I did the pc thang!

[Casper]

I use both a pc and a mac but I love my mac way more then my pc (maybe thats because its just a crapy one). But pc's aren't That horrible and macs are not that bad. Hell my family is family is getting a pc and i cant wait because i love to play the more games the pc has.

i'll name <b>some</b> good things and some bad things things about each. Some pros are Pc's have many more games such as Soaf, Gr, Operation flashpoint, warcraft 3 and so on. they are a lot easyer to upgrade (Still pricey).  some Cons are they seem to last a lot shorter amount of time. Some tend to crash alot or have parts that do not mix with other parts very well.  

Some pros for the macs are that They last longer. They are more user Freindly and crash less. some cons they run less progams and games.(i'll go less in because most   people here have macs.)

There is things wrong with both pc's and mac's but they are just preferances so who cares. Dont bitch at each other say this is better or thats better back and forth either list your reasons or shut up. This post was about Colin saying his dislike for Pc's. but that is an opinion not something to start a flame about how much pcs suck. (or so i think I hope he didn't).

[Ormazd]

There is so little point in arguing about this. I prefer my PC for a few simple reasons.
1.) Games
The PC is the way to go when it comes down to games. No one can denounce that, plain and simple. You can go into EB or Babbages, or where ever, and you can look around and see that tiny little space that they reserve for Mac games, and most of those are just ports of well done PC titles. Face it...At this point in time, the PC is easier for developers to make games on. Instead of having a few Macs around, a producer can have one spicific configuration of PCs to do spicific things on. And they can be terribly powerful at doing that  

2.)Power
I can admit it. I enjoy that feeling of a nice, clean gigahertz PC that I built myself that runs fast on everything. It's a smooth computer. So far (5 months running) I havn't had any sort of problem, let alone even a hiccup.

Those things are all I give a damn about. I don't give a fuck if my computer is a cube, or looks like some douche-bagged up midgit girraffe looking at me. I don't want my home couputer to be small enough to shove up my ass. I don't care about that crap. Nor do I care about voice recognition to access a menu. If I can't move my fast fingers over to the mouse and double click on a folder, I shouldnt be alive. If I ever DO have a problem with sight, or whatnot, PCS CAN STILL DO THAT.

Personally, I could only see myself needing a Mac if: 1.) I somehow needed it for work (blah) or 2.) I was going to die really soon(a few days) and I wanted to masturbate one last time.

Go play with your IMac sissy...Uh oh, better shut down my PC before it breaks down again.

[Ace]

There is so little point in arguing about this. I prefer my PC for a few simple reasons.
1.) Games
The PC is the way to go when it comes down to games. No one can denounce that, plain and simple. You can go into EB or Babbages, or where ever, and you can look around and see that tiny little space that they reserve for Mac games, and most of those are just ports of well done PC titles. Face it...At this point in time, the PC is easier for developers to make games on. Instead of having a few Macs around, a producer can have one spicific configuration of PCs to do spicific things on. And they can be terribly powerful at doing that  

Yeah, PC's are a superior gaming platform. No one in their right mind will argue otherwise. You have all the newer games before us (save a few Blizzard hybrid releases like WC3), and have more selection. However, this has absolutely nothing to do with PCs being "easier" to develop on. The reason why Windows sees more game is solely because it has a larger market. Porting isn't exactly an easy job, but comparing it to developing is apples and oranges. Also, what is this crap about needing multiple Macs and only one configuration of PCs? Because the Mac hardware is so consistent, there are very few variables for a developer to factor in. On the other hand, Wintel boxes come in many shapes and sizes so there are more chances for incompatiblities.

2.)Power
I can admit it. I enjoy that feeling of a nice, clean gigahertz PC that I built myself that runs fast on everything. It's a smooth computer. So far (5 months running) I havn't had any sort of problem, let alone even a hiccup.

That's great that you haven't had any problems with your PC for 5 months. I've never had a problem with any of the Macs I or my family has owned, which goes back 11 years. Check back in 2013 and tell me how you are still doing. As far as how fast it is, I have never had a problem lacking processor speed and I have a laptop! Try finding me an x86 that can do this AND still only be 5 lbs like mine.

