Banned... I'm perma'd

[Typhy]

I do understand and respect that fact that Scott's set up a free place for us to play RS. That give him the right to ban people for the littlest things? Yes. I just don't think that it's the right thing to do, Scott is a very good person when it comes to computers, True. When it comes to commen sence and being nice to people, he's an asshole.

[Oso]

Cow, and how do you get into Evill's crosshairs? Well one, you ask for it. Evill does not just out of no where going, "see that kid, i think he is gay, BAN!" You have to have done something stupid or something that breaks Evill's rules for him to get on you.

[Bondo]

Speaking of bannings for being gay...He has already admitted to discriminating against me for my orientation .

Anyway, I got in Evill's crosshairs for on these forums, saying that he was being an ass by punishing people way too much for too little...that is all I had to do to have him watching me.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Actually I would have to disgree wih you that RS made up Gameranger to what it is today. I think the R6 community made Gameranger as popular as it did, and then most R6 players changed to RS, because it was the newest tom clancey game. If people didn't play R6 before RS, there wouldn't have been as many poeple that even knew about RS and were intersted in RS.

Yeah, I meant to say R6/RS in my post above. But you must admit, through the history of GR, more players have played RS than R6 overall. My account was 39147 just before RS Demo was released...now the accounts have soared into the 90000
s+.

Anyway, the people who provoked Evill must of upset him in some way, shape, or form, and I guess he didn't want to take it anymore. If you are so inclined to start a rebellion of any sort, you would have to wait until another viable product becomes available.

[AK_Rap1d]

I agree with everything Bondo said and it's the reason I always approach Evill myself and ask him to be less strict to people that paid $49.99US specifically to play RS on GR.  Especially when he is banning someone for trying to do his job of controlling the thick headed lip talkers he hates himself!  Typhy did wrong in Evill's eyes, but Typhy did it out of frustration.  When you watch people get banned for impersonating Evill, and then you watch someone impersonate another person on a list with nothing happening, makes you feel as if you need to step in and pick up on Evill's slack and warrn others not to impersonate or get Perma Banned from GR.  That's all Typhy did, yet that's such a big deal in Evill's eye.  That is why there is so much tension on Evill's idea of what deserves a "Perma Ban".  It's not as if Typhy tried to hack his servers and shut them down and prevent any service from happening!  That sounds like something for a Perma Ban!  Not picking up on his slack by waaring others to act properly or be severely punished!  

When I gotten the impersonation problem and people start coming up to me asking why I was acting like an asshole and all this, and then I surf thru some rooms and find my impersonator and confront him and he laughs and threatens with doing more damage, I go to Evill and ask him for help on someone that's ruining my reputations by acting like a kook under my account.  When I don't get help, it makes me wish I was an Administrator myself and being able to give these people 30 minute bans for impersonation.  But of course, I can't do it and when I warn others of the consequences, yet none of it ever happens, of course they feed off it more and keep doing it.  The way one figures is to tell the impersonators that this is a violation and can cause you to be banned(which happens to be true), and that you are an Admin so take this warning serious.  For some reason this is just sooooooo disrespectful to Evill that he feels he needs to hand out a 5 Year Ban!  now wtf kind of logic is that!  Now please Evill, I know you're reading this, cut Typhy some slack here for this "offense" of his.  He is a well respected player and that is all that is being asked of you.  Thank you for your time of reading this and try not being so harsh on people that are supporting your service, and advertising it more than anybody out there.  Remember that is was me that added a GameRanger banner to my college web design class being viewed by thousands of viewers in Southern California.  I personally have helped to advertise your service so it would become more popular out of good faith on what you provided.  Now you going to ban me for helping you out as well?  Cut the kid a break!

[Oso]

oh boy you guys got gyped on the game, i paied 15 bucks for my copy of RS

[Bondo]

Well, Oso, some of us actually like to keep the publishers and porters in business by buying the games when they profit.

[Oso]

Oh i am sorry bondo, i bought my copy like a year after it came out at MWSF, before then i didnt even know of RS. So dont act like i waited untill the price dropped, to buy RS.

[Bondo]

Excuse me Oso, but weren't you the one saying Rapid got ripped off?  Just because you bought it a year after release at MacWorld doesn't mean the rest of us did...paying $50 isn't being ripped off on the release date, that is the going rate.

[oso]

yes you got ripppedddddd offffff!!!!!! HAHA

[Typhy]

You really don't base your posts around logic do you Oso? Rapid's correct, in the agreement with Macsoft regarding gameranger, it most likely says that he has the ability to ban people etc... However, if he is banning people for no good reason, then we do have a legitimate complaint. The fact is that both Ben and my bans are way to long.

-Typhy

[Oso]

Did i comment on Rapid's post, other than the payment of the game?! no.

[Typhy]

Did I say you did?

[oso]

well, when i see another statement in the same paragraph as your little question toward me, i will automaticly assume you are talking to me.

[Typhy]

Well Oso, there is a little thing called a "Period" that the more intelegent ones of us tend to use within our posts. - When someone just makes a quick comment at the start of their post, there is no need for a whole new paragraph for it, if you see a period, and then a comment that relates to someone else, you can asume that I am no longer talking to you, This will be all that I say in this post considering that I know that it would be a masterful achievment if I can get Oso to obsorbe this through his thick skull and into that small thing inside, any post longer than this would just be to much to ask of him.

