IP Joining yes or no?

[BTs_Colin]

After a recent converstion (after being ignored for 10 minutes) Evill said that he intended  to prevent IP joining of GR hosted Rogue Spear games.

I'm aware that some people use IP joining to get around room limits and ban lists and can hurt bandwidth. There are simple ways to prevent this like locking and passwording the room.

IP joining can be useful for playing with PC users (Which is personally why I'm pissed) and on a lesser scale getting clan mates for CBs.

I really don't believe IP joining is much of a problem and is a lot more helpful then hurtful. I really believe it being an option is the best solution.

Now I'm aware this isn't going to be any kind of official poll. I'm just looking to gauge the response from the majority. (Which, BTW, Evill claims he listens too.)

[*DAMN Snake]

There is a poll in the BL public fourms... vote there plz... so you know what to do...

[BTs_Colin]

That thread is on a different topic Snake.

I'm looking to get a poll of people who would like to see IP joining as an option so I can show Evill and maybe he'll actually listen.

[Dragonic]

Ip joining yes. It isnt the job of Gr to prevent ppl from ip joining youre game. Its youre comp, if you dont want ip joining on youre host then boot the ip joiner's or lock youre game in rs. But i think Evill should stay off IP joining, its my comp and my host, and im in charge of my host. That means that ppl that are banned on GR can ip join in, why not ? Its my goddam comp and host, and not evills comp. Preventing ip joining is like allowing scott to put a lock on Youre own computer, you cant even let the ppl join that you want to.

[Brain]

can someone tell me how kevill could do that? i thought that ip joining was totaly seperate from gr

[Mr.Mellow]

He could make it so you can't get the IP's of the game on GR (using ICMP logger, or whatever other people use), but he can't get rid of IP joining completely. You can always just put your IP address in your game name if you want people to IP join, but I don't know how Evill would react to that.

[BTs_Colin]

He can block IP joining on the GR port.

So vote to make it an option!!!

[AK_Rap1d]

He'll just change the 15000 port to something different and won't tell nobody what it is.  Easy as that.  I agree with Dragonic on our computers and our choice of allowing IP joiners.  It shouldn't be up to Evill to control who joins our games.  Sure he has good intentions by saying he wants to help out those poor gamers that dislike IP joining, but that's 5% that feel like that.  95% feel it's their own right to allow who they want in their games.  GR is simply an application to allow more people to join YOUR game, but most definately you are allowed to let anybody you please play in your hosted game.  Him stepping in to stop people from IP joining, is his way to fire back to those banned that have been still able to play RS with other GR users.  He is one hasty character and looks like he'll do anything to fight back and get his way and ruin you(He feels since you guys can still IP join while banned, you don't feel the wrath he tried to bring down upon you).  Goes to show that too much information in these forums can backfire on you...  

I wonder how UbiSoft would feel about somebody making it hard to join their game they produced and had intended for ALL to enjoy without a dictator telling them who they can and cannot let play...

I'm pretty sure IP joining wasn't a issue discussed when they gave Evill the right to have that game for GR.  I'm sure UbiSoft would like as many people as possible playing the game in any way possible with no restrictions of any sort.  Sure Evill can ban people from GR, but not from RS...

[Jeb]

rapid, if ubi didn't give scott the right to use RS on gr. then we woulda stoped playing RS along time ago. its not hindering how people play, gamerooms have set limits for a reason, so do locked rooms. the only person who is effected is the IP joiners.
jeb

[AK_Rap1d]

Nice Try Jeb, yet you brought nothing to the table.  Try and put more thought in what you post.

GR is GR and not RS.  RS is totally separate from GR.  You can't mix apples with oranges and Evill can't control something he didn't create.  He can control GR, but not RS.  It is OUR choice on who we let play in our games.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

What we old timers used to do a long time ago before the IP logger came out was make a GR room with our IP addy, then manually create a game. Those in the game would idle in the room and everyone would be happy. It is rather simple, make a manual game and use port 2346 (I think that is it) to join.

[Typhy]

Yes, Sin brings up a good idea, that is also what we used to do when we wanted to play against PC players.

[[d]-[p a t]]

If it were possible for Evill to make an option like "Allow IP Joiners," that would definitely be the way to go.  There are hosts out there like NH who's game names' are like "if you want me to crash, ip join." or something like that.  Maybe we could ask Evill if he could try this...

[xoclipse1]

how would he go about blocking ip joiners? first off, he could change the gameranger port, but then i have a program called etherpeek, and it analyzes all the packets along the network, with that program, all i would do is start capturing packets and join the game, and then look at what port it captured, easy as that. So what could he do to "block ip joiners". I mean, there is no way to filter it, because all that the people in gr are diong is ip joining, except gr is doing it for them.

[Jeb]

Nice Try Jeb, yet you brought nothing to the table.  Try and put more thought in what you post.

GR is GR and not RS.  RS is totally separate from GR.  You can't mix apples with oranges and Evill can't control something he didn't create.  He can control GR, but not RS.  It is OUR choice on who we let play in our games.

uh, wow rapid read my post

anyhow...
Gameranger is a Gamefinding service, made by scott kevill, you agreed to the TOS when you first logged into GR. evill's reason for blocking ip joining is because people make the sizes of gamerooms for a reason, plus it punishes people who are banned. you can cry your big sappy 27 year old eyes out all you want rapid, but you have no say in what he is going to do with his program. besides i heard the next time you dl a update when you login to gr, you won't beable to ip join. i doubt he even cares what you think rapid, especialy you. if you don't like the way he runs HIS program make your own. I'm tired of listening of all this bitching.

xo, i think he plans on blocking the ipjoining feature of the port, nothing to do with the ping or retrieving a ip

[BTs_Colin]

Jeb theres no reason that it could not be made an option.

[Jeb]

evill already said he would put a end to it, debating it here won't achive anything

[Typhy]

Jeb, there is no point in debating almost any of the stuff that we debate here, we're not saying that we can change it sence Scott cares not for the users, we're debating wether it's a good idea or not.

[BTs_Colin]

Jeb u ever try to make a difference with something you care about?

Now vote for it to be optional and maybe we'll get some kind of reaction.

[Jeb]

first off, if there is a chance to make a difference i'd take it. But there isn't, evill is gonna stop ip joining, and i've talked to him about it a few times, and he seems pretty deturmaned to. the only difference i'd make by casting a vote would be to see who's opinion wins the poll, not whats going to happen with ip joining.