Minor Technicalities

[Daywanderer]

I'm not very into message boards and the like, but I couldn't sit by idly and let an issue like this pass

-The HK32 uses 7.62x39mm cartridges, not 7.62x51mm NATO as in the mod. Imagine the weight of a thirty-round magazine with the latter ammunition.
-The G3A3 and G3kA4 have thirty rounds in the magazine. This is wrong, it should only have twenty rounds (again, I refer to the weight of thirty rounds).
-I'm not sure about this last point, I don't know a lot about Black Talon rounds, but are they really 5.56x43mm?
-Doesn't bother me at all, just thought I'd mention that it is a bit funny that the USP .40 with an extended magazine sounds different than the one with the standard magazine..

Otherwise, great work you guys. Keep it up

Daywanderer
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[Cobra6]

You are absolutely correct about the HK32. I started out making it 7.62x39 (look at the weapon file), but I got sidetracked because I had deleted that ammo from the GFCM. I never got around to changing it. You are also right about the G3's (oops)
As far as the Black Talon here is a quote from a ballistic magazine
"Finally, Winchester also produced and manufactured a line of centerfire rifle ammunition under the Black Talon name, which has since been renamed Fail-Safe. The Black Talon rifle bullet was completely different from the handgun bullet design. It did not expand to deploy talon-like claws. Instead, it had a solid copper nose (similar to a Barnes X-Bullet), with a lead core base encapsulated in a steel liner to prevent jacket rupture upon impact. This bullet had a baked on coating of molybdenum disulfide, which gave it a distinctive black colored appearance also.

[Ghost]

The USP .40 with extended mag had a barrel attachment to balance out the weight, and changes the sound of the gun.

The HK32 does fire 7.62x39mm, but many were modified to chamber both x39 and x51 ammunition. I have even seen .223 variants. Don't ask me why.

There is not really a significant weight difference with a 30 round .308 clip versus a 20 round one. Maybe 1 pound difference.

As for the Black Talon.... 5.56x43mm ammunition is not the NATO standard SS109 5.56x45mm (.223 Cal) but .222 cal, a semi-popular varmint hunting round... The rounds are noticeably different, and cannot be interchanged.



Ghost

[Cocobolo]

Weelllll,
Like I said before I'm no encyclopedia of gun knowledge so you're probably right about the HK32 ammo... But regardless you have to admit that thing is a jackhammer.
I'm not sure if a 30 round mag existed for the G3a3 or G3ka4 but it's probable that some were made, if so it's ok for the mod. The weps are not ncessarily all factory issue as you can see;)

As for the 30 round USP, I confess I pushed for that weapon and the sound is my favorite pistol sound, I specifically wanted! Sorry but I had to have that sound!! I often equip my whole squad with only the 30 round USP and watch them go to work! Cobra usually protests when I start to go on the fringe but this time I guess he let me have my way (Cobra does the weps, I do the models/uni's/operatives)

Thanx for the close attention

[Cobra6]

.223 Rem VS 5.56mm
There are a lot of questions about these two cartridges. Many people think they are identical ?V merely different designations for commercial and military. The truth is that, although somewhat similar, they are not the same and you should know the differences before buying either cartridge.

?h The cartridge casings for both calibers have basically the same length and exterior dimensions. ?h The 5.56 round, loaded to Military Specification, typically has higher velocity and chamber pressure than the .223 Rem. ?h The 5.56 cartridge case may have thicker walls, and a thicker head, for extra strength. This better contains the higher chamber pressure. However, a thicker case reduces powder capacity, which is of concern to the reloader. ?h The 5.56mm and .223 Rem chambers are nearly identical. The difference is in the ??Leade??. Leade is defined as the portion of the barrel directly in front of the chamber where the rifling has been conically removed to allow room for the seated bullet. It is also more commonly known as the throat. Leade in a .223 Rem chamber is usually .085??. In a 5.56mm chamber the leade is typically .162??, or almost twice as much as in the 223 Rem chamber. ?h You can fire .223 Rem cartridges in 5.56mm chambers with this longer leade, but you will generally have a slight loss in accuracy and velocity over firing the .223 round in the chamber with the shorter leade it was designed for. ?h Problems may occur when firing the higher-pressure 5.56mm cartridge in a .223 chamber with its much shorter leade. It is generally known that shortening the leade can dramatically increase chamber pressure. In some cases, this higher pressure could result in primer pocket gas leaks, blown cartridge case heads and gun functioning issues. ?h The 5.56mm military cartridge fired in a .223 Rem chamber is considered by SAAMI (Small Arm and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute) to be an unsafe ammunition combination.

Before buying either of these two types of ammunition, always check your gun to find what caliber it is chambered for, then buy the appropriate ammunition. Most 5.56mm rounds made have full metal jacket bullets. Performance bullets ?V soft points, hollow points, Ballistic Silvertips, etc. ?V are loaded in .223 Rem cartridges. Firing a .223 Rem cartridge in a 5.56mm-chambered gun is safe and merely gives you slightly reduced velocity and accuracy. However we do not recommend, nor does SAAMI recommend, firing a 5.56mm cartridge in a gun chambered for the .223 Rem as the shorter leade can cause pressure-related problems.

[Cocobolo]

WHEW!  