Those things are all I give a damn about. I don't give a fuck if my computer is a cube, or looks like some douche-bagged up midgit girraffe looking at me. I don't want my home couputer to be small enough to shove up my ass. I don't care about that crap. Nor do I care about voice recognition to access a menu. If I can't move my fast fingers over to the mouse and double click on a folder, I shouldnt be alive. If I ever DO have a problem with sight, or whatnot, PCS CAN STILL DO THAT.

Personally, I could only see myself needing a Mac if: 1.) I somehow needed it for work (blah) or 2.) I was going to die really soon(a few days) and I wanted to masturbate one last time.

Go play with your IMac sissy...Uh oh, better shut down my PC before it breaks down again.

That's fine if you don't mind your computer being a beige box. Just because Macs are elegantly designed doesn't detract from their technical specifications. The new iMac is one hell of a computer. It's G4 will knock the socks off most PCs out there and as far as looks go it isn't even close. Oh and btw, the cube was truly an engineering marvel. Just because it didn't sell well doesn't mean it isn't a damn nice piece of hardware. It's quite funny how anti-Mac zealots will invariably fall back on defaming the way Macs look as if it somehow detracts from it's ability as a computer. If you are going to rip on Macs, at least try to have something, ANYTHING, remotely factual to back up your arguments with. So far, the only halfway decent point you have made is that Pcs are a better gaming platform. So what? I didn't buy my computer just to play games on; if I did I would have just gotten a console. And for the record, we are all Mac gamers here who find plenty of good titles to enjoy on the Mac. I'm quite happy with MoH, WC3, etc. Honestly, in the end is it worth getting an x86 and having to run WINDOWS (there should be no arguments against the superiority of Mac OS X vs any Windows) just so you can play a few more games? Not in my book. If you want to, so be it, but I'll be sitting here loving every minute of using my Apple.

[Jeb]

I personally beleive the main problems with Mac's are the people who use them.  any OEM system is designed for someone who either doesnt have the intelligence or the patience to build their own PC and save some money in the proccess, while making something completley capable of doing anything one would need to accomplish, e.g. video editing, CAD or CAE work etc.

I know how to "build" a pc, but why waste my time and money on a computer i don't like to use. Sticking any pci card into a pc requires some amount of tinkering with drivers.
In the mean time i can stick a 2nd video card in my pci slot and not install any drives at all. Plug and play, the way it should work. So if downloading drivers and toying with the bios is your idea of a good time the winner is the PC.

What'yall think about getting any piece of software for free ?  Within a matter of hours?  Plain and simple though not morally 'right'  you can get any piece of software on a PC within a matter of hours, provided that you understand how to look for, and download these resources.

bahahahahahaha
i've been "warezing" software (for educational purposes i promise)  for quite a while. And maybe your not awear how easy it is for me to get any peice of mac software. Hotline, Carracho, KDX are simply the best. And yet aparently its hard to get mac software off the internet, well i beat the beta 3 of RTCW before you ever downloaded it from kazzaa. I could download any 700meg diskimage off a KDX server on a OC-3 in under a hour while your getting spyed on by the p2p spyware employed on the pc side of things.

Yet another wonderful point I'd like to make, you're not limited to any number of products that either have to be engineered to work with an apple system. Like it or not 90% of the god damned world uses PCs.  If the demand is there, the economy will adjust to provide the appropriate hardware. I'm sorry but i'd like to see an HDTV Tuner for a Mac, or perhaps SCSI RAID cards.

Your belovid N'Vidia cards have been released on mac before pc, not mention its posible to flash a pc card to work on mac. 90% of the world is using pcs, but apple is one of the only computer companys making money in the economy today. Why would i need HDTV tuner for mac, its flawed technology anyways. And a scsi raid, why raid scsi when there is the cheaper and easyer to use software known as ATA133?
Oh yes, using a PC involves taking the harder road, like building a computer and setting up scsi ids.

Let's not forget the wonderful marketing techniques that Apple imploys.  Just recently I go to apple.com out of boredom, I see an add for a .25 Terabyte 1U server.    I think to myself within about 20 seconds that wow, they got ahold of 4 120GB drives.  Nothing a PC cant do, or excede in. Or rather, HASNT done before.

