Enough Steam Blown Off, here is how to act.

[The Rogue Spear Thought]

People always run back to GR because all the gut players are there. I mean we want a better controler then Kevill yes but we also want Gaming above all. But if a leader, someone powerful in the forums, someone powerful in the Mag Chat, in the Mac Clans,  even on Gameranger, makes post after post, everywhere, of a strike date of GR to mac Clans or some other server, if that powerful person has enough influence maybe enough players will follow. From there the ripple effect continues on to players who didnt follow, for they no longer have the big games and they too, will eventually defect.

This leader must be strong spoken and have a way with words. Can not type ummm or errr or any other hesitating. he must be sure of his goals at every second and can't back down. He must step forward with knowledge and leadership and even influence.

An estimated 1 in 3 players on Gameranger are affiliated with the Tom Clancy series and this would largely affect Kevill. Purhaps enough to get him into talks of unbanning and warn before server downage.
 

    Sincerely left,
                        Commadier deutsches  /  Le Commadier Allemand

[Bondo]

"I'm obnoxious and disliked, it cannot be denied.  If I were to write it, they would run their quill pens through it."

This quote from 1776 kind of shows why I can't be the leader.  I'll fully support anyone but due to being outspoken and such I wouldn't be able to get those more firmly attached to Evill's ass.

[5 1 5 0]

We should have an election!!!!  give speaches !!! and have a voting table !!!  

[EUR_Zaitsev]

Purhaps Ben, Bondo you may thing that but your writeing in the Forum is read a lot. My guess Is if you set a date, then people would write to agree, then people would agree with those who agree with you.

[Typhy]

I'll say once again, you can not reason with Scott on GameRanger, if you're even to have an intellegent talk with him, you have to have it though another messanging service. Because on GameRanger, if you say somthing wrong to him, he'll simply ban you. The whole problem, is that Scott doesn't really care, he runs the service, and he understands that it's his right to ban whoever he wants, whenever he wants. - The problem is, that Scott doesn't want to try and reason this thing out, the reason for that is beacuse he knows that he will lose.

Also, the best speakers for speaking out on matters like this, already have. There is no way Scott will reason things like this with someone like Bondo. Because both Ben and my bans were unfair, he knows that he wouldn't be able to explain through reason why we're ban, so he just figures sence he's incharge that he can just let it go. My thoughts are that the best way to deal with this would be for everyone who cares to email me or someone else all their opinions etc. And we'll put them together and send them to Scott. Through an email, there are less ways to screw it up and say somthing that we don't mean that will just get us ban, also, we could think out what we want to say much better, please tell me what you think of this idea.

Thanks,

Typhy  

[A?K Kilzo]

The plain simple facts are this: Scott owns GR, he runs it the way he wants and their is nothing we can do about the way he chooses to do things. This is a free service he provides for us gamers, nobody is forcing him to do it, nor does he owe us anything. He isnt getting paid from us being on his service. So to me it seems that if you dont like it, then tough. Dont go on GR if you dislike it. If there were other options for us to choose from, then maybe some things would change, but for now there isnt. I have not been banned nor have alot of other ppl, the reason is because I just go there to play games, you ppl who have been banned did something or he wouldnt have banned you. Dont try to blame him for your actions, just take responsibilty for what you have done and deal with the consequences, there is no other choice for you.


Kilzo

[Typhy]

Kilzo, you're using the same old argument, and we all admit that it's true, that Scott runs a free service for us, and he has the right to do whatever he wants. - The question, is wether it's fair or not, which it isn't, much like, if you run a hotel, you're allowed to come into someones room at 2:30 in the morning, and kick them out, as long as you refund their money, I don't think that you're allowed to do this in the US, but in many countries, you can, but it's still total crap, just like Scott's bans of Ben and I.

[Casper]

Kilzo 1 thing he does get paid for this service By Ads and even for putting some games on Gameranger he gets paid...... $$

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

He isnt getting paid from us being on his service.

Strike one. There is a reason why he has advertisements on the top of his page...so you seriously believe that he cares about the "Mac Gaming Community" that much as to offer his services for free? Give me a break. GR is free to you because of those advertisements, otherwise you would be paying a few bucks a month to use the service...but he was smart enought to realize that he earns more money witht he ads than he would have with people paying a few bucks a month.

