Smoking Compared To Drugs

[*DAMN Hazard]

I see a small difference between the two. Both cause cancer and shorten the life of the smoker. What is it that makes drugs illegal when smoking isn't? Yes, there is O.D.ing but still how much of our population is lost a year because of endless smoking? I mean both are killing people. So what stops them from making nicotine containing products banned? Yes, many people are already addicted but there are many ways to quit smoking. Is it because cigarette companies make so much money? So if Marijuana had a company that made millions of dollars drugs wouldnt be illegal?

[Bondo]

If there was big business already selling pot then no, it wouldn't be illegal right now.  Currently alcohol is the #1 death causing drug followed by cigarettes.  Both of them are legal...certainly alcohol should be as it can be used without negative effects if used wisely...most other drugs can't.

Still, I think smoking weed is better than cigarettes.  They both kill you but at least one makes you feel good.  Maybe there should be limits to what is made legal.  I mean sure legalize pot for private use but do we legalize heroin, crack cocain, LSD, or any number of drugs that are so much worse than pot...that is to be determined I suppose but I think pot should be legalized.

On a second matter, I'd like to see perscription drugs become less controlled.  First off it would help lower prices a bit making those who need it be able to use it, second it would allow people to get certain things without paying for a doctor's visit.  Third, drugs like Vicadin are so nice and don't really have dangerous side effects if used infrequently (maybe a few times a month and then with a few months off).  I really don't know what the goverment's obsession is with preventing people from feeling well...or for that matter what their obsession is with preventiong people from killing themselves through stupidity.

Anyway, I think some drugs can be used without endangering the public and as such should be legalized...because if no one else is being harmed, the goverment has no business interferring.

[Jeb]

i'm 18,
and i find myself drinking often (now), i didn't start smoking weed till this year, simply because i thought it would suck me in, and i wouldn't graduate Highschool. I'd say my 2nd experience with weed was a dumb one. My friend rolled a blunt with 5 grams in it and we sat in a small car and hotboxed it, afterwards i just got sleepy. so i now don't smoke weed because i see it as a waste of money, and time. You can't OD on weed, but you can smoke yourself stupid.
Smoking cigarettes is comonplace for alot of people my age, i don't do it for health reasons. Drinking is also a big party of the partys i go to, i drink often, but never drive. i know alot of the kids my age don't drink and drive, but it happens. I think everyone of my friends has had to drive home mildly drunk because they have to make curfew. a early curfew is the only reason most kids end up driving drunk.

[electronicjo]

I disagree for the legalization of marajuana use, since it really doesn't have any medical purpose. The short-term effects really screw up your brain.

Illegal or legal, people will still manage to get their hands on any drug they want.

[Jeb]

give me a hour and i could get you any drug you want.
but shit, weed isn't as harmfull as booze is, but if you smoke to much you start to get dumb. thats why i don't smoke

[*Kilzo*:TK0:*DC1*]

Well HaZard,

plain and simple, cigarettes (the nicotine) are not mind altering drugs in a way that makes you act or see things in a halucinogenic or altered state of mind. Sure they kill you eventually but so does anything else, we will all die. Plus the Government (The great minds at work,...lol) makes so much money off of big tobacco and alcohol that it would never happen for them to un-legalize the two. Ever notice how good smoking and booze go hand in hand? hmmmmmmmmm???

Also the Government makes way to much off of illegal drugs to legalize them, they have their hand way down in that honey pot, so ya see, it?s all about getting paid, fuck our health and our bodies and minds, let the Gov get paid and it is all good. hahahahahaha, fuckers!

Anyways, I smoke, and drink beers, I quit doin all other drugs and drinking hard liquor. Jeb your 18 and just gettin started, boy do you have a long road ahead of you in this, good luck and be safe!

Kilzo

[Bondo]

Well, I personally don't see myself drinking...I just don't enjoy alcohol and I certainly don't see the attraction of getting shitfaced.  I suppose maybe I'd drink wine (despite it not tasting good) in certain situations where it is normal...also, I can't be sure as I only had a sip but there was a pretty good tasting drink I had once that had Pink Lemonade and Vodka (and a few other things).  But like I said, I may not have had enough to think it tasted bad.  Even if I was to find something palateable, I'd only drink sporatically (god bless Clueless for expanding the vocabulary of the youth of America) in social settings...and seeing what I feel about social interaction .

About pot, my one experience with it was not so good, although that could be because my mom almost caught me (or maybe she did and just isn't letting on).  While it felt pretty good physically, I can get nearly as good of feelings from watching a great movie or taking a slightly bigger than written dose of NyQuil.  So while I still support it being legalized, I wouldn't use it.  I probably would use Vicodin if it was made over the counter though.

[*NADS Lo$eMoney]

Well if you smoked weed, as much as some people smoked cigarrettes you'd probably die.  Some people smoke 2 packs a day, which is a shitload.  Weed is an adictive drug, I don't care what any of you stoners say, my brother and his friends think not smoking for a week is a long time.  So yeah I think weed is as bad as smoking, but pretty much any drug is bad for you in large amounts.