Sudenly all the Dell servers that do the exact same thing are bad also? And what mac server might fall victum to code red? oh wait, i forgot about unix also....

 oh what about the 'amazing 12watt speakers! more than double that of the average PC!'    blow me, I've got  400watts of THX 4.1 certified sound on my PC.  btw Harmon Kardon blows my cat

My dad has those same 12watt speakers pared with a iSub,considering that it costs 250$ less, i'd say its better than your speakers. If you were a true audiophile you'd own a pair of 250$ Sennheiser studio monitor headphones like i do, or your couple your audio output to a nice 800$ Denon reciever with speakers that could blow the soundcard out of your "pc"

My personal reasons for dislikeing the idea of using a Mac, is that it essentially limits you to using specific software, specific hardware, and by god, you have a fucking piece of fruit on your case.

I'm not sure that anyone will need software that doesn't exist on the mac now adays, that hasn't been the case for 4 years. Having the vender control the hardware (and the os) on the computers is a nice thing. Sure i'm "limited" to hardware because i can't put in 1 motherboard put out by 15 different companys. But we get things like USB and Firewire, and phased out serial along time ago. Apple hasn't produced a berry flavored imac in almost a year, let alone any other computer with a gay color.

Pcs have over 20,000 viruses, Mac osX has none.

If i wanted a headache i'd sit down and use a Pc, if i want a computer that i can sit down and use without any problems and no crashes i'd use a mac. Terminal reports not one crash in the past year with osX. Non the less working a mac is seemless and fool proof.

Mac OSX beat out Windows Xp on Cnet, and the apple cin display was ranked editors choice from maximum pc (even though they can't use them on their precious home made computers)

[Ace]

What'yall think about getting any piece of software for free ?   Within a matter of hours?   Plain and simple though not morally 'right'  you can get any piece of software on a PC within a matter of hours, provided that you understand how to look for, and download these resources.   If you pay for software for a PC, you really shouldnt be using a computer, that is unless of course you happen to be running a business and the *legal issues* have actual prosecutable reprocussions.

Well Jeb already pointed out the Mac warez scene, but how about getting a piece of software to do virtually anything you want for free, LEGALLY. Go ahead, check for yourself: Sourceforge. M$ Office? Why pay hundreds of dollars or steal it when you can have OpenOffice for free or Appleworks for 40 bucks. Photoshop? Well ignoring the fact that it's out for OS X and the X version destroys the Windows version, how about the GIMP... for free. X, MySQL, Postgre, Emacs, Vim, the list goes on and on. Hell, we even have Fink to manage it all Debian style. While there is a lot of software for Windows, it really can't compare to the combination of native Aqua applications and *nix open source software that we can run simultaneously under OS X.

I personally beleive the main problems with Mac's are the people who use them.  any OEM system is designed for someone who either doesnt have the intelligence or the patience to build their own PC and save some money in the proccess, while making something completley capable of doing anything one would need to accomplish, e.g. video editing, CAD or CAE work etc.        Thus far all the 'pro-mac' people in this thread have basically said that they like mac's for reasons directly related to their personal inability to work out their own fucking problems. Unless you run Win98, or you're stupid enough to install software that wasnt intended to be used on a revamped OS ( XP, 2k, 2k ADV Server )   you wont encounter problems with DLL's going corrupt on you.  AND GUESS WHAT   even though DOS is an archaic piece of software, you can still go into DOS and delete things such as corrupted DLL's, fuck you can delete anything basically. And with about 20 minutes in an old DOS book ( GOD FORBID YOU"D NEED TO READ SOMETHING TO UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS )  you'll understand how to navigate the entire system! but wait, there's more intelligence required.      

How does not wanting to suffer through all of Windows problems mean that I don't have the ability. I am your stereotypical Mac user, but I can run circles around most anyone I know. You say you can go into DOS and mess around if need be? Whoop-dee-fucking-doo. I have FreeBSD. FreeBSD is an awesome *nix and from the command line I have the power to change ANYTHING I want or need to change. And frankly, it will be far easier than in DOS. In DOS, can you shell script? I think not. What about grepping, piping, etc. so you can find exactly what you need? Nope, not in DOS. I would highly advise you to drop this. In a DOS vs FreeBSD argument, DOS will lose 10 times out of 10.

Though  I know that I am not going to convince any of the Mac Zealots here of anything, mainly due to ignorance much like that found in right-wing Christian goups :x       Why don't I post for my own entertainment?

Also, if any of you Mac Zealots honestly beleive that PC's still use ISA and fucking Serial Ports, you really have something coming to you. Mac's are not the only solution. There are a whole world of people out there that are completley competent in operating a PC and getting anything you could possibly imagine out of it.    My personal reasons for dislikeing the idea of using a Mac, is that it essentially limits you to using specific software, specific hardware, and by god, you have a fucking piece of fruit on your case.