[(SiX)Ben]

i'm curious what exactly ben did or said that was so wrong in evill's eyes. dont say nothing, because if evil baned people for doing nothing in particular, he would just ban people at random

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My responce Brain... Heres the log
"" Evill: You've shown that you have absolutely zero respect for something that is provided free.
Foxy.aHa!: Who's in trouble?
<< <azn>Musashi<AZN> closed Age of Empires II game 'blood' >>
*NADS Ben.wo: Uuuuh. I am hoping NinjaX
<< Rachis left GameRanger >>
*NADS Ben.wo: as he threatenned to hack my friends computer
*DAMN Snake: OMG << +-KoS-+ Tech N9ne was disconnected (banned) >>
*DAMN Snake: prema?!?!?
? ? ? Evill: No, Ben. You.
*NADS Ben.wo: but I sincerely doubt that
<-pOb-<Ingra: hacking, isnt that illegal<BR>? Foxy.aHa!: Evill: You've shown that you have absolutely zero respect for something that is provided free.? Evill, who are you talking about??
*NADS Ben.wo: No Snake, 30
*NADS Ben.wo: Get it over with then Evill
<< BananaFish started Aliens vs Predator game 'Alien Tag' >>
<< Ikeadan started (?) game 'WILD LAGS. some 1 w/fast connection oast' >>
Evill: And to think I actually went to the effort of unbanning your accounts.
<< SLAPPY closed Risk II game 'War To End All Wars' >>
*NADS Ben.wo: As I did nothing wrong
<-pOb-<Ingra: well im off to go play avp<FONT COLOR="#800080">
*NADS Ben.wo: and still haven't
Evill: Not according to the logs.
<< ??g??SNiPE?idling and afk has joined the room >>
*DAMN Bondo.: this sounds exciting
<-pOb-<Ingra: Evill, who r u referring to neway?<BR>? Foxy.aHa!: hmm
*NADS Ben.wo: No, I did that because they told me they were forming a clan
? Evill: Yes, Bondo, I have logs of you being involved as well.
*NADS Ben.wo: Bondo is legit, leave him out of it
Ben EM IG:? Evill: Ben, shut the fuck up. I said he's in the logs as well.
*NADS Ben.wo: Evill, why do you not go to pressing matters, like the guy who's trying to permantly crash my friend. Is that not as important as a clan named Evil?
? Evill: I'll be addressing that as well.
? Foxy.aHa!: Yay!!!
? Foxy.aHa!: Take action
*NADS Ben.wo: Thank you. That's all I wanted to hear
*DAMN Bondo.: I protest this limitation of what clans we can be in. just because your name is the acronym...isn't my fault...so me and my clanmates feel there is nothing that deserves punishment
? Evill: Bondo, fuck off.
<< *DAMN Bondo.fwu was disconnected (banned) >>
Foxy.aHa!: Evill, maybe just a bit harsh"

That's what I did... I changed my name too Evill J when the 13 of us were making the clan Evil... Then, heres the chat log of what I did. People keep saying I got what I did because I'm impersonating Evill, then when I say I'm the only who got the ban they say I am asking for other people to get banned.. This isn't the case, when I say other people did not get banned I am referring to the point that I must not have been banned for being Evil J (thus your impersonation arguements are invalid), but for something more recent then that. The answer must be in the log... This is the reason Evill banned me. This log right above... Read it. Maybe someone here will understand why I am banned...

Ben

[Typhy]

I know why he ban you, he did it to show that he's not afraid to hand down perma bans for things like that, he picked you because he knows that you're someone who everyone likes, so it would anger them all, but not someone like Bondo with a ton of respect who if he ban would starts tons of crap. Thats why he picked you, it's not anything that you did really, it's just that you were the one in the crowd that he decided to use as an example, just like when terrorists take somthing over, they'll often kill one hostage to show that they mean bisnuess. ( Spelled wrong, I forgot how to spell it right

[Typhy]

Hey dude, theres no one that everyone likes, however, I could pretty safely say that most people like Ben.

[Oso]

cute insults typhy

[|MP|Buccaneer]

One disturbing thing is the distortion of reality that you banned guys seem to live in.

Bondo, read that chat log.  Evill referred to the logs.  Seems to me that I was in the B&G a few days ago and saw you, Bondo, switch your name and icon to Evill.  And then encourage 7 or 8 others to do the same (icon and all).  

Do you think that because he wasn't in the room at the time he couldn't know about it?

Also, most of the guys that got the longer, permabans, haven't you all had bans before?  Ever hear of escilation of punishment?  Maybe the more common term of "3rd time loser" rings a bell.  In other words, if he's banning the same people all the time, yes, it is right to make the punishments harsher each time (even if they are different issues).  

And Typhy, yes, as the guy that makes GR, he does have the right to determine how long you are banned for and what is fair.  You don't pay for it, and the banning of even 10 people (permabanning) wouldn't make a bit of difference to a game publisher after the thousands upon thousands of copies sold.

The reason you guys got banned is that you've made targets of yourselves.  You have pushed Evill and talked about him when he's not there.  Did you think that didn't count?  Did you think that the US Constitutioin applies to GameRanger (something private and from a different country)?  Bondo, don't try to be a lawyer with Evill.  Just because it's not spelled out in his TOS, doesn't mean he can't, or shouldn't ban you for something.  

For those that think they can give or get IP's without getting in trouble, think again.  ICMP logger is against the TOS, and probably of your ISP as well (you aren't supposed to use tools like that without permission).  So, if you don't think you can get dropped by your ISP, you are wrong.  I've seen, and had people's ISP drop them in the past (the ISP didn't even ask to see the logs, so your $40 a month doesn't mean that much to them).

It's his place, if people can't respect that, they probably deserve what they get.  I'm not saying anything personal about you guys, but many of you seem to think GR is a public service or something.  That you have rights there you don't have.