. Jealousy and envy of the US and others' advancements, freedom and power, the invention of a holy "cause",...Jihad, serves to pull up the spirits of many and reduce the feelings of insignifigance in relation to the rest of the world. Unfortunately, it's a self-destructive cycle for all but the leaders of these groups.

In my opinion, the administration's missing the point by treating the Saudi's like our buddies while aiming guns at other countries. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi, so is Bin laden. But they are our oil buddies so, hear no evil, see no evil...

Of course, Iraq has the largest oil reserves in the world, and it's naive to think that is not a major factor in the war decision. I agree with the action, but the administration is doing a lousy job selling the move to the people. Some presidents seem to forget that they are working for us, not the other way around. The American people's will is the most important thing, and it is troubling to know that the only combat vet in Bush's cabinet (Gen. Colin Powell) is being ignored on his stance on the war and pushed to the back burner, while the chickenhawks do all the talking. Colin Powell's not an oil man though.....

[WardenMac]

I say in my humble way, go in and takem down. You cant control oil exports if your dead. Wipem out, manage the stuff ourselves. We could just consider the new Saudi a kind of Hawaii, declare a new state. Hell yeah, we could call it Texus.  

[{E}LuSiVe]

or Texaco

[WardenMac]

hehe, I thought about that E
































Hehe, I thought about that EJ but it just didnt sound original  . I still like the way you think bro  

[Raven2367]

isnt anyone scared of this? what if anything unexpected happens thinking of 9/11?

[Mr_Grenade]

Raven , the whole point is SH supports terrorism , makes chemical weapons , and pursues weapons of mass destruction . He is already an evil f*#k , wiping his ass out is the right thing to do . He already helps terrorists anyway , better to kill him now , than wait to let him start the fray . Sitting on our hands gets nothing done .

[dave-s]

Tell you what Im getting good at leaving countries before something kicks off.

Left the Dominican republic 2 days before hurricane hit it (If Id flown from Manchester airport Id have left the day after it hit), and leave Bali 2 weeks before terrorist actions. Fortunately Kuta & Denpasar were around 10 miles away.

Oh, also sports centre at the place I had my wedding reception burnt down 2 weeks before I got married fortunatley it ddnt affect the section I was in.

OK first & last parts are off topic.

OK on topic.

Raven, I think that Iraq will eventually try something out in the open, SH is an evil SOB, but I thik it will be something in an alliance with other groups of the same mind.

Whats daft is that all these nations who are belived to be helping terrorist factions are Muslim and are doing exactly the opposite of what they are taught in their religious writings.

[Cocobolo]

About the Muslim states supporting terror against the basic tenets of their religion, in the name of their religion, that's a good point. The muslim religions are based the same principles of life and rules of conduct as Christianity, Bhuddism and almost every other religion. Ironic huh?

[WardenMac]

Thats true to some extent and I can tell you from first hand experience, ( from a correctional standpoint of course) you dont have to worry about a devout muslim. They are a very honest, caring, and timid people who for the most part practice turning the other cheek. As with most beliefs, you have to worry about the extremeist and radicals that take various parts of the religion and form it to their own beliefs. Happens with all religions.

All I know is, I think we now see we cant stand back and be reactive, we have to stand up and be proactive. Not for the rest of the world, but for our own protection.

[Grendel_BHZ]

For the record....I'd just like to say, screw the UN.....and, I totally agree with taking Hussein down.