You are right; Macs are not the only solution. However, as far as I see it they are by far and away the best solution. We Mac users are not blindly ignorant; we recognize a superior product. It does everything we ask it to do, all the while with a smile on our face. Can you say the same of all the PCs you have used? I think not.

[Jeb]

I know i'm double posting, but i guess i can't make that previous post any larger

Well this is quite amuzing,
http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/opinion/story/0,24330,3391959,00.html

"* 70.2 percent of Mac users online have a college degree, compared to 54.2 percent of all Web surfers."
"# Mac users are 58 percent more likely than the general online population to build their own website."

Well, i can build my own computer, i'm a computer science major in college,i can get my way around C++, java, php and Cocoa, i has a mastery of photoshop, i know webdesign, a mild bit of knowledge of telnet and cisco (my friend gave me the online course learning books).
Untill you can load and watch a 600meg divx in the background while ripping music and downloading "educational" software" you will never know why unix is great. not to mention the "i" apps like iSync, iCal, iPhoto, and iTunes that have greatly enhanced how i use my computer.
I'm also happy to say that i don't have one peice of microsoft software installed on my computer. Appleworks works just as good as word if not better for typing psycology papers, I don't need to waste my time watching porn in .asf format, and chimera based off mozilla is 3 times better than IE is, not to mention the speed

[IOMaLiCiOuS]

you all are computer newbs, regardless of mac or pc. do you think someone intelligent enough to assemble and compile computers and effectively use their resources would waste time posting here? argue about some other topics while you're at it:

which is more attractive, black or white?
which makes better cars, honda or toyota?
which gender is superior, male or female?
which came first, the hen or the egg?

[Ace]

you all are computer newbs, regardless of mac or pc. do you think someone intelligent enough to assemble and compile computers and effectively use their resources would waste time posting here? argue about some other topics while you're at it:

A) I know how to assemble a computer.
B) You don't compile computers. You compile programs. And yes, I can compile binaries from source just fine.

[Jeb]

i also found this...
"Our peak rate of 270,147,024 kkeys/sec is equivalent to 32,504 800MHz Apple PowerBook G4 laptops or 45,998 2GHz AMD Athlon XP machines or (to use some rc5-56 numbers) nearly a half million Pentium Pro 200s. "
hrm lets examin  the numbers of the surely "slower" macs
32,504 800MHz Apple PowerBook G4 laptops
45,998 2GHz AMD Athlon XP machines
it takes a 15,000 more comptuers to have the same power as a computer that is clocked 1200mhz slower than the amd?
here is the link
http://www.distributed.net/pressroom/news-20020926.html
oh, and neither toyota or honda makes a "good" car in my eyes
and i'm a athiest so i really could give a shit about the chicken egg nonsence.

[*NADS Capt. Anarchy]

Like it or not 90% of the god damned world uses PCs.  If the demand is there, the economy will adjust to provide the appropriate hardware. I'm sorry but i'd like to see an HDTV Tuner for a Mac, or perhaps SCSI RAID cards.

What made you think RAID cards for Mac don't exist? They've been around practically as long as RAID arrays have. It's also particurally humorus since for years, ALL Macs ran their drives on the SCSI bus while the majority of PCs started using the less expensive and slower IDE/ATA bus. It's only recently that Apple has switched over to the cheaper interface, but right as it got to the point where the speed made no difference, except to proffesionals who would customize their systems drive setup anyways.

Why would i want to have a HDTV tuner on my computer anyways? If i want a HDTV tuner on anything it would be on my TV. I think this is just an example of a bad example.


as for the sound systems on computers... if i want to hear the music on my computer loud all i have to do is run a cable form to to my stereo, which might not be surround sound and all that fancy bullshit, but a 400 watt receiver and a pair of three-way speakers with 12" woofers will put out some decent sound. And if i wanna go nuts i can always pull out the other pair of speakers. Their woofers are only like 8" or so, but another pair of speakers makes it that much louder.. and they have a nicer high-range.

Might not be up to jeb's audiophile inspection, but they make the cut for me. and as jeb said... just invest in a good pair of heaphones.. for them cheaper audiophiles out there i can vouch for the Sony Studio Reference headphones, model MDR-V600. Nice, clean bass, and crisp highs as well. good for any type of music. Just beware.. you'll get spoiled by them easily. Any other headphones will sound like shit.


i'm too lazy to spell check/edit... is that another sign of a mac use? laziness?