[|MP|Buccaneer]

It's all about history guys.

Bondo, your first post is a bit wrong.  Hemp was one of the biggest cash crops in Michigan 150 years ago.  Tobacco just won the fight back then.  There were companies growing it here (notice how hard it is to find hemp rope or twine today, but 50 years ago, it was still the best).

But it's all about the history.  Coke used to have coccaine in it, you used to be able to buy opiates, or go to opium dens.  But, people in America saw what that would do, destroying people's lives, and their wives and childrens (this is back when women with children had a very hard time supporting themselves.  Like they would STARVE TO DEATH).  We are talking about 100 years ago.  Before Wellfare.  Everything you are talking about was freely available in the US of A.  But our nation saw it as a problem (kinda like Crack or now GHB).  These things were destroying many lives, and peole couldn't help themselves.  So because there were many that couldn't handle it, it was made illegal.  Just like speeding.  Too many people can't handle 100+mph here, so we have speed limits.  They call it the greater good.

And remember, back around this time, they made alcohol illegal as well.  But that was such a part of the cultures that were still coming into the country (especially the Irish), that it eventually was reversed.

You can learn that there are reasons for almost everything in this country if you read our history.

[Bondo]

LM, unlike cigarettes, I don't know anyone who smokes weed hourly.

Buc.  We can learn from history that having drugs available ruins people, but that doesn't mean that it should be illegal.  It goes to the point...which is more important, personal rights or keeping people from hurting themselves.  And to what point.  Sure, maybe we have drugs be illegal, but what about prostitution, and homosexuals have less rights than heterosexuals.  There may be social costs in giving more rights here but are those costs really greater than the gain in freedom for responsible people?

Oh, and having no speed limits seems to work alright in parts of Europe...but yes I suppose not many people are as capable of driver as I and a number of the other fast drivers who post here are.

[Deadeye]

I really don't know what the goverment's obsession is with preventing people from feeling well...or for that matter what their obsession is with preventiong people from killing themselves through stupidity.

bondo, i think that is the line that prompted buccaneer's post.  there are legit reasons that the laws were made.  not to say that we don't need them all now, or that we do.  but there are real and legit reasons for them.  

as for the no speed limits thing, the problem with that is keeping the slow people off the freaking freeway.  those are the bastards that cause accidents.  come up to someone that's going 35 in a 70 zone while you are going 100.  it's like having a parked car in your lane.  bastards.  then try it at 140.  yes, all of grifter's friends are speed freaks.  not three weeks after grifter's crash (and a week before his own wedding) our friend greggie (same guy that was with grifter at the time) low sides it at road america in wisconsin (lost the grip on the front tire going about 120mph into a corner).  he did six flips before coming to a rest.  woke up in the hospital just fine, just sore.  his wife (as of yesterday) was there to see it all, and is even buying him a new set of leathers and helmet so he can go out again as soon as they get back from the cruise.

[Bondo]

How sweet  

[Cow]

I say legalize it all and watch all the stupid fuckers die.  This world is becoming over populated so that would be a good start.  DRUGS FOR EVERYONE!
-Cow

[Bondo]

Must I bring back up my trademarked phrase "Cyanide Socialism" .  Maybe we can call this Drugist Darwinism?

[Colin on gorf's comp]

If they banned cigerettes and medical pot, wouldn't they also have to ban morphene, which is basicly medical heroin?

Just a thought...

[Bondo]

SK, don't you think you should turn 15 before you start drinking and smoking pot?

[AK_Rap1d]

i drink i smoke pot i drink hard liqure(??spelling??)

Looks like you're on all those everytime you post!

Damn 14 year old kids these days... ?Then we wonder why pot is illegal... (SK the perfect example)

Bondo, don't you mean 18?  At 15, your brain isn't fully developed yet.  Maturity is needed before altering your state of mind in my opinion...  

[*DAMN Hazard]

I think thats part of the problem. People acting liking smoking cigarettes and pot is no big deal. I just think a positive attitude on drugs and alcohol makes more teens think about experimenting. I mean yes i plan to get hammered more than once in my life but not as a 15 year old.

[Bondo]

Rapid, I was joking because SK is so young.  I think that the age for alcohol should be 16, and for pot and cigarrets at 18.

Then again I had my first real drink at 15 and my one bowl at 17.

[PsYcO aSsAsSiN]

Multiple things I see in this thread:

You cant O.D. on pot because it is too weak...if you get to the point where you need to smoke a lot of drugs a day, you move on to crack and black tar heroin.

Pot is worse that cigs are because pot messes with your memory and your motor skills...that is why you dont see athletes smoke a roach before a game (after is another story).

If you want to leagalize drugs, you have to pay the consequences...and as tempting as it may be, cow, they wont kill themselves immediately, but they might end up killing or harming other people in the process.