[*DAMN Snake]

People if you would all drop the Ben and thyphy crap. and the Evill shit for that matter, because Evill is waiting for this all to stop in the fourms and on GR... that goes for thyphy as well. tell rapid to stfu and stop trying to tell evill to unban you. because he will not unban when asked.

  THIS GOES TO EVERY ONE STFU ABOUT BEN AND THYPHY
  ON GR AND ON THE FOURMS!

I know because i was talking to him on the macclans, and it was him because he loged on to the fourms with his 2 posts.
thats all, just bleave me i know evill will unban.

[(SiX)Ben]

Word. I said this 4 days ago in my 8 page thread.... No one listenned...

Ben

[Deadeye]

i think most of you missed the point of this thread.  'the rogue spear thought' was advocating a mass exodous from gameranger to another service.  because, as stated before, as long as you guys go back, you are showing support for evill, no matter what you say here.  typhy, you agree that evill has the power and right to do these things, that it just sucks (or "isn't fair").  well, you wanting to be back on gameranger is exactly what gives evill that power and makes it ok.  

so, the point was, if a leader actually came forward and led you guys to another service, it would work as long as most of you went.  because you'd be able to get games together (the big problem with using other services is that not enough people are on to actually get games going).

another side effect (also mentioned before) is that if less people are on, then that probably effects his advertising $$$, and hits him where it hurts.  

the question at hand is (and has been): do you guys disagree with his actions enough to move to another service and forget about gameranger?  anything other then yes is supporting him, so you should stop complaining about it.

one last note, if you guys do it, you'll probably want to make it mag.  macclans chat is meant to be a backup, not a replacement.  we will not try to improve it just to compete with evill.  especially when i don't think he was really out of line.

[A?K Kilzo]

Typhy. get over it, you are starting to sound retarded and a little bit whiny. Oh and this has bugged me forever so I might as well let you know that it is ?since? not ?sense? , you always use the wrong word that way. Sense is ?You have no sense? and since is ?Since it is up to me to tell you this?. Got it?!!! Good.

Kilzo

[Wombat]

OK everybody stfu.  Stop fucking around with Evill and you wont get banned.  Keep using GR and be happy with it.  If you're not then stfu and don't use it.  GR is a gift, its not perfect, but its good and free so stop whining.

[blah]

here's the way to get rid of all your problems, all of you run into a road and get hit by an 18-wheeler. plz...

[?(uNt?YodaTi.Hfa]

There are a few minor problems to the "rogue spear thought." First, There is no service to go to, in all my serches throughout the internet i have yet to find a running mac gaming server that is even close in comparison to that which Evill runs. If someone has a server or plans to make one in the near future, there is no possible way that server will even compare to Gameranger.

If you somehow managed such a feat as to create a server that compared to GameRanger, how many people would infact defect. I doubt if more that 25 would. You will never get the entire Rogue Spear gaming community to transfer over to another server, because there is simply no reason for them to do so. You would have to show them that yours is more stable, has better chat, and ultimatly show them that your server will be tenfold better than anything evill could make. Also, many rs players play one of many other games supported byGameRanger, there is no way you could support near the magnatudeof games evill supports on his.

If, by some miracle, all of the above happens, you will have made youself the best first person shooter gaming server that you can possibly make (nothing less wil do.) Evill will still have the scores of peole using his server for Galactic Battleground and Age od empires 2 and the like. He will be under no presure (or very little) to injure his pride by saying he was wrong.

As for the one you "elect" he will most likely be perma-banned for his outspokeness just as typhy said, and i would actually do the exact same thing if someone did that to me. people who defect will most likely dislike the server you construct and beg to go back to Game ranger. The effort you make will most likely be to no avail, evill has too much power and no reason to run gameranger in a more democratic state (why would you hold a democracy when you can have it all to yourself.) The fact is that evill has a huge and unsumountable monopoly on mac gaming services, even more so that he is holding it for free. The only reason to switch would be to protest the bannings of typhy and ben. This would end in utter failure because it would only strengthen evill's resolve to maintain their bannings indefinatly.