[electronicjo]

The only good use for a PC:

1.) Games ? They win here. Loads of developers. I think it was Ace that said this is due to the PC's market share. Then again, I would just buy a console.

2.) CAD ? While there are only a few CAD programs for Mac(engineering and what not), I'd like to see a "decent" printed curcuit board layout program for mac, along with circuit simulations.

3.) Hardware development ? PC's are their fucking outdated  ports. Most PIC, 68HC11 microcontroller development boards(the ugly guts of robots, home automation, and many other applications) that I've seen use...guess what? Parallel printer or the serial port for programming! Hope isn't completely gone. The people at the company www.activewireinc.com have a USB I/O board with Mac support!! woot!!


These are the some-what positive sides of a PC(other then frying with high voltage). While the down side of the list for peecee is infinite, I'll stick with Apple.

I must say I don't have problems with a PC running Linux or Unix, but Microsoft and their insecure, bugged-to-hell, software must be fixed. Sure, not EVERY OS is 100% secure, but X is absolutely on the target.

[Mr. Lothario]

Though  I know that I am not going to convince any of the Mac Zealots here of anything, mainly due to ignorance much like that found in right-wing Christian goups :x

     I used to be guilty of hardcore Apple zealotry. I have since matured and had more experience with PCs, and taken a more moderate stance. I'll freely state that the versions of the Mac OS which preceded OS X were more or less crap. They worked, but barely. They had an excellent user experience, but from a technical standpoint, they were horrid. Apple has done some (OK, lots of) stupid things over the years. Fortunately for everyone, PC zealots included, they managed to stick it out and hang in there until Jobs returned. Recently, Apple has been doing more smart things than stupid things, which shows lots of promise. Anyhow, moving on.

     I personally beleive the main problems with Mac's are the people who use them.  any OEM system is designed for someone who either doesnt have the intelligence or the patience to build their own PC and save some money in the proccess, while making something completley capable of doing anything one would need to accomplish, e.g. video editing, CAD or CAE work etc.

     First, lemme say thanks for not calling them MACs. That always annoys the snot out of me.  
     You argue that Mac users are stupid, or technically unsavvy, or simply deficient in some way. Well, that's true for a lot of Mac users. It's also true for a lot of PC users. And a lot of GameCube owners, and Toyota owners, and statistics will show that it's true of most people who breathe. The vast majority of PC users couldn't build their own computer either. Your argument is true, but specious. Personally, I fully intend to build a gaming PC at some point in the future (read: when I have $500 just laying around).

       What'yall think about getting any piece of software for free ?

     Oo, easy piracy. There's an excellent reason to choose an operating system. Your mother must be so proud.

    Yet another wonderful point I'd like to make, you're not limited to any number of products that either have to be engineered to work with an apple system. Like it or not 90% of the god damned world uses PCs.  If the demand is there, the economy will adjust to provide the appropriate hardware.

     Y'know, you're a bit out of date to be using this argument. Several years ago, this was a valid argument. Today, it's not. Apple wised up (finally) and switched from using proprietary or little-used plugs and hardware (ADB, SCSI, NuBus) to using industry-standard ones (USB, FireWire, IDE, PCI). There are a few driver-related difficulties, but by and large, anything you can get for a PC, you can get for a Mac.

[Mr. Lothario]

Con't:

I'm sorry but i'd like to see an HDTV Tuner for a Mac, or perhaps SCSI RAID cards.

     Ahem. http://www.macraid.com/ I was able to find professional HDTV cards for Macs, but no tuners. You're right on that count.

Just recently I go to apple.com out of boredom, I see an add for a .25 Terabyte 1U server.? ? I think to myself within about 20 seconds that wow, they got ahold of 4 120GB drives.? Nothing a PC cant do, or excede in. Or rather, HASNT done before.

     You have missed the point. The fact that the Xserve can have up to a quarter terabyte of storage is not a new thing or unique. However, compared to other 1U servers in its price range, it has the most storage space. The Xserve is not intended to be a world-class, amazing, astounding, OMG WTF BBQ 1U server. It's just supposed to be a very nice one that serves to get Apple into the 1U server market. And it's doing that.

