IP Joining yes or no?

[(SiX)Ben]

Jeb u ever try to make a difference with something you care about?

Back off Jeb dude. Jeb was there during the whole Evill conversation, along with me. I know Evill is serious when he says changing the rule is not an option. We won't get a reaction, because, frankly, who cares? I mean, I'm banned, I should care most, right? Frankly, I don't... When I play, its always off of gr host anyway. What difference will it make? It won't!

Now vote for it to be optional and maybe we'll get some kind of reaction.

No one will support it enough for this "reaction".

Ben

[BTs_Colin]

This is the worst online community I've seen.

At least other communities support each other.

We're not going to get anything done if everyone has already decided that they're not going to try.

[Dragonic]

When evil stopt the ip joining by and cause, there will always be some smartass who finds out how he did it. And creates a way around it. When he bans ip Joining on the Gr port hes just some crazy fuck, its my comp and he doesnt have the rights to change anything on it. If he bans ip Joining on the gr port he invades my computer and kinda changes my system. And he doesnt have any right to do so. remember Port 15000 is still youre port!
 
And you can always create a game outside gr and give the ip to the ppl you want to join, wheter there banned or not. Its youre game then and gr doesnt have to do a thing with it. Also the port changing isnt an option, its easy to find out to which port hes switched.

[(SiX)Ben]

This is the worst online community I've seen.
At least other communities support each other.
We're not going to get anything done if everyone has already decided that they're not going to try.

Uuuuh.  Try what, and why? Why would anyone care if we could IP join anywhere? I'm banned; I'll have no way to play on gr all when this goes down, you would think I would attempt to fight it. You swear we aren't a community because we will not fight this, I'm banned, I don't care about this, why would anyone else?! I mean, it would effect me and Typhy the most. Why support something you don't care about is what I'm trying to say I guess. Evill will start charging for gr, he talked about it briefly in Macclans, and when that goes down, we will see the communities reaction. I, for one, can not afford to pay money for gameranger. A community deals with things that matter, maybe we should start working on this? Maybe we should talk about where we will all go after Gameranger starts charging, or if we will go. The IP joining will have little if no affect on us, so why not deal with the real issues?

Ben

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Kevill has been debating whether or not to charge for GR since before PsYcO was born well over 20 months ago...but he knows that if he charges money, he will be put out of business due to a lack of people coming on to GR. Face it, most of you are kids and most of your parents wouldnt want to pay money so that you could sit in front of your computer and play games all day.

Secondly, if you would shut your flap Ben, you could test Evill's statement that he would let you back on when the firestorm simmers down. Nearly every post for the last day or so that I have seen you post says "oh poor me, I am banned and will never get back on, wah wah wah."

In conclusion, Evill will never charge for GR (if he wanted to, he would have long ago when GR hit its all time popularity...look back at his own statistics about log ins per day and games player per day) and shut up about being banned for now. If and when everything settles down and he still has you banned, you have a valid argument to bitch and moan as much as you want.

[(SiX)Ben]

assassin, no, he said when the whole "Ben is banned" issue cools off, and people stop being mad at him... Well, I'm not getting pity, I'm making a point. He says we suck as a community because we don't make a poinbt to change stuff, well, i was pointing out that the people who the stuff he wants to change affects the most don't even care... So why would anyone else?

Ben

[BTs_Colin]

He says we suck as a community because we don't make a poinbt to change stuff, well, i was pointing out that the people who the stuff he wants to change affects the most don't even care... So why would anyone else?

Ben

Thats one of the more ignorant things I've heard on this board. You would think you would want as many people supporting you as possible. People should care because it affects people's ability to play. Playing is what GR is all about.

Why don't you care? Maybe if you could stay on the subject we are talking about.

IP joining has nothing to do with GR being a pay service.

People shouldn't just let Evill take away a viable playing option. Now if it was optional...

Maybe you should think about what you are saying.

[Deadeye]

colin, why don't you explain a good reason that he should make it optional?  if evil blocks ip joining, it does not effect your playing rs in any way.  you can play rs anytime you want.  

what he will be doing is stoping you from joining games that are full, or that are locked, or where the host has you ignored.  he's also stopping anyone banned from joining into a game hosted on gr.  or a pc user from joining a game hosted on gr.  it's really very simple.  if you don't like it, don't host on gr.  

dragonic, he could block ip joining in a few different ways, none of which has anything to do with your computer.  face it, all he'd have to do is write a randomizing script to give a random port for each game hosted (assigned when the host starts the game).  then, only gameranger would know the correct port for that game, and only people connecting through the gr client would be able to find it.

sure, there are a few that can use eitherpeek and figure it out.  but not many people have it or could use it.  and it would only work for the time that the game you checked was active.  if you did a port scan on it (think how long it would take to port scan 20000 ports) and think how much you would lag the game while doing it.

that's just one way he could do it.  there are more.  i got that method from a cool program that we worked on last year.  randomizing the port is great for security.