[Daywanderer]

Yeh, I see your point Cocobolo, I've got a thing for both the USP series and extended magazines myself (though I prefer the latter combined with Glock 18s ). Ghost; what sort of a barrell attachment would that be? Many assault rifles of the same calibre sound the same, reguardless of barrel lenght and shape (though you can't really compare sidearms and rifles, can ya?).

AFAIK, the only magazines available for the G3 series is five- and twenty-round ones. My knowledge is a bit outdated I reckon, so I don't dismiss the chance of there being a thirty-round magazine, either made by HK or by home-made customization.

Once again; great mod. For the record, I noticed briefly in another thread (while doing a quick check to see if this had been brought up before) that some people had certain difficulties with the G11. This might've been the Mac version or something completely different, but still, I thought I'd just mention that the G11 worked wonders on Sibera I The Silver Tip rounds seem to have some penetration issues though, or perhaps the Russian coats have just grown stronger lately. I was, after all, playing on a modded map, who knows what could have been done to those poor tangos..

[Rocky]

I'm not very into message boards and the like, but I couldn't sit by idly and let an issue like this pass

Fuss Pot

[Cobra6]

;)O don't know what the deal is with the G11. It worked fine when I made it then for whatever reason something went wrong with the ammo. I got it to work, but sometimes it does not work...got me
As for the 30 round mags for the G3..thats my bag, I should have caught that, but in my defense that is the standard round count for the UO Editor, so it may have just gotten screwed up along the line somewhere. I think I originally made them 20 round mags..Oh well

[Daywanderer]

Heheh, it happens. Don't get me wrong, it's not like I mind having ten extra rounds of 7.62

[Cobra6]

30 rounds in the G3 is not a bad thing...you are absolutely right!!!

[Ghost]

The only weapons designed to fire .223 that are not military are hunting rifles, or sniper rifles, and nobody wants to use 5.56mm ammo in them anyway, because the military sticks the soldiers with crappy ammo. Your quote was only partially correct though - the SS109 high-velocity cartridge is one of 2 different .223 rounds fielded by the military, they also use UMC-made .223.
PLUS, just because I hate being wrong, I called Remington and they said that military 5.56 could be fired from Remington products without loss of accuracy or damage to the gun due to the round; however, 5.56mm military ammo is inherently inaccurate, so they didn't know why I would want to use it, other than price.

Hey, I've seen 65 round mags for a Ruger K-Mini 14, 45 round mags for the Beretta 92, 100 round Uzi clips, etc etc. It all depends on how hot you want the gun barrel to be.

Ghost

PS. Coco how are those uni's coming?  

[Cobra6]

Is the AR15 chambered for 5.56 or 223? A friend of mine shot his AR with some 5.56 ball and one of the rounds did not get ejected and when the bolt went forward the case that did not eject got stuck under the charging handle. Don't know if it was because of the ammo or just a malfunction. As far as accuracy with the 5.56 round. Sure there is a difference, but I can shoot a half target at 300 meters no problem, so the accuracy aint that bad. Would I trust it for competition shootng...no, but would I plink with 223 remington...no. Nothing wrong with 5.56 for combat situations, besides before the M16A2 everything was spray and pray.

[Ghost]

AR-15 is civilian and therefore .223. The max effective range of the 5.56 is 500 meters, civilian is 700. I can make head shots at 500, chest beyond that (with civilian rounds). I prefer the .308 or 7mm Mag because of the .223's susceptibility (hope i spelled that right) to wind. Indoors or out to 100 meters wind is not a problem.  

The .30-06 is 7.62x63mm. It proved very effective for snipers during Vietnam, but I dislike the kick and relative slowness of the round, but in capable hands it is lethal to 1500 yards.

I had a M4 jam on me once, on full auto the last round didn't seat properly and destroyed:
1. the bullet
2. the bolt
3. the entire lower reciever

which put me out of commission for a while. I also had to replace the barrel, my friends and I fired over 1000 rounds thru it in 90 minutes.

Ghost

[Adam]

Here is a link http://home.sprynet.com/~frfrog/miscelld.htm to a page that will explain the differences between the two rounds, which is not that much. My new Colt AR15 is stamped .223 on the lower reciever, and stamped 5.56 on the barrel, both have fired perfectly many times. I have a quick question while I'm here, how can edit or make my own reticlues? Where are the tga file they refrence to?

[Adam]

Never mind, just figured it out. Thanks anyway.

[Cocobolo]

HEY ghost send me that info for the uni's again, it has changed too many times for me to rmemeber , and my mail crashed a while back so all my old messages are gone...

[Ghost]

np, ill get it off asap.

adam, the reason your barrel is stamped 5.56 and reciever is .223 is that Colt had a large order of M4's that was canceled, so they use the upper recievers for civilian use and put them on civilian semi auto lower recievers. If I am correct about this, your barrel will have a grenade launcher attachment (area about 3 inches past grip, spot where the barrel is noticeably thinner, about 1 inch long) .

Ghost

[Adam]

My rifle is an Match Target 6700, witch is a 20" heavy barrel flat top upper. There is no grenade mounting spot on it. Thanks anyway, the mistery continues??

P.S. Great mods, the game is twice what it originally was. Are you planning on any other non-HK weapon mods, not that I have a problem with HK?

[Cobra6]

Look for the "Official SWAT MOD" in a couple of weeks. More realism, probably not a real multiplayer mod, but it is great for single player.