There are a whole world of people out there that are completley competent in operating a PC and getting anything you could possibly imagine out of it.? ? My personal reasons for dislikeing the idea of using a Mac, is that it essentially limits you to using specific software, specific hardware, and by god, you have a fucking piece of fruit on your case.

     Of course there are people who prefer PCs. That's perfectly fine, they're entitled to their opinions and preferences. I prefer a Mac. Other people prefer Linux, or FreeBSD, or a BeBox. It's not as though it matters. The choice of OS is, for the majority of people, a completely subjective one. I prefer using a Mac because the UI was designed from the ground up to be as easy to use, as consistent, and as coherent an experience as possible. And it shows. Not to mention that, with the advent of Mac OS X, the whole beautiful interface is running on top of a version of FreeBSD, which is a version of a decades-old OS which has been continuously improved for all that time. A bulletproof kernel is good.

     Speaking of OS X's *nix underpinnings, did you know that Windows is the only non-*nix OS left?

     Limited to using specific software? Are you implying that Windows can run Mac software and Linux software? Of course not. You're always limited in what software you can run. Be a bit more specific in your statements. Anyway, I often hear this argument, that more is somehow automatically better. For the most part, the software available on the Mac, especially the Mac-specific software such as shareware, is better-designed and -programmed. For about seven years now, I have used a shareware program called GraphicConverter as my only image viewer. It opens around 150 graphics formats, and saves in around 40. In 7 years, I've never run into a format I couldn't open. It's too bad I don't have 10,000 graphic viewer programs available to me, like a PC user does. But on the other hand, I only need one good one, which I have. This same situation is true for much of the software available on the Mac. There's far less quantity, but on average, far more quality.

[Mr. Lothario]

     I now reprint a post I made to another message board where this argument was being held with much the same level of skill as it is here:

     I've used Macs for over ten years by choice, and PCs for about four by necessity. Macs *are* more expensive up front. Macs *do* have less software available. The hardware Apple chooses to use *is* inferior to the state-of-the-art PC hardware. These are true statements. They are not particularly damning, however. Excepting games and niche software, Macs are just as well-furnished as PCs. You don't need five hundred MP3 players. You need one good one. This is true of any type of software. Mac software (especially shareware/freeware) is generally of a higher caliber than equivalent PC software.

     A computer's hardware needs to be good enough to do what you want. With the exception of gaming and heavy-duty number crunching (e.g. scientific applications, 3D rendering), virtually all tasks people will use a computer for are not that demanding. Apple's hardware is more than good enough for me to do anything I please, including gaming, in a pleasingly timely manner. True, I can't get 600 FPS out of Quake III, but in all seriousness, who needs to?

     You pay more up front for a Mac, true. However, try configuring a Dell or Gateway with a loadout similar to a G4. There is not an enormous price differential. The PC will be cheaper, probably by several hundred dollars (I have not tried this recently, so I may be off in that figure). That differential is the premium you pay in order to have a beautifully-designed machine that will function perfectly out of the box, and which will probably continue to function perfectly for years. The really impressive price differences come when comparing a Mac's price to a home-built PC's price, which is not really a fair comparison. Most people won't build their own computer. I could buy a car kit for less than a manufactured car, too. But I don't really want to put in the labor to make it work.

     For the propellerheads who denigrate Macs because of the lack of "real power" or a "real interface" (that is, a command line), OS X provides that in the form of the Terminal application. Open it up, and you are presented with the CLI of a tcsh shell. By clicking one check box in the OS X installer program, a full install of BSD Unix (an Apple-modified version of FreeBSD) is placed on your hard drive and made accessible via the Terminal app. Power? I got your power right here! ; ) At the same time, for the non-propellerheads, the CLI is never a factor. It's there if you want it, but you're never forced to use it. The best of both worlds.

     OS X is just a gorgeous OS, in both the visual and technical senses. It provides all the buzzwords that the Mac OS was historically lacking (protected memory, preemptive multitasking, etc.) along with all the benefits of a *nix kernel, all of which is sitting under an interface which was conciously designed to be both easy to use and visually pleasing (although I agree, "lickable" is a silly way to describe it). Go to CompUSA or an Apple Store and play around with OS X for awhile. Even if you get frustrated because it doesn't work like Windows, you'll probably like the look-and-feel of it.