[(SiX)Ben]

colin, why don't you explain a good reason that he should make it optional?  if evil blocks ip joining, it does not effect your playing rs in any way.  you can play rs anytime you want.  

Thanks for clearing up what I tried (unsuccessfully) to coherently say...  Colin, yes, Evill asked us if we could come up with a single reason used in IP joining, and, unfortunately, the best reason was if someone idled in a room. He said he'd fix gr to force it to kick all users from the room after 2 minutes, even if they had started playing and quit. There is no good excuse for IP joining. Also, Evill named off several good reasons for no IP joining on gr... It will keep banned users from playing, it will hinder people with aimbots, etc... I didn't want to go off topic really, but, it feels like theres not a topic to discuss.

Ben

[BTs_Colin]

It stops me from playing with PC users on GR.

A Mac user can IP join a game on the Zone.

A PC user will not able to join a Mac game because...

A) The software doesn't work
B) The host of the gaming service has decided it is more convientient to eliminate the possibility then make it an option..


uhhh..B

[Deadeye]

so colin, you are making this much of a fuss because pc users can't join games that you host on gameranger.

first, how often does this actually happen?  i'm assuming you are only talking about games that you, yourself host, because i don't want pc gamers on some of mine.  so that means you have to invite them through some other manner, besides gameranger.  if you are inviting them through aim, the phone, or whatever else, then why not just organize your whole game that way, and not host it on gr?  nobody is stopping you from doing that.  

second, gameranger is a mac only game service.  most of the community seems to like that (and i'm not just talking rs here).  but more important, that's what evill wants, and it's his system, we only play there.  so it doesn't matter what gamespy or the zone or gamesmith do.  this is his app and he doesn't care about pc users.  you make it sound like there is something wrong with him excluding pc users.  it's not like there aren't pc services that exclude macs.  so what.

you are right, it stops pc users from playing on gr.  but gr isn't meant for them, and you (and they) have other options.  if you really want to play with the pc users, it's probably easier for you to find a game on one of their hosts, not them finding games here.  

your point is pretty weak.  pc users were never meant to use gr, or play on gr hosted games.  just because they could doesn't make it right, and doesn't mean that they should.  it also doesn't stop you from playing rs on gr or with pc users.  it just means that it wont happen like it did before.  like assassin said, use gr like you would mag or macclans.  just leave your ip and let people join that way.  

look at it this way.  evill is solving more problems then he is causing.  especially since he doesn't see pc users not being able to join gr hosted games as a problem.  do you have any better points?

[BTs_Colin]

look at it this way.  evill is solving more problems then he is causing.  especially since he doesn't see pc users not being able to join gr hosted games as a problem.  do you have any better points?

Maybe if anyone paid attention to my point.

IT SHOULD BE AN OPTION!!! THEN EVERYONE WOULD BE HAPPY!!!

[Deadeye]

i heard it, maybe you are missing it.  why should he care about pc users or banned users.  from his point of view, keeping the banned users out has to be a bonus.  why should he go through the trouble of making it optional just so they can get around the ban?  as for pc users, maybe you can't get a point.  why would he care about them?

as for making everyone happy, who's everyone?  you?

[Supernatural Pie]

I apologize if someone already said this but yesterday, me, xoclipse, a few other people, and Evill had a long chat. I don't feel like explaining what happened, but the ultimate conclusion was that it there would be no more ip joiners after the next gr update, and he certainly wouldn't be affected by any polls. Think about it guys, if a little poll made him change his mind, you guys would think you had absolute control over him and GameRanger, and sadly, you do not.

[Jeb]

colin,
it doesn't matter whatyou think, he said he already put it in the code, and the next update that rolls around = no ip joins. not that it concerns you, since you only seem to play on your host.
evill did say he was thinking about blocking ips since before we started playing rs, but he didn't think anyone was lame enough to ip join.
quit being simpithetic to the bannies, there is no reason that they should be playing on games hosted off gr, since they are banned from it. there is nothing stoping you from using mag, or macclans client to host games were people can ip join.
jeb
ps. get over it

[(SiX)Ben]

Colin, PC users can play while you are on your Mac. Just don't use a GR port. Don't get on GR to play with them, give them your ip and port number without gr software, and it will work. It's no biggie.

Ben

[Brain]

...the ultimate conclusion was that there would be no more ip joiners after the next gr update, and he [evill] certainly wouldn't be affected by any polls.

Didn't say this already in another thread,  or was nobody listening then? What would change the situation now?

[(SiX)Ben]

Didn't say this already in another thread,  or was nobody listening then? What would change the situation now?

Nothing, which is why this thread is pointless.

Ben

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

What we old timers used to do a long time ago before the IP logger came out was make a GR room with our IP addy, then manually create a game. Those in the game would idle in the room and everyone would be happy. It is rather simple, make a manual game and use port 2346 (I think that is it) to join.

I have to quote myself to bring back the answer to your damn problems...

[Cossack]

I will miss ip joining. I mean when someone is doing that mod you just absolutley adore and they are all full. That pisses me off. Or when your best freind on GR is hosting a game and it is full. That pisses me off!