No matter what you do this idea won't work. Back to the drawing board. I'll be here to help you decide if the next idea is worth it, until then

[Deadeye]

yoda, you just demonstrated the point.  you say it yourself.  there is no server that compares to gameranger.  that's you making a decision that the gamerager features are so much better and important, that anything evill does is worth it because the app is better.

that's what i expect 99% of the people will do/say.  those are the people that shouldn't bitch about gameranger so much.  i don't think they should leave gr, but i think that people are bitching too much about it.  and if they bitch and wont leave, that just makes them lame (hypocrites, drama queens, fill in the blank).

[AK_Rap1d]

Wow, this is all actually very funny.  People must've not grown up around an environment where they were taught manners, and that's why their mouths gets them in trouble???

It is very simple.  If you don't want to be banned, don't break the rules.  I've talked to Evill plenty of times and he's all good.  He jokes around and shoots the shit and does it in good faith.  Obviously if you're going to impersonate him, he's going to be mad and punish you for it.  That's only natural!  I can say this from experience.  When people have impersonated our clan, they end up dead while trying to do it side by side with us in RS.  TK does have it's purpose you know  And just like impersonations gets anybody mad, Evill's no different.  He just happens to have more power to do more about it and doesn't have to resort to TK'ing people in games  He just bans you.  I have personally asked him to unban typhy and what not, and he gave me totally acceptable answers that I feel were fair.  He told me things would've been different if Typhy wouldn't have for example, came in these forums and threaten to "get back on GR if Evill didn't comply with" him.  Evill does read these forums people!  He quoted typhy back to that comment when I asked, and then I seen that he had a point about not giving someone a chance, that was threatening to be able to get around his bans and had a superiority complex over him.  Evill more or less said "Let's see it", in a subliminal way which many didn't catch, and still to this day refers back to that attitude portrayed over him by typhy.  If typhy would've simply been more cool for at least a couple of weeks without bursting out in claims, Evill would've unbanned him and I believe that.  But since Typhy challenged his authority, he's fucked and will be until Typhy can bow down, admit his wrongful deeds and level with him in the mature matter, showing Evill he has learned his lesson and will show respect.  Evill's is like a Drill Sergeant and you're not going to test his authority and get a pretty reaction.  And you're definately not going to get the last laugh.  He's made a good product and he knows how to regulate on those that disrespect that fact.  That's why he'll never be wrong, no matter how hard you try to portray him to be.  

With all this said, I hope Typhy and Ben can recollect their thoughts on their incidents, and present themselves in a more respectable, fashionable matter.  Good luck guys!

[Typhy]

Typhy. get over it, you are starting to sound retarded and a little bit whiny. Oh and this has bugged me forever so I might as well let you know that it is ?since? not ?sense? , you always use the wrong word that way. Sense is ?You have no sense? and since is ?Since it is up to me to tell you this?. Got it?!!! Good.

Kilzo

Yes Kilzo, my spelling sucks, and if anyone finds a word like "Since", that I often spell incorrectly, I do apriciate that you comment on it, thank you. Now, onto the rest of your post. Kilzo, I honestly don't care at all what you think about me, I think that you would be pretty angry if you knew that your clan has better things to do rather than just do cbs ( Unlike myself ), and you greatly valued your clan, I think that you would be pretty angry about it, just think, or at least shut up.

[Brain]

while what rapid says is all very true, i have had a very different experience with evill.  hes never even given me the time of day, much less an answer to a honest question.

while i would be willing to go and talk with evill(aim, macclans, the forums, whatever) he has always ignored me.
hel i challenged him to come here to explain the logic behind the way he was acting, but that was largly ignored.


i get the feeling that evill looks down upon me as inferior, and that is not the way to treat your customer in a service industry. in the service industry, the customer is incharge to the largest extent possible, not the other way around


so again, i restate my desire to have a  chat with evill about  the gripes  of our community, but i fear that he will not respond.
that's strange too, because if he was in the right on this issue,  comming and having an open discussion would only serve to strengthen his position, wouldn't it?