     I use PCs. I'm acceptably fluent in Windows, and can generally make the computer do what I wish. At the end of the day, I'm using a Mac because of a couple of pretty basic reasons. First, the Mac OS has always been designed to be subordinate to the user. When I use Windows, I often get the sense that the computer is doing things that I did not give it permission to do, or that the process of completing some task is unnecessarily complex and difficult. The Mac OS works with me. I can get things done because of the interface, not in spite of it. Second, with very few exceptions, any task is easier in the Mac OS. That is, it takes fewer steps to complete that task. I use a Mac because I find it simpler, cleaner, and more efficient to use than a PC.

[kos.viper]

Careful with Origin, he can go on for weeks.

So far I've seen far more intelligent thought through reponses with way more reason of why the Mac is overall nicer.

[Colin]

Wow, i'm glad i don't have to make a long post to own origin since he did it to himself again.  LOL!  He had to dis my typing and my "sexually deprivedness" (wtf is up with that?) in order to make himself feel better (about who knows what)!  Guess what?  It only shows how weak and ignorant u are!  It only shows that name-calling is the only thing u can do because u have no FACTS to prove anything!  NO, i'm not talking about facts to prove that i am sexually deprived  , i'm talking about facts which prove ur arguement about ur horrid pcs.  I used to think that pcs were good cause they were great gaming machines, but then i realized that that was all they were, and that macs were quickly catching up in that department!  U said u had an endless list of reasons why pcs are better than macs, post one maybe, just one, can u do that???

[*DAMN Silent Killer]

on secont thaught shut your cakehole

why PC's suck

1: Windows
2: Crap Parts
3: so fucking unorganized unlike mac os
4: blue screen of death
5: crashes constaly
6: There peices of shit
7: Same as above

-SK

[Jeb]

The os makes the computer,
if you had a 2ghz pc running win 95, or a 1ghz pc running Xp, which would you rather have?

Take into acount that MacOSX is the best operating system around. Not to mention that the only solid arguements for pc ,are A. Games, and B. manditory software registration from microsoft.
Since i don't spend all my time on the computer playing games it really doesn't matter to me how many games there are or aren't on the mac.
I think its pretty evident that most the people posting on this forum mostly play RS, 90% of my gaming time on my mac is RS, the rest is TacOps. I could give a shit if ultima online was for mac, or even WW2.
The only thing we are begining to see with more software developers making games for macs is the growth of the online gaming community on mac. You also figure that when a game is being devloped for Mac there doesn't have to much much of a consideration for what type of video card the person is running, how much ram they are using or what brand sound card they have in their computer.

Also your point that mac users are dumb seems to be debunked by the stat i provided earlier
"* 70.2 percent of Mac users online have a college degree, compared to 54.2 percent of all Web surfers."
"# Mac users are 58 percent more likely than the general online population to build their own website."
 shocking isn't it, i guess the PC is a more suitable platform for a single mother who doesn't have a degree

[jn.loudnotes]

Just so you don't get overwhelmed with the number of valid points to attempt to contradict, I'll hand you PC users here a few points:

1.  We Mac users have our fair share of unintelligent people, sometimes vocal ones.  However, since you make up 95% of the market, you've got a hell of a lot more of them  

2.  Yes, Ace and some of the rest of us have nothing better to do than present reasoned arguments to total strangers about the superiority of our computing systems.  But then again, not having to deal with computer crashes gives us a whole lot more free time

3.  It is possible to pirate more and newer games faster on a PC than on a Mac.  Congratulations.

4.  The egg came first, obviously.  However, the first eggs likely did not bear chicks, but some evolutionary ancestor to that animal  


Have a nice day  

[+-KoS-+ Gorf]

Holy shit.  Some of you guys just go on forever.
So i will share my thoughts:

? PC's are faster.  Wow.. you can load PS6 a half a second faster than me.  Ur cool...

? Macs are solid with a solid operating system that is made by the same people that make the hardware that goes with it.

? Colin and I have a brand new G4 at home and it gets 86 fps average with our geforce4 on medal of honor with 1024x768 and everything on maximum.

? See above then: don't tell me PC's are better for games just because there are more of them.  The good ones are getting ported to mac nowadays, the shit ones (that new 1st person C&C game for example) stay over there, and good ridance.

? In my opinion my brother and I have the best possible computer money can buy, it does everything we could possibly ever need, without all the bullshit programs that PC software companies throw out there.


Cheeze.